General & Others Which clan is greater, Kozuki or Shimotsuki?

Which clan is greater?


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#21
Kozuki for heritage and
Shimotsuki for strength.
This man is right.

Pell or Vivi/Cobra.
Kyros or Rebecka/Riku.
Jinbei or Fukaboshi/Neptune.
Ryuma/Zoro or Oden/Momo.

Strongest warriors > Royal line in combat (99 % of the time, Oden the one exception)
Royals govern, warriors fight. Both are good in their own right.
 
#23
Shimotsuki obviously, anyone saying anything else is just a dumbass

This is as stupid as asking which D. family is the greatest and then refusing to accept the Monkey family is the greatest and saying dumb shit like Gol family is greater
 
#26
1 man is not enough
Oda Nobunaga is the greatest man in Japan history
Oda clan is nothing important before or after his death
A man that legend solely stop anyone to come to Wano even years after his death. If Oda Nobunaga has Ryuma’s rizz, Japan would still be a close country right now.

Ryuma’s ghost was more efficient at protecting Wano than the whole Kozuki’s clan:

-One would rather be a hobo living in the hood rather than tell that he was still alive and stop Orochi’s shenanigans
-An other would rather play Pirate than protect his country and rather dance for 5 years rather than fight back
-One kid is a coward and a liar and the other was a prostitute.
 
#30
Tbf Kozukis are certified bums too outside of a freak of nature like Oden.
his son will surpass him for a fact
that's 2 for 1 ... already a win
not to mention their MASSIVE role in void era
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A man that legend solely stop anyone to come to Wano even years after his death. If Oda Nobunaga has Ryuma’s rizz, Japan would still be a close country right now.
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your problem is that you are measuring greatness with power

Roger was equal to Whitebeard
but Roger is FAR greater in history of one piece
Kuzuki role in history is simply far more massive
even Ryuma himself was a "subject" to Kozuki name
 
#34
your problem is that you are measuring greatness with power

Roger was equal to Whitebeard
but Roger is FAR greater in history of one piece
Kuzuki role in history is simply far more massive
even Ryuma himself was a "subject" to Kozuki name
I don’t. I’m talking about he lasting impact the presence of Ryuma left onto the world : which is that no one dares to approach Wano, the land of gold, even years after his death. Imagine how impactful Ryuma have been if the Celestial Dragon who got everything their want renounce to take Wano. Wano was violated while the Kozuki was in charge.

1/ The Kozuki did not create the poneglyphs, they just know how to write one them which was common knowledge in Wano during Ryuma time

2/We don’t know who was the ruling family during Ryuma’s era furthermore the argument is asinine because that would mean that Walpol had more importance than Kureha, that the king of Luvneel had more importance than Norland, that Neptune have more importance than Jinbe
 
#36
that would mean that Walpol had more importance than Kureha, that the king of Luvneel had more importance than Norland, that Neptune have more importance than Jinbe
no
we are not talking about people
we are talking about a clan

1 man, no matter how impactful can't define his own clan
until another man with the family name of shimotsuki do something legendary
shimotsuki clan is only as important as other 5

and btw, people of Wano KNOW Ryuma was a shimotsuki and still see Kozuki as the greater one
99% Ryuma himself did the same
 
#37
no
we are not talking about people
we are talking about a clan

1 man, no matter how impactful can't define his own clan
until another man with the family name of shimotsuki do something legendary
shimotsuki clan is only as important as other 5

and btw, people of Wano KNOW Ryuma was a shimotsuki and still see Kozuki as the greater one
99% Ryuma himself did the same
Where this rule is coming from exactly? Ryuma’s legend surpass a all of the Kozuki accomplishments.

No one in Wano saw the Kozuki has greater than Ryuma :

-Hiory sacrifice her heirloom to get Ryuma’s sword back
-People in Wano think that it is because the sword was stole that country fell
-After defeating Kaido, Luffy was compare to Ryuma not Oden or any Kozuki
-Ryuma is seen as the sword god

The guy is treated as a freaking deity and his sword is a holy relic.
 
#38
I don’t. I’m talking about he lasting impact the presence of Ryuma left onto the world : which is that no one dares to approach Wano, the land of gold, even years after his death. Imagine how impactful Ryuma have been if the Celestial Dragon who got everything their want renounce to take Wano. Wano was violated while the Kozuki was in charge.

1/ The Kozuki did not create the poneglyphs, they just know how to write one them which was common knowledge in Wano during Ryuma time

2/We don’t know who was the ruling family during Ryuma’s era furthermore the argument is asinine because that would mean that Walpol had more importance than Kureha, that the king of Luvneel had more importance than Norland, that Neptune have more importance than Jinbe
Ryuma is not born in void century. He has nothing to do with old wano. He born 400 years after void century. Ryuma is born in Ringo and died in Ringo. To be leading clan. You need to be powerful. Kozuki in void century probably .

has fighter that far more powerful than ryuma. Kozuki is related to ancient weapon,zunesha and mink. Creation of defense of wano. Shimotsuki served the kozuki. Not other way around. Shimotsuki ushimaru is a bum compared to Oden. Shogun is literally mean amilitary ruler. Kozuki clan is clan of military ruler since void century.
 
#40
Where this rule is coming from exactly? Ryuma’s legend surpass a all of the Kozuki accomplishments.
we DON'T know
it's not same as it don't exist

when we saw the history of 900 years ago we will see it
kozuki are 100% are massive factors for the end war
Momo alone is needed for the final war of one piece ... Zoro is not btw
there are prophecies about Momo (as Yamato stated)
ffs, what do you need?
 
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