Future Events Wano Match-Ups

It makes no sense for Zoro's first fight against a high tier to be king, imo. Just looking at how much it took Luffy to beat katakuri back in WCI, I think it would be a lot more rational for Zoro to fight a YC2. I don't think that rapid powerlevel jumping is a good idea nor do I think it is really necesary as imo there are other arcs where Zoro can surpass a YC1.

King's big strength is flying so it doesn't make sense for Zoro to fight him as Zoro can't fly. I think Eustass Kidd deserves a fight against King. He is portrayed as Luffy's rival and hence it doesn't make sense for him to not have a 1v1 against one of the top commanders. I love Zoro but I think it would be a complete disservice to Kidd if Zoro upstaged him. Due to flight via magnetism, Kidd can engage King in a sky battle.

Queen is a walking blob of muscle, he most likely specializes in high AP attacks and hence would be a perfect enemy for Zoro to show off his skills against.

Zoro vs Queen
Jinbe vs Jack
Sanji vs Who's Who

imo this makes a lot more sense than the highly popular Zoro vs King, Sanji vs Queen model. I already explained why Zoro vs King wouldn't work, but Sanji vs Queen makes less sense. Sanji is a quick and agile fighter, I just don't get why he would be matched up against a meathead like Queen. Lets also not forget how Sanji, even with the raid suit, struggled to make quick work of Page one and hence isn't that much stronger than him.
The problem is you're too stuck on power levels and shafting the Straw Hats in favor of Supernova characters that you ignore Oda's pattern of doing things. Law and Kid at best will tag team with Luffy against Kaido until they're out of commission. And the "but King can fly" argument is such a nothing-burger, like the theory about Zoro dying in a certain chapter.
 

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is it not possible that that was just a blade with a flat edge?

but I don't get it. His main weapons, as blatantly evident, are swords. If he isn't a swordsman, then what is he? A dinosaur man?
Queen carries two scimitars or swords similar to them, the weapon he used in the Oden flashback wasn't even curved like his swords should be.
 
The problem is you're too stuck on power levels and shafting the Straw Hats in favor of Supernova characters that you ignore Oda's pattern of doing things. Law and Kid at best will tag team with Luffy against Kaido until they're out of commission. And the "but King can fly" argument is such a nothing-burger, like the theory about Zoro dying in a certain chapter.
how am I the one stuck on powerlevels?

Zoro vs Kanjuro and Sanji vs Who's Who has actual buildup, there is actual foreshadowing in the manga that these will be their fights. You guys ignore that because it doesn't fit with your headcanon.

also, Oda's pattern isn't applicable here, there isn't a single previous arc that can even be compared to wano. Kaido's the first guy post-skip who was able to fodderize Luffy. The beast pirates have much better portrayal than their straw hat equivalents. It just doesn't make sense.

Why would Oda have Luffy ally with his rival supernovas if he wanted Luffy to claim credit for the victory of wano? It makes no sense.

Eustass Kidd is portrayed as a direct rival of Luffy's. Even if Luffy is much stronger than him, it would literally destroy the point of his character if Zoro upstages him. Kidd has received better portrayal than Zoro ever since his introduction and there is nothing apart from baseless headcanon to say otherwise.

It doesn't make sense for Zoro to get a 1`v1 over someone as important as Kidd.
 
how am I the one stuck on powerlevels?

Zoro vs Kanjuro and Sanji vs Who's Who has actual buildup, there is actual foreshadowing in the manga that these will be their fights. You guys ignore that because it doesn't fit with your headcanon.

also, Oda's pattern isn't applicable here, there isn't a single previous arc that can even be compared to wano. Kaido's the first guy post-skip who was able to fodderize Luffy. The beast pirates have much better portrayal than their straw hat equivalents. It just doesn't make sense.

Why would Oda have Luffy ally with his rival supernovas if he wanted Luffy to claim credit for the victory of wano? It makes no sense.

Eustass Kidd is portrayed as a direct rival of Luffy's. Even if Luffy is much stronger than him, it would literally destroy the point of his character if Zoro upstages him. Kidd has received better portrayal than Zoro ever since his introduction and there is nothing apart from baseless headcanon to say otherwise.

It doesn't make sense for Zoro to get a 1`v1 over someone as important as Kidd.

Kid ain't important.
(Saying otherwise IS headcanon )

You can create thousands duplicates of him and kill them nonchalantly ,story will continue firmly without issue.
 
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how am I the one stuck on powerlevels?

Zoro vs Kanjuro and Sanji vs Who's Who has actual buildup, there is actual foreshadowing in the manga that these will be their fights. You guys ignore that because it doesn't fit with your headcanon.
No build-up, no foreshadowing. Zoro vs Kanjuro is one the most random fights you can think of, same with Sanji vs Who's Who. Especially when Kanjuro will be an opponent for Scabbards, the people he has ACTUALLY deceived, was one of the reasons their leader died and the current state of Wano. And Kanjuro's and Who's Who's YC level is headcannon that has no back-ups.
 
Zoro vs Kanjuro and Sanji vs Who's Who has actual buildup, there is actual foreshadowing in the manga that these will be their fights. You guys ignore that because it doesn't fit with your headcanon.
What kind of buildup is there fore sanji vs who's who?

also, Oda's pattern isn't applicable here, there isn't a single previous arc that can even be compared to wano. Kaido's the first guy post-skip who was able to fodderize Luffy. The beast pirates have much better portrayal than their straw hat equivalents. It just doesn't make sense.
Meh, first yonko to be beaten, luffy getting fodderized by kaido sounds somewhat like the alabasta arc where they faced off against their first shichibukai, and crocodile fodderized luffy in their first round. . .
 
No build-up, no foreshadowing. Zoro vs Kanjuro is one the most random fights you can think of, same with Sanji vs Who's Who. Especially when Kanjuro will be an opponent for Scabbards, the people he has ACTUALLY deceived, was one of the reasons their leader died and the current state of Wano. And Kanjuro's and Who's Who's YC level is headcannon that has no back-ups.
You can summarize it by people being too afraid to admit they have been wrong for all the years since the timeskip when Zoro beats a Y1C by getting only one mid fight powerup like Luffy did, hence come up with the stupidest match-ups to console themselves.

Too bad, it´s still coming..
 
how am I the one stuck on powerlevels?
Because your reasoning for breaking away from Oda's pattern is "but power level!" and "but dah supernovas!"

Zoro vs Kanjuro and Sanji vs Who's Who has actual buildup, there is actual foreshadowing in the manga that these will be their fights. You guys ignore that because it doesn't fit with your headcanon.
I am not denying they could happen, but they won't be their main fights. It's blatantly obvious Kaido's top two will be their main opponents. Oda said this will be the Straw Hats most difficult battle yet, but for some reason, Zoro fights a fodder clown and Sanji beats a veteran-level; that's not raising the steaks.

also, Oda's pattern isn't applicable here, there isn't a single previous arc that can even be compared to wano. Kaido's the first guy post-skip who was able to fodderize Luffy. The beast pirates have much better portrayal than their straw hat equivalents. It just doesn't make sense.
You're proving my point about you being stuck on power levels, since that is one of your only arguments against Zoro/Sanji VS King/Queen.

And Wano is like every other arc, but it's raising the steaks higher than ever.

Why would Oda have Luffy ally with his rival supernovas if he wanted Luffy to claim credit for the victory of wano? It makes no sense.
Because Luffy's the main character and they're not.

Eustass Kidd is portrayed as a direct rival of Luffy's. Even if Luffy is much stronger than him, it would literally destroy the point of his character if Zoro upstages him. Kidd has received better portrayal than Zoro ever since his introduction and there is nothing apart from baseless headcanon to say otherwise.
It wouldn't destroy the point of Kid's character; it'd just mean Luffy's always been the better pirate.

It doesn't make sense for Zoro to get a 1`v1 over someone as important as Kidd.
Yes it does, and throwing buzzwords like "headcanon" isn't going to make it otherwise.
 
Well with the appearance of the flying six and Numbers we have at least 19 enemies plus Kaido and his son just for the main fighters plus the allied captains of Kaido who are prob more 30 there so many over 100 mio class warriors and if we count the BMP the gap widens even further if the WBP , Marines and the grand fleet of the strawhats does appear I see massacre upon the poor samurai

21 BP plus Orochi and Fuku and BMP (BM, Smoothie, Peros, Compote and Daifuku) 28 high class fighters
Orochi easily survived Namis thunder Zeus and to beat him Kinemon will need some effort


we have 10 strawhats , 7 samurai , 2 captains , Killer plus Laws and Kids inferior executives 6 ( Bepo, Jean, Sachi, Penguin, Wire and Heat) 25 executives but the problem is more than half of those are normal Headliner or Minister level
At this rate the 5400 men can be annihilated by those 28 warriors alone

4 strawhats, 3 samurais, 3 WG are the 10 high class warrior the good guys have for now who want they beat here the allstars ???? a sweet commander Luffy even needed help and air to gasp
a flying six a Sanji with RS couldnt beat

So I guess for now we have
Luffy vs Kaido
King vs Zoro
Kid vs Queen
Inurashi vs Jack

Jinbe, Sanji, Killer, Kawamatsu, Ashura vs 5 of 6 flying six
now we have numbers left whom even Queens considers monsters I guess there are 10 of them so they prob can solo the whole invading army
 
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