Speculations I think the "final order" of antagonists is reasonable to consider when you think about Luffy and Zoro's matchups together
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Kizaru never overwhelmed Rayleigh, the only one hurt was Kizaru and he was outmatched in speed by an old man who didn't fight in years, also the plot saved his ass by making Rayleigh not use ACoC.
That VC shit about needing super CoO to follow Kizaru is a joke, the manga debunks it multiple times, even Luffy base just coming out of post ts called slow light speed attacks.
The reality is that Rayleigh himself indirectly states that he would take on Kizaru + marines with a few years less.
And before you use the fallacy that he got "tired" I remind you that following that logic Zoro without having 30 broken bones would be>Kaido hybrid 100%.
Simply put, Luffy doesn't stand a chance against Shanks unless Oda gives him a divine regeneration or conveniently nerfs Shanks.
That VC shit about needing super CoO to follow Kizaru is a joke, the manga debunks it multiple times, even Luffy base just coming out of post ts called slow light speed attacks.
The reality is that Rayleigh himself indirectly states that he would take on Kizaru + marines with a few years less.
And before you use the fallacy that he got "tired" I remind you that following that logic Zoro without having 30 broken bones would be>Kaido hybrid 100%.
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Simply put, Luffy doesn't stand a chance against Shanks unless Oda gives him a divine regeneration or conveniently nerfs Shanks.
That's one of the points why I think it is in everybodys face: the only way for Kidd to conclude his chase of the One Piece is to be fairly beaten by Luffy, in a place that is the direct gate to the One Piece (Lodestar, right before Laugh Tale).
Lot of users thought a realistic way would have been for Kidd to become an official ally of Luffy in Wano, by joining the Grand Fleet or something like that. They were proven wrong, of course, which leaves the 1v1 as the only possible way to close that chapter.
Now that we are talking about it, what are the fights you can see Kidd, Law and even Killer be engaged in AFTER Laugh Tale? For example in Mary Geoise... I mean, there's no way they'll just sit in the corner.
A guess of mine sees Kidd fighting Kong and Law fighting Sengoku, for example. Or Law fighting Issho... or assisting against Imu.
There are a lot of possibilities for Law.
Can't really tell for Killer, but Lucci seems like a good posibility at the moment.
Best Assassin on the Pirate side vs Best Assassin on the Governament side (?)
What do you think?
Lot of users thought a realistic way would have been for Kidd to become an official ally of Luffy in Wano, by joining the Grand Fleet or something like that. They were proven wrong, of course, which leaves the 1v1 as the only possible way to close that chapter.
Now that we are talking about it, what are the fights you can see Kidd, Law and even Killer be engaged in AFTER Laugh Tale? For example in Mary Geoise... I mean, there's no way they'll just sit in the corner.
A guess of mine sees Kidd fighting Kong and Law fighting Sengoku, for example. Or Law fighting Issho... or assisting against Imu.
There are a lot of possibilities for Law.
Can't really tell for Killer, but Lucci seems like a good posibility at the moment.
Best Assassin on the Pirate side vs Best Assassin on the Governament side (?)
What do you think?
Kizaru gave him a free shot and all he could do is give him a slight cheek injury.
When he actually fought, Rayleigh was on the backfoot and huffing even tho he has great stamina by swimming through Grand Line
Are these lasers being fired from a light man? We'll see about it this arc anyway
Rayleigh said he'd try help them escape, meaning buy them a couple minutes. At old age he can't even try. Anyway at prime:
-Would he succeed? Undetermined
-Would he come out alive/ unscathed? Definitely not lol
When he actually fought, Rayleigh was on the backfoot and huffing even tho he has great stamina by swimming through Grand Line
Are these lasers being fired from a light man? We'll see about it this arc anyway
Rayleigh said he'd try help them escape, meaning buy them a couple minutes. At old age he can't even try. Anyway at prime:
-Would he succeed? Undetermined
-Would he come out alive/ unscathed? Definitely not lol
Totally. Yes, i think once a concession is made (via a probable fight), it makes most sense for all Supernova to side with Luffy in the end. People like Hawkins and Apoo seem out of the running, and Drake, Bonney and Bege all seem to have unrelated goals now. That ultimately just leaves Kid and Law (and Urouge but its likely he has some Sky/Moon/Elbaf lore coming and then its resolved), as highlighted.
I can definitely see them even fighting some Gorosei if they are powerful, but Kong/Garp/Sengoku are definitelt not bad picks depending on their roles in the war as well.
I can definitely see them even fighting some Gorosei if they are powerful, but Kong/Garp/Sengoku are definitelt not bad picks depending on their roles in the war as well.
It is not debatable, Akainu>BB, BB>Luffy, Shanks>all.
They keep pretending that luffy could with a 100% Kaido
They keep pretending that luffy could with a 100% Kaido
Luffy even if he would lose to 100% Kaido, he’s still in the same tier as him. As he was able to make Kaido use his full power and even was able to overpower him.
I'm talking about your assuming chugging is a feat of being winning, following your reasoning Zoro pre ACoC could beat Kaido 100%.
You can read Kizaru vs Rayleigh, it's not hard to use Google.
They are not debatable, Akainu stronger than BB post ts, Luffy weaker than both.
What's so awesome about him using all his power when he fought half an alliance?
You can read Kizaru vs Rayleigh, it's not hard to use Google.
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They are not debatable, Akainu stronger than BB post ts, Luffy weaker than both.
What's so awesome about him using all his power when he fought half an alliance?