Powers & Abilities Dracule Mihawk : He has been Constantly portrayed as bigger deal than an Emperor
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Two of the most paramount positions a pirate can hold in the World of One Piece, and it is innately fair to call them positions as that's what they are even if not categorically and official defined as "Admiral", are Warlord of the Sea and Emperor of the Sea.
Despite the fact that position of Warlord has been eternally chastised and looked down upon by usual suspects of Yonko Fandom, realities is by their inherent nature, both positions, when evaluated by their stand alone nature, and not enhanced by an additional title, represent mediocrity or as directly mention in canon itself The Silver Medal. And for all the raving about the emperor title, its never ending and certainly unearned wank, the undeniable, categorical reality is that the lowest cut of bounty that qualifies as an Emperor of Sea, at least that of what we know so far, doesn't mean it can't be lower, is 2.25 Billion which is not that far off of a bounty of an average Warlord after his bounty is unfrozen, case in Point Sir Crocodile.
And well that's not even counting the idea of The Fifth Emperor which drags down the criteria even further, and if The Fifth Emperor is essentially considered just a step behind an emperor, whose to say just how much more of a bounty than Fifth Emperor a real emperor actually needs.
And taking a step further from the metric of bounty, we would like to point out that when the meeting of Kaido and Big Mom was presented as an event that is causality of unrest among the Marines, the cry of desperation from Marines painted a very clear picture
"Only people who can stop them are Warlords and Admirals"
I mean its not like Warlords are called One of the Three main powers alongside Emperors
And comically enough both are categorized as "Mere" titles at one point in the manga or another.
So to sum up this part of the essay, the predicate of a Warlord's placement on the sea swarmed by Pirates is just as significant as that of an Emperor or at least very close to that of an emperor is, both are essentially equally impressive or unimpressive depends on where you stand, both are equally significant or insignificant (mere).
But there are exceptions as well, among the Emperors and Warlords, one entity separated from the pact and aforementioned entity happens to hold a title that is not insignificant, that does not represent the mediocrity of previously mentioned "Silver Medal", instead it represents the very apex, the top of the world, bonafide living legend status and that title is that of Strongest in the World.
Edward E Newgate, "The Strongest Man in the World" is an exception among Emperors of The Sea
Dracule Hawk Eye Mihawk "The Strongest Swordsman" in the World is an Exception among Warlords of the Sea
But Mihawk's greatness, his significance, his legend, his combat prowess, his well earned respect, doesn't just stop at being an exception among Warlords of the sea, rather by the virtue of Warlords and Emperors being virtually comparable in significance, also translates to Mihawk's superiority over the average Emperors of the sea. Now what is cause here and what is effect, is very debatable and I myself am not sure what to precisely categorize as what, but Mihawk has been presented consistently as a threat greater than an Emperor, as a legend bigger than an emperor, as an entity more significant than an Emperor. And perhaps that is to support the notion that Warlords of the Sea are just as significant, threatening and legendary as Emperors or perhaps greatness of Warlords helps Mihawk.
Lets explore further and establish why Dracule Mihawk is superior at least on general level a superior entity to Emperoros, barring of course Mihawk's fellow exception Whitebeard, and for some Kaido fanatics here, we can add Kaido as well, as depressingly as he has failed to deliver on that prospect and fundamentally never even given the title, rather just a rumor signifying his exception from the rule.
Battles that Shook the Grand Line : A Duel to Make History
Now ne of the reasons demonstrating Mihawk's well established superiority over Yonko, and perhaps the most overlooked one when it comes to its own significance and due to a notable fallacy, is the fact that Dracule Mihawk's Battle with Red Hair Shanks is the only battle in One Piece that has been treated as a historical event that "Shook the Grand line"
This battle was so remarkable, that Strongest Man in the World himself called it stuff of the Legend and something that still rings clear in his head
Now the fallacy I previously mentioned, many Yonko fans would immediately interject, "Well well I mean look Shanks is there too and he's an emperor" well certainly but you are missing one thing, version of Shanks that fought Mihawk was Prime Shanks with two arms.
Since then, and certainly Yonko Army who has been preaching Yonkou are in constant battles with each other, must agree Shanks has had many battles since he became a Yonko, certainly with other emperors, but none of his other battles are even given remotely the significance and respect his battle with Hawk Eye has. He hasn't displayed, and to Mihawk's disappointment, the ability to have a historical battle with anyone anymore.
And to further support that, Kaido and Big Mom's battle couldn't even become a logical legend in Wano country, hell not even in tiny ass Onigashima.
And well you could say they didn't go all out, well the battle in which Kaido himself was defeated, the battle between Joy Boy Incarnate Luffy where he shoved Kaido's ass down the bed rock of Wano and further into magma, even that isn't considered legendary by anyone.
Closest thing that comes to that is Aokiji vs Akainu, but one we aren't talking about Admirals here and two the main source of notoreity of that battles stems from World altering stakes associated with the battle, it was the battle to determine an individual who would command the largest military faction of the world from up coming years.
This certainly comes close tho and this is obviously a battle between two individuals who just like Mihawk are also greater than the Emperors
Looking Down Upon an Emperor : Red Hair Shanks is One Armed Has Been
This is a good time to talk about the first obvious narrative superiority of Mihawk, not entirely the implied superiority as the previous one but almost a direct in its nature, is Mihawk visiting Shanks in Shanks' own territory in front of his own crew and denying him the right to battle by calling him "One Armed Has Been" while Shanks did nothing to stand up for himself, and unironically neither did any of his crew members
Now Shanks defenders and Yonko army can chalk this up to, Dracule Mihawk just playfully trash talking his former rival but it ain't that simple inn'it? On the contrary, this establishes one of the core, fundamental layers of Dracule Mihawk's character, he sits on the top of the World, alone suffering from success as after Shanks has lost his arm, there is one one left in the World, at least no swordsman strong enough to give Mihawk a real challenging duel.
This notion was asserted in the very early stages of the story, where ever so bored Dracule Mihawk, seeking thrill of the battle for years has finally been excited when he saw exceptional, once in a life time potential in Roronoa Zoro and asked him to become stronger and surpass Mihawk
And then this is further supported in Vivre Card Data Book, and it can't get any more clearer than that
Strongest Swordsman in The World : An Emperor is a Swordsman
No matter how many mental gymnastics are applied, no matter how many Haki Hame Has Shanks shoots out of his ass, at the end of the day he is a swordsman, and Dracule Mihawk is the strongest Swordsman in the World.
All these men are directly categorized by Eiichiro Oda, the author of the story as Swordsmen. No level of intellectual dishonest, disingenuity, conniving lies, crying, bitching, regretting, coping, malding, enduring, seething, denying, misrepresenting or what ever else have you can change that well established fact.
100s of times this topic has been debated, and each 100 of times no logical reason has been established for Shanks exclusion from Dracule Mihawk's World wide reputation as Greatest prospect Swordsmanship has produced since Sword God Ryuma. As a matter of fact, quite the contrary has happened, as mentioned in the last point, Shanks' decline in strength due to loss of an arm has been looked down upon by Mihawk and he has called One Armed Has Been.
Then data book not just said "He is strongest in name and actuality" but directly mentioned Shanks, and said Mihawk is waiting for Swordmaster stronger than Shanks.
And very very recently, the beautiful chapter that butt fucked basically every Mihawk downplayer, especially the one who shall not be named, who so firmly believed "Mihawk is only as strong as Vista" who now apparently believes "Mihawk is slightly stronger than Law and Kidd" (Quite the progression if you ask me judging by who he is) and another one of his fellow goons has just hauled ass and is now bitching and moaning in Narutoforums or what ever the fuck it is...once again not naming anyone here
From getting introduced as "Strongest Swordsman in the World" calling Shanks"The One Armed Has Been" to waiting for someone stronger than Shanks in Data Book to Manga confirming (And Fan Boys some what mistranslating it) as Surpassing Shanks in Swordsmanship, every single development and once again a whole post can be made about this, has suggested that Mihawk is above Shanks and there is no shadow of doubt associated with it.
And Shanks is no bottom feeder of an Emperor, as a matter of fact quite the contrary, he might be strongest of the non exceptional emperors as he has yet to be explored in the story, just like Mihawk. As manga progresses, combat feats inflate, strongest characters generally appear and make their mark after weaker ones, to the dismay of Kaido and Big Mom, well Big Mom is trash no matter when she shows up.
And talk about Kaido, the sheer juxtaposition in the way Mihawk perceives Shanks as essentially an utter disappointment and a one armed Has Been as the cause of Mihawk's eternal boredom and suffer form succes, and the way Kaido perceives Shanks as one of the 5 men capable of fighting equally with him and potentially defeating him.
Really gotta feel for Big Mom, she couldn't even make it to this list, despite fighting Kaido literally days ago...like God damn Oda show bitch at least some respect
The Black Blade and Kozuki Oden : Perhaps even Sword God Ryuma
Just like Shanks, another individual in what some people call "Kaido's Top 5", the 5 silhouette behind Luffy, often a source of very nonsensical and head scratching Luffy wank, and arguably the most significant one as he left the mark on Kaido both mentally and physically, is Kozuki Oden.
But what exactly does Kozuki Oden represent as a Swordsman and he is as pure a swordsman can get, even delusional Shanks crowd can't deny, the Enma Holder Nittoryu Samurai from country of Wano is not some Asshole Haki hame Ha shooter, but rather one that exudes the utmost purity a swordsman can exude, perhaps even more pure than our champion himself Dracule Mihawk.
But Oden in the realm of Swordsmen in One Piece is not so exceptionally significant, as a matter of fact his significance doesn't even approach that of Dracule Mihawk, it really doesn't even come close.
For Starters Oden doesn't even have a supreme Grade Blade, both Enma and Amano Hibakiri (Not sure if the grade of this sword is quite revealed yet tho) are Great Grade Swords
Some One Piece fanatic please tell me what in the blue hell is Yamaorashi?
Secondly, and bare with my I am trying to keep it brief here Oden hasn't made a Black Blade, as a matter of fact a comment was directly made on Oden's lack of adequacy and skill to be able to make a Black Blade
As a matter of fact there is only one man in the history of Wano country to be able to have talent, skill, strength, Haki mastry, greatness to make a Black Blade and that man is worshipped as a God by Oden's friends, Oden's retainers, Oden's daughter, Oden's father and most certainly Oden himself. Sword God Ryuma
Significance of Black Blade Shushui was of such utmost significance to Wano that it is placed in a shrine with Ryuma's corpse and it is so significant, Hiyori was willing to give a sword she received in inheritance from her father.
And above all else, despite Kozuki's Oden's notoriety in Gol D Roger's ship, his general accomplishments as a combatant, as a swordsman, as giving Kaido's scar to be seen by entire World, not once in his life time was Kozuki Oden ever recognized as Strongest Swordsman in the World
But despite Oden's mediocrity as a Swordsmen, he was certainly comparable to an Emperor, certainly strong enough to give Kaido a battle of his life and certainly give him post traumatic stress disorder.
Its almost like Mediocrity, almost there but not quite good enough, goes hand in hand with Emperor and fighters and legends of the class of an Emperor. A Mere Strong Samurai is comparable to a Mere Emperor.
Chapter 1058 : It can't get any clearer than that
A Subordinate having a greater bounty than the Captain.
How exceptional that phenomenon is can not be overstated, it is something unheard of something that has never happened.
Zoro was essentially, and at worst equal to Monkey D Luffy at the time of Whiskey Peak and Zoro's reputation was so great, he was basically perceived as the actual captain by Vivi, his status as a subordinate was often in question at that time
And this is not the first time Zoro's status as a "subordinate" was questioned, same happened in Water 7 as well, Urouge was shocked at the fact that someone like Zoro can be just a first mate.
Yet despite Zoro's exception as a subordinate, being very very close to Luffy or even equal, the idea of Zoro having greater bounty, being perceived as a bigger threat than his own captain was not even humored in One Piece.
Because Captain puts the cap on you, if you are a threat, by extension of whose umbrella you are under, who commands you is bigger threat as he can simply command you to fight for him.
Unless the the gap between perception, the distance between reputations, is so big, you are so much stronger than your captain, that Marines have no choice but to put a greater bounty than you.
And that's what happened to Dracule Hawk Eye Mihawk
And fans of Emperors always make stupid argument so they will make one here as well, and while to anyone with common sense, this shouldn't even need to be described, I will baby sit you guys regardless.
Yeah no shit Mihawk is far stronger than Buggy, we all know that but this bounty isn't the indicative of Mihawk's real strength with Buggy's real strength. This is the gap of perceptions, Buggy's reality and Buggy's perception is very different, Buggy has, through his own bullshit, has established himself as a threat who is just as strong as an emperor of the sea, a threat who can rival, once again Mihawk's inferior Red Hair Shanks.
Just read this God Damn Page if you want proof
And Buggy isn't even perceived as someone who barely makes the cut as an Emperor, he certainly isn't perceived as a Psusedo "5th Emperor", no he is a Full Blown Emperor with Bounty greater than Luffy, his Fellow Emperor.
I mean his bounty is far bigger than Blackbeard at the time he received his first bounty as an Emperor as well.
So Mihawk is perceived as such an insane threat, such a legend, such a significant entity in the history of the World, that it doesn't matter that he calls Buggy his "Captain", World Government still has to acknowledge Mihawk as the biggest threat.
Everything else I said prior to this point, only sets a stage, there is still some wiggle room I'll acknowledge but all that only establishes Mihawk deserves benefit of the doubt, this just puts a concrete cap on it, now its not about benefit of the doubt anymore...its about establishment of the undeniable fact that DRACULES HAWK EYES MIHAWK SHITS ON THE EMPERORS OF THE SEA.
@Fleet Admiral Lee Hung
@sanjikun
@TheAncientCenturion
@pg13
@grey matter
@HA001 OF THE RAIN
@comrade
@Seraphoenix
@MarineHQ
@SakazOuki
@Blackbeard
@Shanal
@Den_Den_Mushi
@ConquistadoR
@Franosuke
@L55
@SkySanji
@Steven
@Gol D. Roger
@Garp the Fist
@LANJI CUCKSMOKE
Despite the fact that position of Warlord has been eternally chastised and looked down upon by usual suspects of Yonko Fandom, realities is by their inherent nature, both positions, when evaluated by their stand alone nature, and not enhanced by an additional title, represent mediocrity or as directly mention in canon itself The Silver Medal. And for all the raving about the emperor title, its never ending and certainly unearned wank, the undeniable, categorical reality is that the lowest cut of bounty that qualifies as an Emperor of Sea, at least that of what we know so far, doesn't mean it can't be lower, is 2.25 Billion which is not that far off of a bounty of an average Warlord after his bounty is unfrozen, case in Point Sir Crocodile.
And well that's not even counting the idea of The Fifth Emperor which drags down the criteria even further, and if The Fifth Emperor is essentially considered just a step behind an emperor, whose to say just how much more of a bounty than Fifth Emperor a real emperor actually needs.
And taking a step further from the metric of bounty, we would like to point out that when the meeting of Kaido and Big Mom was presented as an event that is causality of unrest among the Marines, the cry of desperation from Marines painted a very clear picture
"Only people who can stop them are Warlords and Admirals"
I mean its not like Warlords are called One of the Three main powers alongside Emperors
And comically enough both are categorized as "Mere" titles at one point in the manga or another.
So to sum up this part of the essay, the predicate of a Warlord's placement on the sea swarmed by Pirates is just as significant as that of an Emperor or at least very close to that of an emperor is, both are essentially equally impressive or unimpressive depends on where you stand, both are equally significant or insignificant (mere).
But there are exceptions as well, among the Emperors and Warlords, one entity separated from the pact and aforementioned entity happens to hold a title that is not insignificant, that does not represent the mediocrity of previously mentioned "Silver Medal", instead it represents the very apex, the top of the world, bonafide living legend status and that title is that of Strongest in the World.
Edward E Newgate, "The Strongest Man in the World" is an exception among Emperors of The Sea
Dracule Hawk Eye Mihawk "The Strongest Swordsman" in the World is an Exception among Warlords of the Sea
But Mihawk's greatness, his significance, his legend, his combat prowess, his well earned respect, doesn't just stop at being an exception among Warlords of the sea, rather by the virtue of Warlords and Emperors being virtually comparable in significance, also translates to Mihawk's superiority over the average Emperors of the sea. Now what is cause here and what is effect, is very debatable and I myself am not sure what to precisely categorize as what, but Mihawk has been presented consistently as a threat greater than an Emperor, as a legend bigger than an emperor, as an entity more significant than an Emperor. And perhaps that is to support the notion that Warlords of the Sea are just as significant, threatening and legendary as Emperors or perhaps greatness of Warlords helps Mihawk.
Lets explore further and establish why Dracule Mihawk is superior at least on general level a superior entity to Emperoros, barring of course Mihawk's fellow exception Whitebeard, and for some Kaido fanatics here, we can add Kaido as well, as depressingly as he has failed to deliver on that prospect and fundamentally never even given the title, rather just a rumor signifying his exception from the rule.
Battles that Shook the Grand Line : A Duel to Make History
Now ne of the reasons demonstrating Mihawk's well established superiority over Yonko, and perhaps the most overlooked one when it comes to its own significance and due to a notable fallacy, is the fact that Dracule Mihawk's Battle with Red Hair Shanks is the only battle in One Piece that has been treated as a historical event that "Shook the Grand line"
This battle was so remarkable, that Strongest Man in the World himself called it stuff of the Legend and something that still rings clear in his head
Now the fallacy I previously mentioned, many Yonko fans would immediately interject, "Well well I mean look Shanks is there too and he's an emperor" well certainly but you are missing one thing, version of Shanks that fought Mihawk was Prime Shanks with two arms.
Since then, and certainly Yonko Army who has been preaching Yonkou are in constant battles with each other, must agree Shanks has had many battles since he became a Yonko, certainly with other emperors, but none of his other battles are even given remotely the significance and respect his battle with Hawk Eye has. He hasn't displayed, and to Mihawk's disappointment, the ability to have a historical battle with anyone anymore.
And to further support that, Kaido and Big Mom's battle couldn't even become a logical legend in Wano country, hell not even in tiny ass Onigashima.
And well you could say they didn't go all out, well the battle in which Kaido himself was defeated, the battle between Joy Boy Incarnate Luffy where he shoved Kaido's ass down the bed rock of Wano and further into magma, even that isn't considered legendary by anyone.
Closest thing that comes to that is Aokiji vs Akainu, but one we aren't talking about Admirals here and two the main source of notoreity of that battles stems from World altering stakes associated with the battle, it was the battle to determine an individual who would command the largest military faction of the world from up coming years.
This certainly comes close tho and this is obviously a battle between two individuals who just like Mihawk are also greater than the Emperors
Looking Down Upon an Emperor : Red Hair Shanks is One Armed Has Been
This is a good time to talk about the first obvious narrative superiority of Mihawk, not entirely the implied superiority as the previous one but almost a direct in its nature, is Mihawk visiting Shanks in Shanks' own territory in front of his own crew and denying him the right to battle by calling him "One Armed Has Been" while Shanks did nothing to stand up for himself, and unironically neither did any of his crew members
Now Shanks defenders and Yonko army can chalk this up to, Dracule Mihawk just playfully trash talking his former rival but it ain't that simple inn'it? On the contrary, this establishes one of the core, fundamental layers of Dracule Mihawk's character, he sits on the top of the World, alone suffering from success as after Shanks has lost his arm, there is one one left in the World, at least no swordsman strong enough to give Mihawk a real challenging duel.
This notion was asserted in the very early stages of the story, where ever so bored Dracule Mihawk, seeking thrill of the battle for years has finally been excited when he saw exceptional, once in a life time potential in Roronoa Zoro and asked him to become stronger and surpass Mihawk
And then this is further supported in Vivre Card Data Book, and it can't get any more clearer than that
Strongest Swordsman in The World : An Emperor is a Swordsman
No matter how many mental gymnastics are applied, no matter how many Haki Hame Has Shanks shoots out of his ass, at the end of the day he is a swordsman, and Dracule Mihawk is the strongest Swordsman in the World.
All these men are directly categorized by Eiichiro Oda, the author of the story as Swordsmen. No level of intellectual dishonest, disingenuity, conniving lies, crying, bitching, regretting, coping, malding, enduring, seething, denying, misrepresenting or what ever else have you can change that well established fact.
100s of times this topic has been debated, and each 100 of times no logical reason has been established for Shanks exclusion from Dracule Mihawk's World wide reputation as Greatest prospect Swordsmanship has produced since Sword God Ryuma. As a matter of fact, quite the contrary has happened, as mentioned in the last point, Shanks' decline in strength due to loss of an arm has been looked down upon by Mihawk and he has called One Armed Has Been.
Then data book not just said "He is strongest in name and actuality" but directly mentioned Shanks, and said Mihawk is waiting for Swordmaster stronger than Shanks.
And very very recently, the beautiful chapter that butt fucked basically every Mihawk downplayer, especially the one who shall not be named, who so firmly believed "Mihawk is only as strong as Vista" who now apparently believes "Mihawk is slightly stronger than Law and Kidd" (Quite the progression if you ask me judging by who he is) and another one of his fellow goons has just hauled ass and is now bitching and moaning in Narutoforums or what ever the fuck it is...once again not naming anyone here
From getting introduced as "Strongest Swordsman in the World" calling Shanks"The One Armed Has Been" to waiting for someone stronger than Shanks in Data Book to Manga confirming (And Fan Boys some what mistranslating it) as Surpassing Shanks in Swordsmanship, every single development and once again a whole post can be made about this, has suggested that Mihawk is above Shanks and there is no shadow of doubt associated with it.
And Shanks is no bottom feeder of an Emperor, as a matter of fact quite the contrary, he might be strongest of the non exceptional emperors as he has yet to be explored in the story, just like Mihawk. As manga progresses, combat feats inflate, strongest characters generally appear and make their mark after weaker ones, to the dismay of Kaido and Big Mom, well Big Mom is trash no matter when she shows up.
And talk about Kaido, the sheer juxtaposition in the way Mihawk perceives Shanks as essentially an utter disappointment and a one armed Has Been as the cause of Mihawk's eternal boredom and suffer form succes, and the way Kaido perceives Shanks as one of the 5 men capable of fighting equally with him and potentially defeating him.
Really gotta feel for Big Mom, she couldn't even make it to this list, despite fighting Kaido literally days ago...like God damn Oda show bitch at least some respect
The Black Blade and Kozuki Oden : Perhaps even Sword God Ryuma
Just like Shanks, another individual in what some people call "Kaido's Top 5", the 5 silhouette behind Luffy, often a source of very nonsensical and head scratching Luffy wank, and arguably the most significant one as he left the mark on Kaido both mentally and physically, is Kozuki Oden.
But what exactly does Kozuki Oden represent as a Swordsman and he is as pure a swordsman can get, even delusional Shanks crowd can't deny, the Enma Holder Nittoryu Samurai from country of Wano is not some Asshole Haki hame Ha shooter, but rather one that exudes the utmost purity a swordsman can exude, perhaps even more pure than our champion himself Dracule Mihawk.
But Oden in the realm of Swordsmen in One Piece is not so exceptionally significant, as a matter of fact his significance doesn't even approach that of Dracule Mihawk, it really doesn't even come close.
For Starters Oden doesn't even have a supreme Grade Blade, both Enma and Amano Hibakiri (Not sure if the grade of this sword is quite revealed yet tho) are Great Grade Swords
Some One Piece fanatic please tell me what in the blue hell is Yamaorashi?
Secondly, and bare with my I am trying to keep it brief here Oden hasn't made a Black Blade, as a matter of fact a comment was directly made on Oden's lack of adequacy and skill to be able to make a Black Blade
As a matter of fact there is only one man in the history of Wano country to be able to have talent, skill, strength, Haki mastry, greatness to make a Black Blade and that man is worshipped as a God by Oden's friends, Oden's retainers, Oden's daughter, Oden's father and most certainly Oden himself. Sword God Ryuma
Significance of Black Blade Shushui was of such utmost significance to Wano that it is placed in a shrine with Ryuma's corpse and it is so significant, Hiyori was willing to give a sword she received in inheritance from her father.
And above all else, despite Kozuki's Oden's notoriety in Gol D Roger's ship, his general accomplishments as a combatant, as a swordsman, as giving Kaido's scar to be seen by entire World, not once in his life time was Kozuki Oden ever recognized as Strongest Swordsman in the World
But despite Oden's mediocrity as a Swordsmen, he was certainly comparable to an Emperor, certainly strong enough to give Kaido a battle of his life and certainly give him post traumatic stress disorder.
Its almost like Mediocrity, almost there but not quite good enough, goes hand in hand with Emperor and fighters and legends of the class of an Emperor. A Mere Strong Samurai is comparable to a Mere Emperor.
Chapter 1058 : It can't get any clearer than that
A Subordinate having a greater bounty than the Captain.
How exceptional that phenomenon is can not be overstated, it is something unheard of something that has never happened.
Zoro was essentially, and at worst equal to Monkey D Luffy at the time of Whiskey Peak and Zoro's reputation was so great, he was basically perceived as the actual captain by Vivi, his status as a subordinate was often in question at that time
And this is not the first time Zoro's status as a "subordinate" was questioned, same happened in Water 7 as well, Urouge was shocked at the fact that someone like Zoro can be just a first mate.
Yet despite Zoro's exception as a subordinate, being very very close to Luffy or even equal, the idea of Zoro having greater bounty, being perceived as a bigger threat than his own captain was not even humored in One Piece.
Because Captain puts the cap on you, if you are a threat, by extension of whose umbrella you are under, who commands you is bigger threat as he can simply command you to fight for him.
Unless the the gap between perception, the distance between reputations, is so big, you are so much stronger than your captain, that Marines have no choice but to put a greater bounty than you.
And that's what happened to Dracule Hawk Eye Mihawk
And fans of Emperors always make stupid argument so they will make one here as well, and while to anyone with common sense, this shouldn't even need to be described, I will baby sit you guys regardless.
Yeah no shit Mihawk is far stronger than Buggy, we all know that but this bounty isn't the indicative of Mihawk's real strength with Buggy's real strength. This is the gap of perceptions, Buggy's reality and Buggy's perception is very different, Buggy has, through his own bullshit, has established himself as a threat who is just as strong as an emperor of the sea, a threat who can rival, once again Mihawk's inferior Red Hair Shanks.
Just read this God Damn Page if you want proof
And Buggy isn't even perceived as someone who barely makes the cut as an Emperor, he certainly isn't perceived as a Psusedo "5th Emperor", no he is a Full Blown Emperor with Bounty greater than Luffy, his Fellow Emperor.
I mean his bounty is far bigger than Blackbeard at the time he received his first bounty as an Emperor as well.
So Mihawk is perceived as such an insane threat, such a legend, such a significant entity in the history of the World, that it doesn't matter that he calls Buggy his "Captain", World Government still has to acknowledge Mihawk as the biggest threat.
Everything else I said prior to this point, only sets a stage, there is still some wiggle room I'll acknowledge but all that only establishes Mihawk deserves benefit of the doubt, this just puts a concrete cap on it, now its not about benefit of the doubt anymore...its about establishment of the undeniable fact that DRACULES HAWK EYES MIHAWK SHITS ON THE EMPERORS OF THE SEA.
@Fleet Admiral Lee Hung
@sanjikun
@TheAncientCenturion
@pg13
@grey matter
@HA001 OF THE RAIN
@comrade
@Seraphoenix
@MarineHQ
@SakazOuki
@Blackbeard
@Shanal
@Den_Den_Mushi
@ConquistadoR
@Franosuke
@L55
@SkySanji
@Steven
@Gol D. Roger
@Garp the Fist
@LANJI CUCKSMOKE
Great thread, bro
I use chapter 52 to my reference. So there are 3 levels in conclusion.
*Red is option 1, Green is option 2
1) Mihawk has never been in the same line with Roger & WB on his own word in ch 52 & in Marineford.
2) Mihawk is comparable with Mid Top Tier BM (from my list) & High top Tier Kaido (from my list too). It means that Mihawk is comparable to Emperors (Shanks is included). Since Shanks (same with Mihawk) can be either Mid Top Tier or High top Tier.
So what i can get from Mihawk is "Mihawk wants to taste a defeat' since he probably doesnt understand about that (a defeat, in swordsmanship)
- Tougher than surpass mihawk (i use 2 options)
- Surpass Mihawk
- Mihawk level
*Red is option 1, Green is option 2
- 2 above Top Top Tier: Tougher than surpass Mihawk (Luffy)
- 1 Above Top Top Tier: Tougher than surpass Mihawk (Luffy), Tougher than surpass Mihawk (Luffy)
- Top Top Tier (Roger): Tougher than surpass Mihawk (Luffy), Surpass Mihawk (Zoro)
- High Top Tier (Emperor Kaido): Surpass Mihawk (Zoro), Mihawk
- Mid Top Tier (Emperor 68 years old BM): Mihawk
- Low Top Tier:
1) Mihawk has never been in the same line with Roger & WB on his own word in ch 52 & in Marineford.
2) Mihawk is comparable with Mid Top Tier BM (from my list) & High top Tier Kaido (from my list too). It means that Mihawk is comparable to Emperors (Shanks is included). Since Shanks (same with Mihawk) can be either Mid Top Tier or High top Tier.
So what i can get from Mihawk is "Mihawk wants to taste a defeat' since he probably doesnt understand about that (a defeat, in swordsmanship)
Well done, overall I agree with the spirit of the thread, a few minor points I feel can be debated but ultimately the gist of everything is correct. Probably the most objectionable thing you said was about two arm Shanks being prime Shanks but everything else was pretty on point. Not much to disagree with tbh.
I agree, Emperors are stronger though than your average warlord. Honestly man the average Warlord might be low top tier or that level between top commander and old Rayleigh, Croc’s Hancock’s, and Jinbe’s bounties show that the WG views them as a greater threat than high/top commanders, and yeah Doberman did think of them when wondering what could stop Big Mom and Kaido. They are one of the three great powers so they shouldn’t be slept on.
As of now I’m leaning towards:
High or Mid Top Tier - Mihawk
Mid or Low Top Tier - Weevil, prime Kuma, and Doffy
Top YC or above - Croc, In-Water Jinbe
Mid commander - Hancock, maybe Moriah(?)
As of now I’m leaning towards:
High or Mid Top Tier - Mihawk
Mid or Low Top Tier - Weevil, prime Kuma, and Doffy
Top YC or above - Croc, In-Water Jinbe
Mid commander - Hancock, maybe Moriah(?)
There is no chance Mihawk is "Mid" top tier, if mid refers to middle of the pact.
That ship sailed the moment this happened
That ship sailed the moment this happened
You know the answer lol
I basically have Mihawk on par with Roger and Whitebeard and like a cut above current top tiers.
Maybe that would change in the future, there is a possibility Oda will bring Akainu and Dragon to that level too...Blackbeard's a given.
But so far Mihawk's hype in chapter 1058 is essentially a huge exception to the top tier norm.
You don't just become the only man in history to have higher bounty than your captain and your captain is a Yonko. That is by its own virtue an exceptional portrayal, even if we disregard other relatively exceptional nuances attached to Mihawk like Black Blade, Grand Line Shaking Duel, World's Strongest Title, being the Kingly Ambition of someone.
Remember we were discussing a while ago, when Kaido's scar was revealed, idea of Black Blade making was revealed, we were already in an argeement that Mihawk's current portrayal is better than Akainu's. Now even that is surpassed.
Like Mihawk started out by
-Calling a Yonko One armed Has Been
-To introducing the concept of permanent Haki
-To being the pinnacle of most effective fighting style
-To be only man to have bounty above his own captain, break an unbreakable norm
-And do it while his captain is a Yonko
Do you see how absurd that is?
I am not even counting minor stuff like hunting marines on a raft in the New World amidst of all the storms and sea kings. He can't freeze the ocean like Aokiji, its all skill.
Like being Zoro's goal, Zoro who already scarred Kaido, low diffed a YC1
To having the most hyped up weapon in the series
Didn't Stephen also call Mihawk World's Greatest that every Shankstard uses to downplay Mihawk then he himself went on to embarrass @Erkan12 and say Greatest and strongest mean the same thing..Whitebeards title and Mihawks title have same Japanese wording?
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I basically have Mihawk on par with Roger and Whitebeard and like a cut above current top tiers.
Maybe that would change in the future, there is a possibility Oda will bring Akainu and Dragon to that level too...Blackbeard's a given.
But so far Mihawk's hype in chapter 1058 is essentially a huge exception to the top tier norm.
You don't just become the only man in history to have higher bounty than your captain and your captain is a Yonko. That is by its own virtue an exceptional portrayal, even if we disregard other relatively exceptional nuances attached to Mihawk like Black Blade, Grand Line Shaking Duel, World's Strongest Title, being the Kingly Ambition of someone.
Remember we were discussing a while ago, when Kaido's scar was revealed, idea of Black Blade making was revealed, we were already in an argeement that Mihawk's current portrayal is better than Akainu's. Now even that is surpassed.
Like Mihawk started out by
-Calling a Yonko One armed Has Been
-To introducing the concept of permanent Haki
-To being the pinnacle of most effective fighting style
-To be only man to have bounty above his own captain, break an unbreakable norm
-And do it while his captain is a Yonko
Do you see how absurd that is?
I am not even counting minor stuff like hunting marines on a raft in the New World amidst of all the storms and sea kings. He can't freeze the ocean like Aokiji, its all skill.
Like being Zoro's goal, Zoro who already scarred Kaido, low diffed a YC1
To having the most hyped up weapon in the series
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Didn't Stephen also call Mihawk World's Greatest that every Shankstard uses to downplay Mihawk then he himself went on to embarrass @Erkan12 and say Greatest and strongest mean the same thing..Whitebeards title and Mihawks title have same Japanese wording?
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Fair assertion and agreed
I'll rank top 10 characters in numbers
Mihawk 101
Akainu 100
Dragon 100
Kizaru 99.5
Aokiji 99
Shanks 99
Blackbeard 98
Luffy 95
Fujitora 94
Green Bull 93
Zoro 93
@Fleet Admiral Lee Hung
I'll rank top 10 characters in numbers
Mihawk 101
Akainu 100
Dragon 100
Kizaru 99.5
Aokiji 99
Shanks 99
Blackbeard 98
Luffy 95
Fujitora 94
Green Bull 93
Zoro 93
@Fleet Admiral Lee Hung
