Powers & Abilities Can king of hell mode be done without Enma

[ConquistadoR]

Did you understand that CoA haki especifically was never mentioned in relation to enma? Enma is about ryuo and ryuo can be done by CoA or CoC., i don't get that insistence on saiyng that enma is about CoA haki, since the sword drag CoA AND CoC.

Not a single instance of the Sword dragging CoC lmao.
Oden wielded the sword perfectly fine with just CoA for years until he met Roger & Whitebeard, he saw CoC being weaponized for the first time in their clash.

Zoro needed to go all and let the sword drag his haki at will in order to finally unleash even CoC haki, which was the entire purpose of the chapter 1033, he even had some hint of that when he went all out against Kaido and used CoC.

He needed to go all out with CoA to keep Enma under control.
CoC has nothing to do with it, he just learnt to do it as well at that time.

If KOH is simply zoro going all out, then he needs KOH (enma) to use CoC.

The name or if it is a mode or not doesn't matter at all.

You can keep denying it however you want lol.
Oda drew a panel of him using CoC which has no relation to Enma.
You think the "name" or "mode" doesn't matter at all, Oda clearly doesn't.
Since he purposefully distinguished the Bird Dance scene from the other two attacks.

You can keep coping if it suits you, what Oda drew on panel is very clear.
I'm done discussing this with folks who just keep going in circles and deny what's on panel.

 

[Mackiss]

Why did it never pull odens coc out in 20 years ?

Why didn't it pull zoros coc out in 955 when it took his haki ?
Or any time on the roof ?
Or when it hampered him vs King? Why didn't it ever take coc out then ?

We don't know if enma's magical abilities comes before of after oden.

Because zoro restricted the sword, he needs to let the sword took at all

On the roof he unleashes coc against Kaido when he goes all out, or do you still think that was not coc?

Against King is where that was cemented.

 

[HA001]

We don't know if enma's magical abilities comes before of after oden.

Because zoro restricted the sword, he needs to let the sword took at all

On the roof he unleashes coc against Kaido when he goes all out, or do you still think that was not coc?

Against King is where that was cemented.

If coc doesn't come out when enma pulls zoros haki

But only when ZORO releases all HIS haki


Then enma is irrelevant

You've just bodied yourself

 

[Aknolagon]

It's like asking if everyone can use Ashura ? Lol!

It's a mode used by Zoro only. KoH same.
We didn't see Oden in KOH mode even with enma.

First of all 99% will die when they just wield Enma.
After that you need to understand how to use it efficiently. Only Oden and Zoro did it.
But infusing with CoC Haki in three swords, it's only Zoro so only him can do that.

And to answer to your thread question, yes Zoro can even if he had shuusui. Because Zoro's adv.coc doesn't depend on the swords but his skills.

 

[Mackiss]

Not a single instance of the Sword dragging CoC lmao.
Oden wielded the sword perfectly fine with just CoA for years until he met Roger & Whitebeard, he saw CoC being weaponized for the first time in their clash.

No one in wano known about haki types that time, Oden could pretty have used CoC unconsciously.

He needed to go all out with CoA to keep Enma under control.
CoC has nothing to do with it, he just learnt to do it as well at that time.

headcanon, we simply can't argue about this, CoA was never mentioned.

"He just learnt to do" bruh..

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If coc doesn't come out when enma pulls zoros haki

But only when ZORO releases all HIS haki


Then enma is irrelevant

You've just bodied yourself

reread

i said he needs to let the sword drag at will

 

[HA001]

No one in wano known about haki types that time, Oden could pretty have used CoC unconsciously.



headcanon, we simply can't argue about this, CoA was never mentioned.

"He just learnt to do" bruh..

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reread

i said he needs to let the sword drag at will

No one in wano calls coc ryou either

The scabbards called it odens trick
Hyou didn't call luffys coc ryou either

 

[ConquistadoR]

No one in wano known about haki types that time, Oden could pretty have used CoC unconsciously.

Then why was he surprised that Roger & Whitebeard were not touching lmfao?
Does this seem like the face of a person who can use the same technique?

Nonsensical argument.

headcanon, we simply can't argue about this, CoA was never mentioned.

The only headcanon here is you coping about Oden magically using CoC when he's literally stunned seeing it lmao.
And guess what? He used Enma without a single problem back at that time.

"He just learnt to do" bruh..

Just like how Luffy learnt to do in 1010.
Both Luffy & Zoro had the building blocks (CoC & ability to flow Haki).
They just needed to learn that CoC can also be flown like CoA.
And getting attacked by Kaidou on the Rooftop did the job.

 

[Mackiss]

Then why was he surprised that Roger & Whitebeard were not touching lmfao?
Does this seem like the face of a person who can use the same technique?

Against who Oden would have a coc clash that time for testing?

the no touch technique alone can be done even using CoA.

The only headcanon here is you coping about Oden magically using CoC when he's literally stunned seeing it lmao.
And guess what? He used Enma without a single problem back at that time.

Zoro will be able as well when he gets stronger

Just like how Luffy learnt to do in 1010.
Both Luffy & Zoro had the building blocks (CoC & ability to flow Haki).
They just needed to learn that CoC can also be flown like CoA.
And getting attacked by Kaidou on the Rooftop did the job.

Contrary to zoro, luffy already known how to use CoC and ryuo, Zoro had no clue.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Against who Oden would have a coc clash that time for testing?

the no touch technique alone can be done even using CoA.

During the time of the clash, Oden was already on Whitebeard's ship for many years.
He met Hiyori on the ship & Momonosuke was already born by the time he met Roger.

Besides, Oden after being attacked by Roger with CoC was literally running towards Roger & asking him what that was lmao.

Spoiler

It takes insane amounts of disingenuousness and ignoring the manga to think that Oden already knew CoC coating back then... all to downplay Zoro.
Then again, continue the mental gymnastics... this is making for a nice round of entertainment as you're embarassing yourself.

Zoro will be able as well when he gets stronger

Doesn't change the fact that Oden wielded Enma with zero problems before he even knew what CoC was.

Contrary to zoro, luffy already known how to use CoC and ryuo, Zoro had no clue.

Zoro already knew what Ryuo was ever since the Timeskip started.
CoC was the only new thing to him.

 

[[No Name]]

Can Zoro use adv. Coc without Enma? Yes.


Can Zoro use King of Hell aka Enma Mode without Enma? No.

I think Zoro will have different modes based on his swords.

This answer should saddisfy Zoro fans enough.

 

[BOCCHI]

How is that a power up when it was never stated like that?

So Zoro saying “ by the time I’m used to it, it means I’ve gotten that much stronger”
Is not a statement from Zoro in the manga that prove Enma as a PU?

Zoro saying he needs to “unleash more of Enma “ is not a statement of Enma providing power to Zoro?

Big mom saying “Enma is not ordinary sword and Kaido gotta be careful” is not a statement of Enma’s power?

Zoro giving himself a title of King of hell thats related to the meaning of the word Enma which literally translate to King of hell?

if these manga facts that anyone can find in the manga can’t convince you then nothing willl actually be enough for you.

 

[Herrera95]

So Zoro saying “ by the time I’m used to it, it means I’ve gotten that much stronger”
Is not a statement from Zoro in the manga that prove Enma as a PU?

Zoro saying he needs to “unleash more of Enma “ is not a statement of Enma providing power to Zoro?

Big mom saying “Enma is not ordinary sword and Kaido gotta be careful” is not a statement of Enma’s power?

Zoro giving himself a title of King of hell thats related to the meaning of the word Enma which literally translate to King of hell?

if these manga facts that anyone can find in the manga can’t convince you then nothing willl actually be enough for you.

Zoro is not saying it he is asking it.

BM felt that when Zoro was carrying Enma. Why Kaido never felt that when Oden was using it?

Zoro has a Demon related theme since Asura. King of Hell is part of his theme.

None of these indicates Enma as a power up. But we have indications of being a nerf when Zoro arm gets shrinked after a normal swing with it. When Zoro states that he has to release more power the first time he strikes with Enma. When Zoro is already tired after fighting only fodder Gifters. When Zoro says that if he fights too much with Enma he will may end up dead. All those are nerfs that he never had with Shusui or other swords.

 

[BOCCHI]

Zoro is not saying it he is asking it.

BM felt that when Zoro was carrying Enma. Why Kaido never felt that when Oden was using it?

Zoro has a Demon related theme since Asura. King of Hell is part of his theme.

None of these indicates Enma as a power up. But we have indications of being a nerf when Zoro arm gets shrinked after a normal swing with it. When Zoro states that he has to release more power the first time he strikes with Enma. When Zoro is already tired after fighting only fodder Gifters. When Zoro says that if he fights too much with Enma he will may end up dead. All those are nerfs that he never had with Shusui or other swords.

Nothing will satisfy you. I’m done with this discussion.

 

[Herrera95]

Nothing will satisfy you. I’m done with this discussion.

Your headcannon will only satisfying yourself.

 

[BOCCHI]

Your headcannon will only satisfying yourself.

My head canon exist in the actual manga. Zoro not being able to control Enma is on him. He needs to grow stronger to keep up with the sword. Refusing manga facts to suit your agenda is your only way of living I guess.

 

[Herrera95]

My head canon exist in the actual manga. Zoro not being able to control Enma is on him. He needs to grow stronger to keep up with the sword. Refusing manga facts to suit your agenda is your only way of living I guess.

Zoro not being able to control Enma is a Enma only thing. He never struggled with other swords besides Enma. He only felt Shusui heavier but quickly states that his attacks becomes stronger with it. That statement never came with Enma.

Zoro never have problem using haki so Enma can't even be called a trainning tool. Is the first and currently only sword that have those magic nerfs.

 

[Sentry22]

My head canon exist in the actual manga. Zoro not being able to control Enma is on him. He needs to grow stronger to keep up with the sword. Refusing manga facts to suit your agenda is your only way of living I guess.

Your talking to the same group that vehemently denied Enma being a magical sword and a buff for the longest time. Some still do to this day.

 

[HA001]

Your talking to the same group that vehemently denied Enma being a magical sword and a buff for the longest time. Some still do to this day.

How you still talking after you have been embarrassed on this thread.


Enma to this day has 0 power that it adds of its own to zoro.

Every single speck of haki is from zoro.

 

[Rukusho]

Your talking to the same group that vehemently denied Enma being a magical sword and a buff for the longest time. Some still do to this day.

I'm so tired of this... provide panels or evidence backing up this claim.

Not once has Enma been a buff and I'll ask you the same question I ask everyone who says it's a buff why does Kinemon not want to use it?

The Sword was literally sitting in a carrying case.

 

[CbShadow]

Can Zoro use adv. Coc without Enma? Yes.


Can Zoro use King of Hell aka Enma Mode without Enma? No.

I think Zoro will have different modes based on his swords.

This answer should saddisfy Zoro fans enough.

This is wrong. Yes, Zoro can use CoC without enma. Be he can also do the same with KoH.

KoH is just Zoro using overwhelming amounts of CoA haki together with CoC. Enma did not give Zoro the ability to use overwhelming amounts of CoA haki.

Zoro ask himself how he stabilize his haki and realized he should release all of his haki.

Zoro can use KoH with any sword.

Enma doesn't have any effect on any of his other swords. If Zoro needed enma to use KoH he would only be able to use it with enma.

Swords at not DF. They didn't give the user new powers or abilities.