General & Others Which clan is greater, Kozuki or Shimotsuki?
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-Never said that Ryuma was born in the vois century.
-Wano never know any other samurais stronger than Ryuma the sword god
-And Kozuki Sakuyaki is a bum next to Ushimaru
-If one News to be strong to be shogun, Orochi would never had held this position
More than headcanons and pseudo prophecies.
Find me, in the actual story something the Kozuki did that match Ryuma’s god status and the fact that his sword is seen as an holy relic. There is none.
@Red Admiral
-Wano never know any other samurais stronger than Ryuma the sword god
-And Kozuki Sakuyaki is a bum next to Ushimaru
-If one News to be strong to be shogun, Orochi would never had held this position
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More than headcanons and pseudo prophecies.
Find me, in the actual story something the Kozuki did that match Ryuma’s god status and the fact that his sword is seen as an holy relic. There is none.
@Red Admiral
again. Ryuma being greater than Oden don't means shit in this argument ...
but somehow you refuse to understand it
there are countless great men who created one-man-kingdom and everything they did was gone after they died
we are talking about legacy, at least I am
Ryuma fought saving a legacy which Kozuki made
you assuming kozuki weren't the ruling clan when Ryuma was alive is just a pathetic story you are telling yourself
kozuki clearly were the big boss since 800 years ago
but somehow you refuse to understand it
there are countless great men who created one-man-kingdom and everything they did was gone after they died
we are talking about legacy, at least I am
Ryuma fought saving a legacy which Kozuki made
you assuming kozuki weren't the ruling clan when Ryuma was alive is just a pathetic story you are telling yourself
kozuki clearly were the big boss since 800 years ago
For argument sake let’s say the Kozuki are ruling clan of Wano since the creation of the country. What you are telling me is that one of their vassal did so much better than them as a whole that he outfamed them to the point that:
-The whole country see him as a deity while they has no qualms mocking one of the ruling family member as a “fool of a lord”
-The whole country see his sword has a holy relic which absence can decide the fate of the whole country
- One of the descendants of the said ruling family was eager to give away his heirloom (from another member of the said ruling family) to got the vassal sword back because it is so much important
-The world was more afraid about the vassal than the ruling family
Biit somehow this suppose to prove that the ruling family is a greater clan?
You basically saying that they’re frauds who ride on the coattail of one of their vassal accomplishments but they are somehow better than him.
-The whole country see him as a deity while they has no qualms mocking one of the ruling family member as a “fool of a lord”
-The whole country see his sword has a holy relic which absence can decide the fate of the whole country
- One of the descendants of the said ruling family was eager to give away his heirloom (from another member of the said ruling family) to got the vassal sword back because it is so much important
-The world was more afraid about the vassal than the ruling family
Biit somehow this suppose to prove that the ruling family is a greater clan?
You basically saying that they’re frauds who ride on the coattail of one of their vassal accomplishments but they are somehow better than him.
Ryuma is only 1 vassal
and why frauds?
ruler is not also the fighter ...
it's the JOB of fighter to save the rulers ...
again, people of Wano KNOW Ryuma form shimotsuki is the god of wano
and yet they ALL stand behind kozuki
p.s
kozuki overall importance in past and future of plot (entire world) is far far far above shimotsuki
we don't need even a proof for seeing this coming
you are better than this to deny this. I know.
and why frauds?
ruler is not also the fighter ...
it's the JOB of fighter to save the rulers ...
again, people of Wano KNOW Ryuma form shimotsuki is the god of wano
and yet they ALL stand behind kozuki
p.s
kozuki overall importance in past and future of plot (entire world) is far far far above shimotsuki
we don't need even a proof for seeing this coming
you are better than this to deny this. I know.
If one fighter outfamed the rulers during several generations that means that the rulers are not that great.
You say they “stand behind the Kozuki” as if they would not stand behind the Shimotsuki
At no point in the past the Kozuki importance was above the Shimotsuki. They did nothing that outfamed Ryuma in any shape or form.
Now if you want to live in a hypothetic future where Momo does greater things than Zoro, be my guest. But as it stands right now the Shimotsuki outclass the Kozuki by far.
You say they “stand behind the Kozuki” as if they would not stand behind the Shimotsuki
At no point in the past the Kozuki importance was above the Shimotsuki. They did nothing that outfamed Ryuma in any shape or form.
Now if you want to live in a hypothetic future where Momo does greater things than Zoro, be my guest. But as it stands right now the Shimotsuki outclass the Kozuki by far.
Kuina down the stairs. Not good for shimotsuki so far. They all bum only ryuma is relevant. Zoro is more of roronoa than shimotsuki. Kozuki is far more important. They the only clan that learn to read the poneglyph And without Oden there is no great pirate era. Ryuma don't have voice of all thing. Only kozuki has it.
Are you even serious?
Kozuki has been more important than Shimotsuki
Joyboy didn't make deal with Shimotsuki
It wasn't Shimotsuki that got minks as allies
It isn't shimotuski who got VoAT
It wasn't Shimotsuki that brought Joyboy Luffy to wano nor made Roger PK
Stop trying to make shimotuski as important as Kozuki
They're servants! They were never meant to be important as kozuki.
Imagine thinking Ryuma is more important than Kozuki when Kozuki are the reason why WG will fall due to people having poneglyphs and reading them to know the truths
Kozuki has been more important than Shimotsuki
Joyboy didn't make deal with Shimotsuki
It wasn't Shimotsuki that got minks as allies
It isn't shimotuski who got VoAT
It wasn't Shimotsuki that brought Joyboy Luffy to wano nor made Roger PK
Stop trying to make shimotuski as important as Kozuki
They're servants! They were never meant to be important as kozuki.
Imagine thinking Ryuma is more important than Kozuki when Kozuki are the reason why WG will fall due to people having poneglyphs and reading them to know the truths
Imagine not undertstanding that without Ryuma protecting this country all those connexions would be for nothing:
-Who stop the WG to pillage Wano ? Ryuma
-Whose legend protect the country after his death? Ryuma
-Who stoped pirates put they hand on pluton? Ryuma
When Wano is solely protected by the Kozuki and Ryuma legend is less strong, Wano turns to be a wasteland because :
-The Kozuki were unable to stop or put in place an injust manhunt that lead to building hate
-Sukiyaki and Oden were unable to see through Orochi shenanigans. They both were totally and completely manipulated by him. Where was there Voat?
-The Kozuki refuse to protect Wano => Oden rather be a pirate and Sukiyaki rather be a hobo in the hood
-Needs help of strangers to protect the country because they are too weak by themselves
=> What Oden tried to do with 10 scabbards, Ryuma did it alone and for years.
=> What Momo did with the help of the alliance, Ryuma did it alone and for years
It is only the incompetence of Kaido that stop him to find pluton, not the Kozuki.
It is only the fact that the WG don’t care about Wano that protect them from a
Marine onslaught not the Kozuki.
Without Ryuma and his legend all those connections would have been for nothing because this country would have been under pirates or WG rule for a longtime
-Who stop the WG to pillage Wano ? Ryuma
-Whose legend protect the country after his death? Ryuma
-Who stoped pirates put they hand on pluton? Ryuma
When Wano is solely protected by the Kozuki and Ryuma legend is less strong, Wano turns to be a wasteland because :
-The Kozuki were unable to stop or put in place an injust manhunt that lead to building hate
-Sukiyaki and Oden were unable to see through Orochi shenanigans. They both were totally and completely manipulated by him. Where was there Voat?
-The Kozuki refuse to protect Wano => Oden rather be a pirate and Sukiyaki rather be a hobo in the hood
-Needs help of strangers to protect the country because they are too weak by themselves
=> What Oden tried to do with 10 scabbards, Ryuma did it alone and for years.
=> What Momo did with the help of the alliance, Ryuma did it alone and for years
It is only the incompetence of Kaido that stop him to find pluton, not the Kozuki.
It is only the fact that the WG don’t care about Wano that protect them from a
Marine onslaught not the Kozuki.
Without Ryuma and his legend all those connections would have been for nothing because this country would have been under pirates or WG rule for a longtime