Questions & Mysteries Can S-Hawk use Haki? And could BB's CoA the best?

Can S-Hawk use Haki?

  • No, he can't, they find another method to replace CoA in his attacks (DF amp or another ability)

    Votes: 9 60.0%

  • Yes he can, doesn't make sense to cut mountain without Haki, and can't replace Mihawk without Haki

    Votes: 6 40.0%
  • Total voters
    15
Erkan12

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Forgot to mention it was 1 handed CoA block.

Not even 2 handed like Law vs. Doflamingo, or 3 Admirals at the same time using 2 hands vs. WB's long range random Tremor attack:






BB using only 1 hand means BB still had more CoA power than that, its not even his limit.



I think S-Hawk not being able to use Haki wouldn't make sense if it was that way considering Fujitora think they don't need Mihawk when they have S-Hawk:





Not being able to use CoA would be depowered, so without CoA Haki S-Hawk can't replace Mihawk, or they somehow replaced that problem with another method.

Can swordsman in One Piece cut a mountain without even amplifying their sword attack with Haki?

We've never seen that before.

Considering the size X density of the mountain rock vs. the size X density of a human size steel, cutting the mountain should require much more power than cutting human size steel.

So it doesn't make sense that S-Hawk cuts mountain without Haki, or if they find another method to replace CoA with DF or some kind of another technique.

Otherwise Zolo wasted his Haki for no reason even when he knows he won't be able to hit Pica's real body, he used CoA to cut Pica's Golem, means that Zolo needs CoA to make that kind of big sword slashes otherwise there was no need to waste his Haki.

If we consider that S-Hawk didn't use Haki, and cut the mountain with sheer physical strength, then its still incredibly impressive.

Because that would require MORE PHYSICAL strength than a swordsman with CoA Haki would require. Meaning that S-Hawk's slashes are physically should be more powerful than other swordsman, give that Hakiless Burgess sword skills do that, or that Nightmare Luffy could be an example for it but then cutting Oars a little bit is no where near as impressive as cutting a mountain.

Why physicality is important? Because we've seen that with much superior physicality you can overpower even Ad.CoA barrier.

Hakiless Pre-TS Luffy's attack is not working vs. Marigold's Ad.CoA:



Blocks easily.

Hakiless Pre-TS Luffy's G2 attack vs. Marigold's Ad.CoA:




Hakiless attack overpowers the CoA Haki barrier.

Considering Luffy's Hakiless G2 attacks were no where near close to destroying a mountain, anyone can do the math about the Haki level difference.

Or when Katakuri's CoA was > Luffy's CoA,



Luffy managed to overpower Katakuri's superior CoA with much superior physical strength difference via G4 form.





Much superior physical strength overpowered superior Haki.

BB's 1 handed CoA block (not even 2 handed fully powered) > S-Hawk's mountain level insane physical strength amped slash (if he has no Haki and no DF amplified) , if S-Hawk has CoA Haki its also impressive in any case.
 
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BillSlipton

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Erkan12 said:

Forgot to mention it was 1 handed CoA block.

Not even 2 handed like Law vs. Doflamingo, or 3 Admirals at the same time using 2 hands vs. WB's long range random Tremor attack:





BB using only 1 hand means BB still had more CoA power than that, its not even his limit.



I think S-Hawk not being able to use Haki wouldn't make sense if it was that way considering Fujitora think they don't need Mihawk when they have S-Hawk:





Not being able to use CoA would be depowered, so without CoA Haki S-Hawk can't replace Mihawk, or they somehow replaced that problem with another method.

Can swordsman in One Piece cut a mountain without even amplifying their sword attack with Haki?

We've never seen that before.

Considering the size X density of the mountain rock vs. the size X density of a human size steel, cutting the mountain should require much more power than cutting human size steel.

So it doesn't make sense that S-Hawk cuts mountain without Haki, or if they find another method to replace CoA with DF or some kind of another technique.

Otherwise Zolo wasted his Haki for no reason even when he knows he won't be able to hit Pica's real body, he used CoA to cut Pica's Golem, means that Zolo needs CoA to make that kind of big sword slashes otherwise there was no need to waste his Haki.

If we consider that S-Hawk didn't use Haki, and cut the mountain with sheer physical strength, then its still incredibly impressive.

Because that would require MORE PHYSICAL strength than a swordsman with CoA Haki would require. Meaning that S-Hawk's slashes are physically should be more powerful than other swordsman, give that Hakiless Burgess sword skills do that, or that Nightmare Luffy could be an example for it but then cutting Oars a little bit is no where near as impressive as cutting a mountain.

Why physicality is important? Because we've seen that with much superior physicality you can overpower even Ad.CoA barrier.

Hakiless Pre-TS Luffy's attack is not working vs. Marigold's Ad.CoA:



Blocks easily.

Hakiless Pre-TS Luffy's G2 attack vs. Marigold's Ad.CoA:




Hakiless attack overpowers the CoA Haki barrier.

Considering Luffy's Hakiless G2 attacks were no where near close to destroying a mountain, anyone can do the math about the Haki level difference.

Or when Katakuri's CoA was > Luffy's CoA,



Luffy managed to overpower Katakuri's superior CoA with much superior physical strength difference via G4 form.





Much superior physical strength overpowered superior Haki.

BB's 1 handed CoA block (not even 2 handed fully powered) > S-Hawk's mountain level insane physical strength amped slash (if he has no Haki and no DF amplified) , if S-Hawk has CoA Haki its also impressive in any case.



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Apollo

Apollo

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It is possible for Seraphim to have haki, but I don't see a reason why they could have advanced versions. If they do, then who taught them ? Or is it also some lineage factor fuckery by Vegapunk ?

As for BB's CoA, its good no doubt, but I would say its more of a feat for S-Hawk than BB. A top tier should be able to stop such an attack in some way.
 
ankama

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#8
I agree that physical strength can bypass Haki, but only if it's just Hardening, since the attack, whether it's a punch or a cut, is in direct contact with the body. There are many examples in the manga. But in the case of Adv. CoA, it all looks stupid and illogical, because the attack does not come into contact with the body and does not even bypass Haki protection (invisible armor, barrier, etc.) to touch the enemies body. It's like Luffy in the base with Adv. CoC and Adv. CoA fighting Kaido in a hybrid, leveling out the physical difference in strength with Advanced Haki usage.
In the case of a fight against the Gorgon sisters, Luffy could not win in any way, but this was necessary for the plot.
His first attack was repelled without touching Marigold's arm.
His second attack also had to be reflected, but for some reason Marigold flew off, although the attack did not even touch her hand (it was intact), but only her Haki.
The same thing happened with Sentomaru and Rayleigh. Rayleigh repelled the attack of the giant elephant with the same technique.
The elephant jumps with all its weight on Rayleigh, but he flies away from Adv CoA(Haki barrier). The principle is the same.
Luffy used not even 3 gear - power, but 2 gear - speed. Using 2 gear against Sandersonia to bypass her CoO, and 3 gear against Marigold to bypass her CoA, there was still room for discussion and argument, otherwise, I always thought this point was ridiculous.
The only possible thing is Luffy's CoC. He used CoC directly on the two of them, which broke their spirit, scared them, forced them to put the statues in place and compare him with Hancock, because of which the Gorgon sisters no longer believed in their victory and were in a hurry, losing concentration in battle. Because of which, they and Haki were unable to use normally, and began to miss attacks. But I'm already making up excuses for Oda for a badly written combat system.
Hyogoro said that with this technique, Luffy would even be able to deflect Big Mom's monstrously powerful punch in Udon to protect them. Because he couldn't use the technique correctly, it didn't work (maybe Gorgon sisters couldn't use the techniques properly because of Luffy's CoC, so they didn't succeed and were confused). But there was no such problem on the roof.
Due to the fact that Oda had to stretch the manga and introduce Hardening, Haki system turned into a mess. With Observation Haki, by the way, there is no such problem, as it has remained untouched and unchanged since the beginning of the manga.

And what about S-Hawk, he sould be able, otherwice I don't know, how they want to replace warlords. Maybe he has a DF based on weight or strength.
 
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Rmstorm

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ankama said:
I agree that physical strength can bypass Haki, but only if it's just Hardening, since the attack, whether it's a punch or a cut, is in direct contact with the body. There are many examples in the manga. But in the case of Adv. CoA, it all looks stupid and illogical, because the attack does not come into contact with the body and does not even bypass Haki protection (invisible armor, barrier, etc.) to touch the enemies body. It's like Luffy in the base with Adv. CoC and Adv. CoA fighting Kaido in a hybrid, leveling out the physical difference in strength with Advanced Haki usage.
In the case of a fight against the Gorgon sisters, Luffy could not win in any way, but this was necessary for the plot.
His first attack was repelled without touching Marigold's arm.
His second attack also had to be reflected, but for some reason Marigold flew off, although the attack did not even touch her hand (it was intact), but only her Haki.
The same thing happened with Sentomaru and Rayleigh. Rayleigh repelled the attack of the giant elephant with the same technique.
The elephant jumps with all its weight on Rayleigh, but he flies away from Adv CoA(Haki barrier). The principle is the same.
Luffy used not even 3 gear - power, but 2 gear - speed. Using 2 gear against Sandersonia to bypass her CoO, and 3 gear against Marigold to bypass her CoA, there was still room for discussion and argument, otherwise, I always thought this point was ridiculous.
The only possible thing is Luffy's CoC. He used CoC directly on the two of them, which broke their spirit, scared them, forced them to put the statues in place and compare him with Hancock, because of which the Gorgon sisters no longer believed in their victory and were in a hurry, losing concentration in battle. Because of which, they and Haki were unable to use normally, and began to miss attacks. But I'm already making up excuses for Oda for a badly written combat system.
Hyogoro said that with this technique, Luffy would even be able to deflect Big Mom's monstrously powerful punch in Udon to protect them. Because he couldn't use the technique correctly, it didn't work (maybe Gorgon sisters couldn't use the techniques properly because of Luffy's CoC, so they didn't succeed and were confused). But there was no such problem on the roof.
Due to the fact that Oda had to stretch the manga and introduce Hardening, Haki system turned into a mess. With Observation Haki, by the way, there is no such problem, as it has remained untouched and unchanged since the beginning of the manga.

And what about S-Hawk, he sould be able, otherwice I don't know, how they want to replace warlords. Maybe he has a DF based on weight or strength.
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Chapter 1036 and 1037 shows the haki usage you are talking about.
 
Vanlax

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They should be capable of learning COA and even COC for S-Hawk and S-Snake, since they have the genes of Mihawk and Boa.

It is Oda though, who knows what he'll do, he has a lot of inconsistencies.


:kayneshrug:
 
Murilo

Murilo

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Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier said:
..How does a mindless cyborg have the will required for Haki?
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Well, S-Snake is certainly not mindless and where there's a will, there's a way.
And if she is able to... so should the rest of them. We assume S-Hawk, S-Shark and S-Bear have no personalities unlike S-Snake but let's remind that Kuma, Mihawk and Jinbe's personalities are also kinda like that (serious, calm, not talkative).

I hope they're able to use Haki. It'll make them more formidable enemies for sure.
 
Thaidakar

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#17
Being able to produce haki in non-living objects (in addition to giving them df powers) would open a door to incredible scientific applications.

I don't think that's gonna be possible as haki is related to the will/soul of people. Something objects do not have. Unless they have 'eaten' zoan fruits, perhaps? :zorothink:
 
Murilo

Murilo

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Thaidakar said:
Being able to produce haki in non-living objects (in addition to giving them df powers) would open a door to incredible scientific applications.

I don't think that's gonna be possible as haki is related to the will/soul of people. Something objects do not have. Unless they have 'eaten' zoan fruits, perhaps? :zorothink:
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They're not machines/robots with the appearence of humans though... They're living beings, modified clones of humans, aren't they?
I think they most definitely have a will but it could be currently supressed by the WG.

The tricky part is the soul indeed. We know that's a thing in OP, but what's a soul there?
Something the God/s give when the mother gets pregnant? Or is it something that exists within people's Lineage Factor...? :zorothink:

If it's the latter, they should be able to use Haki too.
 
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