Theory I think i know what one piece is and i think i know what Imu also is.

[Bisoromi Bear]

I am assuming you were referring to entity as actually living breathing deiti

Yeah something like that
One Piece established very early that deities don't and never will exist and that there is a 'logical' (following cartoon logic) explanation for everything. E.g. Enel's status as a god stems from his df power and thus his immense strength and ability to impress and scare people

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Yeah something like that
One Piece established very early that deities don't and never will exist and that there is a 'logical' (following cartoon logic) explanation for everything. E.g. Enel's status as a god stems from his df power and thus his immense strength and ability to impress and scare people

Ok I 100 percent agree with this. Hence why even when I described poseiden I made sure to include the fact that the ability is attributed to the earth itself / mother nature which even if it's an entity IS not a diety. If that makes sense. Basically carrys out the will of nature itself. Hence why I made the correlation to the name.umi: sea and mother: mother of the sea/ocean

 

[LayerZ]

Off the gate I will start of by saying that I firmly believe that imu is or was the former poseidon. I know it sounds stupid but it makes sense. As we know fismen are discrimated against gard but did any of you care to know why?

Think of it both Fishman island and marejois have artifacts and monuments build in the name of the word DRAGON. Both have devices or abilities that shield their faces body from the outside air. Both a weird desire and respect for mermaids. The list goes on. The fact that that one of doffys relatives ventured out into the sea to capture one yet had his crew and ship destroyed but was some how able to survive in those deep seas before even being found always seemed weird to me..

But yes I believe that imu was poseiden since only Fishman are the ones that control the seas. It makes sense that an entity against joy boy was the one that cursed all devil fruit users from working affectively in water. In this instance the only one with that kind of control would be poseiden. To add its interesting that poseiden is the only LIVING ancient weapon. And coincidentally is the only ancient weapon that's role and ability can passed down to only MERMAIDS or MERMEN. Not regular Fishman like jimbe.

Now I know you are wondering why would imu be the first poseidon? And if she was why would she now discriminated against her own kind. My answer to you would be...... its because of joyboys (nikas) mistake. Hence the apology to the Fishmen people on the poneglyph. This is also why joyboya nakamura Zou was also cursed BY THE SEA to walk for eternity.

There is a direct correlation between nika and poseiden which is why when rodger found out that poseiden wasn't born he was under the impression that he was "to early" on his voyage. This hints like many other hints that nika was poseidens sovereign.

Now back to imu. This is only half of my theory since I need everyone to get this before I share my other theory. The word imu is IMU means "I Miss You." The abbreviation IMU indicates a feeling of sorrow or sadness due to the absence of someone, such as a lover, family member, or close friend. It is typically used at the end of a conversation, when saying goodbye. However the word imu in Japanese means : HATE, despair, sorrow, loss.

However if we reverse the name imu to umi that gives it another added meaning. Umi: Umi is a babys name of mixed origins. Meaning “sea” in Japanese and “mother” in Arabic, Umi is definitely related to some of life's most beautiful phenomena.

If imu was poseidon like my theory suggests then how is theire another one now while imu is still alive. That's because it was never stated that the previous poseiden had to die for another one to born many years later. Infact I can argue that imu/umi is mother nature in the form of the sea hence the name. Which means that imu lost its power being poseiden. And the way in which I think this happened was because I'm ate a devil fruit. We have the Noah, Adam tree and eve tree. The Adam tree in marejois while the eve tree is in Fishman island. These are Bible themes and these trees also again explains the ties of Fishman island and the holy land. Now that the Bible references are addressed I am of the belief that nika (joyboy) gave imu/poseiden a devil fruit to save her which resulted in her being stripped of her connection to the power of poseiden which resulted in her cursing the sea to those that follow nika (become devil fruit users). This is directly attributed to the reverse happening in the Bible with eve giving Ada. The fruit which result in GOD kicking them out of prosperity and being stripped of greatness.

That's the first half of my theory

@Admiral Maynard @Boing , @MonsterZoro ,
@Warchief Sanji D Goat

Realy interesting im waiting for part 2 .

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

You might be onto something here @Ssg super suit coby

It is an interesting read nonetheless. Can't wait for part 2.

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Gents here is part 2 of the theory. Now that it is established that imu/umi is the former poseiden we dive further again into why what nika/joyboy did was bad to her. Nika as stated by who's who was a bringer of freedom and smiles everywhere. We then have recently found out by vegapunk that devil fruits were born from the desire and wants from people. And that those desires and wishes made devil fruit a reality. This is very interesting since it literally feeds into the theory that the first and only devil fruit was most likely the nika fruit. A fruit filled with imagination that allowed joy boy to put smiles and grant people there deepest desires (creation of devil fruits).

Now this may sound silly to some but oda made this point pretty clear if you think of it. Vegapunks words about how devil fruits came into existence give credence to this. The fact that nika was a bringer of smiles and a person that granted desires to others, and the fact that we have an adam and an eve tree. The first devil fruit (the nika fruit) was most likely was a product or fruit created by the Adam's tree since in Bible scripture adam was the first man. And the tree in Bible times was known to produce a forbidden fruit that God told man not to eat from. Becuase it granted man knowledge etc etc. Now here's what's going to freak you gents out about this theory. It's the fact that a fake, self proclaimed joyboy (kaido) with the help of Ceasars created fake devil fruits that were then granted to people that were name ......SMILES and the side affect of said fake fruits were permanently granting people whom ate said fake fruits SMILES. This literally sounds like what vegapunk had alluded to what who's who has alluded to in references to why fruits were created in the first place and what joyboy was doing to people etc etc.

Now back to imu. Imu being the mother of the sea and embodiment of mother nature would instinctively have an issue by the way joyboy was simply granting pepples wishes by the means of giving people devil fruits since that would literally throw the world's balance into turmoil (remember the forbidden fruit in the Bible provided wisdom upon eating it but is also doomed humanity).
As a result nika and poseiden even though they were close were instinctively at odds with each other.

Back to imu. I mentioned to you gents that imu was the former poseiden and that she was a mermaid. But what I did not mention was the fact that she may have also been the very first Fishman. Let me explain mermaid, mermen, Fishman are all fish people however mermaids are treated of a different hierarchy hence why only the queen or king of Fishman island are mermaids. This is also the reason why poseiden can only be a mermaid. And here's were the bite of my second theory comes into fruition. Imu lost her connection to the power of poseiden and thus lost her connection to mother nature because she was given a forbidden fruit that she being the will of nature opposed. This act resulted in her losing her title as poseiden. The fruit she most likely was offered to by nika was meant to potentially save her hence why joyboy gave it to her. Since based on this theory the nika fruit created devil fruits and does so as a means to put smiles on people's faces and grants wishes joyboy as a result granted imu/poseiden her greatest desire......... to have the ability to walk on land!. So my theory is that nika gave poseiden a human human devil fruit which resulted in imu/poseiden being the first fishperson/mermaid to gain legs. Now to clarify this oda has stated in an sbs that physical triats of a person's zoan devil fruit can pass onto the children and slightly alter that child's biology. So it's my wild belief that imu eating a human fruit and gaining legs resulted in the first fish people being born to walk on land . This is why the fishmen still revere mermaids as a higher authority since a Fishman can not weild that level of prestige or even become poiseden because of what happened to imu. As a result she cursed the oceans so that devil fruit user (those who were given gifts and smiles from joyboy) cannot receive the blessings of the sea. To make matters worse more than likely imu found out that the power of poseiden can be passed down to other generations of mermaids which further made her angry for 2 maon reasons: 1. That its a constant reminder ofnher hate towards nika based on the fact that she waa replaced and 2. That the new poseiden once matured can undo the curse that the sea has on devil fruits. This is also why imu discriminates against the Fishman because of the fact that she was .......forgotten and the fact that she does not want her curse of the sea to devil fruit users to be undone


I have more to this theory but I will stop here since again it's long and the main parts I already mentioned
@Hedfi, @MonsterKaido

@Warchief Sanji D Goat , @LayerZ , @Admiral Maynard , @Phoenix D. King ,

 

[MonsterKaido]

I reread part 1. I think too much emphasis is on Poseidon but interesting theory. Part 2 is too long. Will read it later

 

[Kerkovian]

i mean isn't it kinda random that Oda introduced us to the tail splitting thing? Why did he even come up with it when it's not relevant?

Are you solis?

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Nice theory @Ssg super suit coby. A complete different take. Kudos to you for the time spent on creating it. :cheers:

 

[MonsterKaido]

Read part 2. Personally I would like if imu are their own separate entity but good theory nonetheless.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Are you solis?

Yes

 

[Kerkovian]

Yes

How come you get name changes so often while some have been yelling for 1 year?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I

How come you get name changes so often while some have been yelling for 1 year?

I only got 1 change

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Are you solis?

Post automatically merged: Jan 6, 2023

Nice theory @Ssg super suit coby. A complete different take. Kudos to you for the time spent on creating it. :cheers:

Thank you very much. Really appreciate it

 

[LayerZ]

Gents here is part 2 of the theory. Now that it is established that imu/umi is the former poseiden we dive further again into why what nika/joyboy did was bad to her. Nika as stated by who's who was a bringer of freedom and smiles everywhere. We then have recently found out by vegapunk that devil fruits were born from the desire and wants from people. And that those desires and wishes made devil fruit a reality. This is very interesting since it literally feeds into the theory that the first and only devil fruit was most likely the nika fruit. A fruit filled with imagination that allowed joy boy to put smiles and grant people there deepest desires (creation of devil fruits).

Now this may sound silly to some but oda made this point pretty clear if you think of it. Vegapunks words about how devil fruits came into existence give credence to this. The fact that nika was a bringer of smiles and a person that granted desires to others, and the fact that we have an adam and an eve tree. The first devil fruit (the nika fruit) was most likely was a product or fruit created by the Adam's tree since in Bible scripture adam was the first man. And the tree in Bible times was known to produce a forbidden fruit that God told man not to eat from. Becuase it granted man knowledge etc etc. Now here's what's going to freak you gents out about this theory. It's the fact that a fake, self proclaimed joyboy (kaido) with the help of Ceasars created fake devil fruits that were then granted to people that were name ......SMILES and the side affect of said fake fruits were permanently granting people whom ate said fake fruits SMILES. This literally sounds like what vegapunk had alluded to what who's who has alluded to in references to why fruits were created in the first place and what joyboy was doing to people etc etc.

Now back to imu. Imu being the mother of the sea and embodiment of mother nature would instinctively have an issue by the way joyboy was simply granting pepples wishes by the means of giving people devil fruits since that would literally throw the world's balance into turmoil (remember the forbidden fruit in the Bible provided wisdom upon eating it but is also doomed humanity).
As a result nika and poseiden even though they were close were instinctively at odds with each other.

Back to imu. I mentioned to you gents that imu was the former poseiden and that she was a mermaid. But what I did not mention was the fact that she may have also been the very first Fishman. Let me explain mermaid, mermen, Fishman are all fish people however mermaids are treated of a different hierarchy hence why only the queen or king of Fishman island are mermaids. This is also the reason why poseiden can only be a mermaid. And here's were the bite of my second theory comes into fruition. Imu lost her connection to the power of poseiden and thus lost her connection to mother nature because she was given a forbidden fruit that she being the will of nature opposed. This act resulted in her losing her title as poseiden. The fruit she most likely was offered to by nika was meant to potentially save her hence why joyboy gave it to her. Since based on this theory the nika fruit created devil fruits and does so as a means to put smiles on people's faces and grants wishes joyboy as a result granted imu/poseiden her greatest desire......... to have the ability to walk on land!. So my theory is that nika gave poseiden a human human devil fruit which resulted in imu/poseiden being the first fishperson/mermaid to gain legs. Now to clarify this oda has stated in an sbs that physical triats of a person's zoan devil fruit can pass onto the children and slightly alter that child's biology. So it's my wild belief that imu eating a human fruit and gaining legs resulted in the first fish people being born to walk on land . This is why the fishmen still revere mermaids as a higher authority since a Fishman can not weild that level of prestige or even become poiseden because of what happened to imu. As a result she cursed the oceans so that devil fruit user (those who were given gifts and smiles from joyboy) cannot receive the blessings of the sea. To make matters worse more than likely imu found out that the power of poseiden can be passed down to other generations of mermaids which further made her angry for 2 maon reasons: 1. That its a constant reminder ofnher hate towards nika based on the fact that she waa replaced and 2. That the new poseiden once matured can undo the curse that the sea has on devil fruits. This is also why imu discriminates against the Fishman because of the fact that she was .......forgotten and the fact that she does not want her curse of the sea to devil fruit users to be undone


I have more to this theory but I will stop here since again it's long and the main parts I already mentioned
@Hedfi, @MonsterKaido

@Warchief Sanji D Goat , @LayerZ , @Admiral Maynard , @Phoenix D. King ,

Hum not agreed for the human fruit and not only because chopper is a owner but also because mermeid do have the faculty to walk on land when older in one piece .
FOr joyboy being the one that created devil fruits it make sense but why only one of each type ?
People share dreams !
There is a lot of people that want be the best boxer in the world for exemple so why give the boxer boxer fruit to only 1 person ?
Also she was not forced to eat the fruit you are saying that joyboy forced her to eat ?

SO I think the point that make no sense is joyboy creating only 1 devil fruit of each dreams.
If you have the power to create what you want then you can create 1 for every one .

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Hum not agreed for the human fruit and not only because chopper is a owner but also because mermeid do have the faculty to walk on land when older in one piece .
FOr joyboy being the one that created devil fruits it make sense but why only one of each type ?
People share dreams !
There is a lot of people that want be the best boxer in the world for exemple so why give the boxer boxer fruit to only 1 person ?
Also she was not forced to eat the fruit you are saying that joyboy forced her to eat ?

SO I think the point that make no sense is joyboy creating only 1 devil fruit of each dreams.
If you have the power to create what you want then you can create 1 for every one .

1. True however that ability thay mermaids now posses may not have been a thing back then. To add chopper doesn't seem to have a regular human fruit at all lol

2. Dreams are similar but desire and reasoning are different. 100 people may want to be the best boexer but there reasoning or there way about becoming the best boxer are different. Someone may be strong but need more speed to be abhetter boxer while one may have speed but lack the strength needed to be the best boxer.

3. Essentially imu did not want a fruit however to save her life nika acted on her subconscious desires as a means of saving her.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Gents here is part 2 of the theory. Now that it is established that imu/umi is the former poseiden we dive further again into why what nika/joyboy did was bad to her. Nika as stated by who's who was a bringer of freedom and smiles everywhere. We then have recently found out by vegapunk that devil fruits were born from the desire and wants from people. And that those desires and wishes made devil fruit a reality. This is very interesting since it literally feeds into the theory that the first and only devil fruit was most likely the nika fruit. A fruit filled with imagination that allowed joy boy to put smiles and grant people there deepest desires (creation of devil fruits).

Now this may sound silly to some but oda made this point pretty clear if you think of it. Vegapunks words about how devil fruits came into existence give credence to this. The fact that nika was a bringer of smiles and a person that granted desires to others, and the fact that we have an adam and an eve tree. The first devil fruit (the nika fruit) was most likely was a product or fruit created by the Adam's tree since in Bible scripture adam was the first man. And the tree in Bible times was known to produce a forbidden fruit that God told man not to eat from. Becuase it granted man knowledge etc etc. Now here's what's going to freak you gents out about this theory. It's the fact that a fake, self proclaimed joyboy (kaido) with the help of Ceasars created fake devil fruits that were then granted to people that were name ......SMILES and the side affect of said fake fruits were permanently granting people whom ate said fake fruits SMILES. This literally sounds like what vegapunk had alluded to what who's who has alluded to in references to why fruits were created in the first place and what joyboy was doing to people etc etc.

Now back to imu. Imu being the mother of the sea and embodiment of mother nature would instinctively have an issue by the way joyboy was simply granting pepples wishes by the means of giving people devil fruits since that would literally throw the world's balance into turmoil (remember the forbidden fruit in the Bible provided wisdom upon eating it but is also doomed humanity).
As a result nika and poseiden even though they were close were instinctively at odds with each other.

Back to imu. I mentioned to you gents that imu was the former poseiden and that she was a mermaid. But what I did not mention was the fact that she may have also been the very first Fishman. Let me explain mermaid, mermen, Fishman are all fish people however mermaids are treated of a different hierarchy hence why only the queen or king of Fishman island are mermaids. This is also the reason why poseiden can only be a mermaid. And here's were the bite of my second theory comes into fruition. Imu lost her connection to the power of poseiden and thus lost her connection to mother nature because she was given a forbidden fruit that she being the will of nature opposed. This act resulted in her losing her title as poseiden. The fruit she most likely was offered to by nika was meant to potentially save her hence why joyboy gave it to her. Since based on this theory the nika fruit created devil fruits and does so as a means to put smiles on people's faces and grants wishes joyboy as a result granted imu/poseiden her greatest desire......... to have the ability to walk on land!. So my theory is that nika gave poseiden a human human devil fruit which resulted in imu/poseiden being the first fishperson/mermaid to gain legs. Now to clarify this oda has stated in an sbs that physical triats of a person's zoan devil fruit can pass onto the children and slightly alter that child's biology. So it's my wild belief that imu eating a human fruit and gaining legs resulted in the first fish people being born to walk on land . This is why the fishmen still revere mermaids as a higher authority since a Fishman can not weild that level of prestige or even become poiseden because of what happened to imu. As a result she cursed the oceans so that devil fruit user (those who were given gifts and smiles from joyboy) cannot receive the blessings of the sea. To make matters worse more than likely imu found out that the power of poseiden can be passed down to other generations of mermaids which further made her angry for 2 maon reasons: 1. That its a constant reminder ofnher hate towards nika based on the fact that she waa replaced and 2. That the new poseiden once matured can undo the curse that the sea has on devil fruits. This is also why imu discriminates against the Fishman because of the fact that she was .......forgotten and the fact that she does not want her curse of the sea to devil fruit users to be undone


I have more to this theory but I will stop here since again it's long and the main parts I already mentioned
@Hedfi, @MonsterKaido

@Warchief Sanji D Goat , @LayerZ , @Admiral Maynard , @Phoenix D. King ,

Wow, it's great!

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Wow, it's great!

Well thank you

 

[LayerZ]

1. True however that ability thay mermaids now posses may not have been a thing back then. To add chopper doesn't seem to have a regular human fruit at all lol

2. Dreams are similar but desire and reasoning are different. 100 people may want to be the best boexer but there reasoning or there way about becoming the best boxer are different. Someone may be strong but need more speed to be abhetter boxer while one may have speed but lack the strength needed to be the best boxer.

3. Essentially imu did not want a fruit however to save her life nika acted on her subconscious desires as a means of saving her.

Joyboy giving her a devil fruit might be truth but maybe it is not the human one ? we have to know what was Imu goal ? If she realy was a good person at the start I don't think losing her power would be that harsh since now she can indeed walk on land and this was her dream right ?

FOr exemple if you offer luffy a trade . Acomplishing his dream vs his conqueror haki he def would accept losing his conqueror .

Hell even if you offer luffy his dream vs his life he will choose his dream .
Maybe IMu dream was more complicated then that ?
And when joyboy realise he did a mistake he got killed before being able to fix it ?
Tought he did leaved an apologie letter.
And of course RObin know what he said but not us .

I think Blackbeard fruit being called the most evil df have something to do with the death of joyboy .

ANd what is your theorie about Zunesha crime ? It is also linked to posseidon ?

Imu also seem to hate vivi what vivi have or the nefetari family have related to posseidon ?

ALso for nami Shiraoshi said she felt like she always knew nami do you think posseidon and nami have a link ?

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Joyboy giving her a devil fruit might be truth but maybe it is not the human one ? we have to know what was Imu goal ? If she realy was a good person at the start I don't think losing her power would be that harsh since now she can indeed walk on land and this was her dream right ?

FOr exemple if you offer luffy a trade . Acomplishing his dream vs his conqueror haki he def would accept losing his conqueror .

Hell even if you offer luffy his dream vs his life he will choose his dream .
Maybe IMu dream was more complicated then that ?
And when joyboy realise he did a mistake he got killed before being able to fix it ?
Tought he did leaved an apologie letter.
And of course RObin know what he said but not us .

I think Blackbeard fruit being called the most evil df have something to do with the death of joyboy .

ANd what is your theorie about Zunesha crime ? It is also linked to posseidon ?

Imu also seem to hate vivi what vivi have or the nefetari family have related to posseidon ?

I love the way you think.

Yes. I think poseidon cursed all of nikas nakama hence why Zou is forced to walk for eternity in the sea. The reason why I haven't dived deeper is because there is a direct tie in with momos mom toki. Which alludes to the reason why momo can communicate with Zou. Because I need more info on matter like these i won't release my other theories in reference to these. Atleast not yet.

However all I will say is this.

Nika failing poseidon

Devil fruit users being curse by the sea

Blackbeards fruit

Emerald theory in which I theorize is god's valley

Zunesha having a connection with toki

Zunesha being punished.

Toki feeling the need to transport her self 100s of years into the future

The Noah, Adam tree, eve tree,

Connection with the Fishman and celestial dragons.

Everything is linked

 

[LayerZ]

I love the way you think.

Yes. I think poseidon cursed all of nikas nakama hence why Zou is forced to walk for eternity in the sea. The reason why I haven't dived deeper is because there is a direct tie in with momos mom toki. Which alludes to the reason why momo can communicate with Zou. Because I need more info on matter like these i won't release my other theories in reference to these. Atleast not yet.

However all I will say is this.

Nika failing poseidon

Devil fruit users being curse by the sea

Blackbeards fruit

Emerald theory in which I theorize is god's valley

Zunesha having a connection with toki

Zunesha being punished.

Toki feeling the need to transport her self 100s of years into the future

The Noah, Adam tree, eve tree,

Connection with the Fishman and celestial dragons.

Everything is linked

Haha so everyone punished because of joyboy ? A bit harsh but hey .
Ok I will wait for your explanation for more and maybe you will answerd why shiraoshi felt like she always knew nami. I always felt like nami is a way more impôrtant character then we think . We don't even know her name . So I would love to see if you discovered what is her link with posseidon ?
It seemed you have put a lot of tought about this . IM good to see comings events,portrayal and forshadow but I don't go this deep.

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Haha so everyone punished because of joyboy ? A bit harsh but hey .
Ok I will wait for your explanation for more and maybe you will answerd why shiraoshi felt like she always knew nami. I always felt like nami is a way more impôrtant character then we think . We don't even know her name . So I would love to see if you discovered what is her link with posseidon ?
It seemed you have put a lot of tought about this . IM good to see comings events,portrayal and forshadow but I don't go this deep.

Thanks much appreciated. To be honest, nami and the ancient kingdom are thet two main reasons why I haven't completed the 3rd section of this theory of mines however something I should address with nami:

1. We don't know her biological parents.
2. She was captured by Fishman
3. And the coicendentally was told by a mermaid princess who is the current poseiden that her present felt faniliar.

4. Her dream is also to be a navigator while her means of fighting is controlling the weather like she herself is a form of mother nature!!!!!
Now why would oda have nami have this much ties to the sea, Fishman, mermaids and the dream to be a compass for the sea? .It's just a few more pieces I am missing in reference to nami

Also emerald city:

In real life we have something akin to poneglyps that happen to be made out of pure emerald that are unbreakable. Coincidentally seastone (in oepiece) are also emerald looking in color and are indestructible just like the poneglyphs onepiece. Which alludes to the onepiece poneglypha also being made out of some type of seastone. Now the crazy part is that in the movie wizard and the Oz and other fictional material we get a good look at how emerald city is depicted.

It looks like this:

Now doesn't this look familiar? We have seen it in onepiece via flashback.

Here's where it was shown in onepiece:

Here is an anime version

Those two pictures from onepiece (manga and anime) are the pictures of ...gods valley. The place where celestial dragons vacated. Very interesting that the lost island of emerald city (something stated to be a myth in onepiece) and gods valley a place no longer remotely even found on a map are both places that are complete mysteries in onepiece. I tend to believe that both are actually the exact same place.

Wann know what's so interesting? Is that lost city of Atlantis (in the real world) is also called emerald city. If this all connects then ..........wow