exactly, that's what luffy was doing before he learned he can infuse himself with coc, that's what he said was too shallow but then he learned he can do it with coc too and it wasn't shallow anymore
Zoro can touch things with his blades and cut them even with coc coating
Ryou is what makes the attack to not touch the target. Coc coating and Ryuo are two different things, one can use Ryuo and still be unable to use CoC coating, being "shallow" is just Luffy's way of interpreting it
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