Powers & Abilities Can king of hell mode be done without Enma

[Gol D. Roger]

For what did on rooftop.
Yonkos aknowledged Enma, not Zoro.

The specific part of the post you quoted from @HeroesNZ is this:

Someone show me the panel stating Enma has the ability to transfer its powers to other swords.

What part of your post do you think provided evidence to suggest Enma has the ability to transfer its powers to the other swords? Big Mom directly admits they've underestimated the Rooftopnova as soon as Zoro showed the Flying Dragon Blaze, meaning she directly acknowledged Zoro for the feat. Big Mom also says, "That brat cut Kaido," after Zoro cuts Kaido, once again directly acknowledging him for the feat. So there was no not-acknowledging Zoro, they only recognized Enma as different because it has Oden's presence.

 

[L55]

"Can Nika awakening be done without Nika Nika fruit?"

What logic is this?lmfao
Koh is just haki u compared it with a fruit

 

[BattalGazi]

At-t least...
Shut it, Lanji is by far the biggest fraud in this story. Even DF users are more legit than Mr han D. Outs.

Fraud of what, Zoro was using one of the the best sword of the manga from the beginning what did Sanji have.

 

[Lor D. Coast]

Fraud of what, Zoro was using one of the the best sword of the manga from the beginning what did Sanji have.

Zoro is a martial artist, he uses martial arts to fight, your boy is a science project that was made in a 🧪, has been enhanced since the beginning.
Didn't work a day in his life for a PU. Bigger fraud than BB.

 

[traxex123]

when you are below a threshold all you need is a trigger, the strongests will always be strong with any sword :cheers:

 

[BattalGazi]

Zoro is a martial artist, he uses martial arts to fight, your boy is a science project that was made in a 🧪, has been enhanced since the beginning.
Didn't work a day in his life for a PU. Bigger fraud than BB.

What martial artist, give me a magical sword i would kill all the martial artists in the world. Sanji was already disadvantaged from the beginning and Exoskeleton makes it barely fair since Exoskeleton doesn't have magical powers while Zoros swords have. You guys all know Sanjis genes didn't work all his life because of Soras drug but attacking Sanji regardless.

 

[Lor D. Coast]

What martial artist, give me a magical sword i would kill all the martial artists in the world. Sanji was already disadvantaged from the beginning and Exoskeleton makes it barely fair since Exoskeleton doesn't have magical powers while Zoros swords have. You guys all know Sanjis genes didn't work all his life because of Soras drug but attacking Sanji regardless.

Oda is going to retcon the story just for you, now Lanji has an indestructible frying pan, I'm sure he won't lose to anyone because he's so skilled with it.

 

[Buggy D Clown]

What we know about Enma - Basically a greedy sword that steals CoA.

Agenda boys - Enma is sharing haki with the other swords.

Make it make sense

 

[Herrera95]

It’s a PU that has huge side effects when gone will leave Zoro much stronger than he already gotten. Not all PUs come with no consequences that’s my point.

How is that a power up when it was never stated like that?

 

[Cozy Sofa]

Of course. It's like Ashura. Simply CoC manifested. Enma of course helped to draw out Zoros haki but it is possible to do it even without. Zoro just needs to stop regulating his haki which of course is risky, it means he needs to end the fight fast just like a Rumble ball or Luffys Gears before mastering them.

 

[Buggy D Clown]

Enma of course helped to draw out Zoros haki but it is possible to do it even without.

Enma didn't help draw out haki physically for KoH, it more so made Zoro realize what he needs to do

 

[York]

Without Enma it'd probably have a different name
But yeah it's not like Enma has any stated pecial ability outside of fellating his haki

 

[trav]

Can Luffy even beat Krieg without becoming the vessel for an ancient war god?
Is his willpower related to eating the Nika fruit?

So many questions left unanswered in OP.

 

[Eagle]

 

[Cozy Sofa]

Enma didn't help draw out haki physically for KoH, it more so made Zoro realize what he needs to do

Well.. that's what I wrote, isn't it?

1 Enma forcibly drew out Zoros haki in general and Zoro tried to fight it and regulate his haki.

2 In the end he realized that he can't hold back on this level so he released his haki for "King of Hell". It was always possible without Enma but the only times Zoro had managed something similar (Mr 1, Kaku) was when he knew death would await otherwise. I'd say he did it against Mihawk too in Baratie, that is why he spared Zoro and started to sweat. Difference now is he can consciously tap into it, a calculated risk, instead of doing it unconsciously when near death.

Kind of like Luffy or Chopper knowing monster point and gears are too taxing for their bodies but realizing they can't beat the enemies without taking that risk they have learned to use their new modes without too much of drawbacks.

 

[Mackiss]

It isn't a mode, nothing ever states that.
Zoro used 3 attacks in 1035 and in two of them, Onigiri & Dragon Damnation, you see the smoke cloud around all of his swords and "KoH Santoryu" being termed.
In Bird Dance, you don't see the smoke cloud nor the nomenclature. Just CoC being infused in Sandai alone.

That's 100% not a coincidence lmao, no matter how much you deny it.
There's your proof, how much more are you going to deny?

Your proof is a panel where we can't even see the blade?

How do you explain the time limit said by zoro himself?

 

[ConquistadoR]

Your proof is a panel where we can't even see the blade?

We see Wado clearly and there's no CoC/Ryuo Smoke.
We see Sandai clearly and there's only CoC & no Smoke.
The nomenclature also adds to my point, it's not "King of Hell Ittoryu: Bird Dance" for a reason lol.

How do you explain the time limit said by zoro himself?

Simple, he needs to go all out with CoA [characterized by that Ryuo Smoke] at almost all times else Enma will drag CoA out forcibly and turn his arm into a shrivel mid fight like it did before.
And that's where the timelimit comes from since he can't fight for prolonged durations with all out CoA.

 

[Rivaille]

1/ Enma is not a power up. You can make as many mental gymnastics you want, it is not. Zoro traded a black blade that he fully mastered for a sword that he cannot control => it is a nerf not a power up. Zoro power up this arc was to unlock AdCoC and mixed it with Ryou.

2/ If Oden could wielded Enma like a feather but did not have a green smoke around his blade and if Zoro cannot wield Enma like a feather but has green smoke around his blade = KoH is specific to Zoro or else Oden would have used it too.

3/ KoH is specific to Zoro (it is the first and only character to have shown green Haki smoke) like Asura is specific to Zoro.

I know that hurt some agendas but just accept you lose this one and move on.

 

[Mackiss]

Simple, he needs to go all out with CoA [characterized by that Ryuo Smoke] at almost all times else Enma will drag CoA out forcibly and turn his arm into a shrivel mid fight like it did before.
And that's where the timelimit comes from since he can't fight for prolonged durations with all out CoA.

Did you understand that CoA haki especifically was never mentioned in relation to enma? Enma is about ryuo and ryuo can be done by CoA or CoC., i don't get that insistence on saiyng that enma is about CoA haki, since the sword drag CoA AND CoC.

Zoro needed to go all and let the sword drag his haki at will in order to finally unleash even CoC haki, which was the entire purpose of the chapter 1033, he even had some hint of that when he went all out against Kaido and used CoC.

If KOH is simply zoro going all out, then he needs KOH (enma) to use CoC.

The name or if it is a mode or not doesn't matter at all.

 

[HA001]

Did you understand that CoA haki especifically was never mentioned in relation to enma? Enma is about ryuo and ryuo can be done by CoA or CoC., i don't get that insistence on saiyng that enma is about CoA haki, since the sword drag CoA AND CoC.

Zoro needed to go all and let the sword drag his haki at will in order to finally unleash even CoC haki, which was the entire purpose of the chapter 1033, he even had some hint of that when he went all out against Kaido and used CoC.

If KOH is simply zoro going all out, then he needs KOH (enma) to use CoC.

The name or if it is a mode or not doesn't matter at all.

Why did it never pull odens coc out in 20 years ?

Why didn't it pull zoros coc out in 955 when it took his haki ?
Or any time on the roof ?
Or when it hampered him vs King? Why didn't it ever take coc out then ?