Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1077 Spoilers Discussion

[Jailer]

Yeah man but king was evading and blocking with his fire on after that.
Zoro didn't knew how strong his new powers was but king showed us that he was worried even with his flame on.
Fr there is no debate if adv COC users can damage a lunarian imo. Let's not forget that king's captain was one as well.

But why does Zoro say there's no point in attacking him when his flames turned on?

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Wdym Rooftop Luffy?

Wouldn’t that just be until he used Gear 5?

same question am asking

 

[zzShinichi]

Current zoro doesn't need conquerors to beat king

Read the panels
Zoro beating king with conquerors =/= zoro or anyone needs conquerors to hurt him

Ryokugyu beat both him and queen


With lunarian flame on yeah im not arguing against that

With lunarian flame off tho no
And conquerors coating isn't a needed essential to hurt lunarians. If you know how their body works you have a chance to

Yeah Adv COC isn't an absolute must if you have the offense capability that equals to it, and I have no doubt that Greenbull or any other toptier can dish out damage that can compare to Zoro's just unlocked KOH.

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

Wdym Rooftop Luffy?

Wouldn’t that just be until he used Gear 5?

Artificial power level created by Z bois

 

[Infitima]

One month before you

So we both saw the cover story as either past tense or 'currently happening,' as a lead in, rather than random unrelated.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

Cryyyyyyyyy

 

[Tensub]

I think all of the Vegapunk clones are traitors and they are plotting against Stella.

 

[L55]

what chapter exactly does rooftop luffy end ?
when he sent zoro downstairs?

1013

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

1013

so post adv coc
noted
..

 

[Kerkovian]

King low diffs roof top luffy

King negs Zolo without Enma, mink cum and Chopper's treatment and rooftop Luffy includes the Sun GOD whom King prays so he'd just be worshipper diffed by Luffy.

 

[Lor D. Coast]

Idk tbh because zoro could tell luffy, lucci, and kaku word for word that the only way to hurt the seraphim is to hit them while their flame is off and yall still for some reason would refuse to believe him
Even tho thats what he figured out against king

He's didn't suddenly get out of it
After unlocking koh mode he pulls out as much haki as he can against king till the fight ends
That's why he even says he has to end the fight quick. Tho i doubt you believed him there either

The Seraphim aren't King, they're clones of a kid version of King and the warlords, they don't have haki or a dino zoan but they're still bullet proof without the flame.
Zoro only hurt King with CoC. Fact
Zoro is not using KoH outside of named moves. Fact
Another top tier could barely hurt a no flame King. Fact
Kaku can kill a no flame Seraphim for all I care, that only means he's stronger than Katakuri.

 

[JoNdule]

Not this stupidity again
You don't need adcoc to beat King or seraphims (whether with flames or not)
Anyone can beat them if they tag them without their flames.

If you need adcoc, you need to prove why GB fodder attacks (no ryuo, adcoc used) was able to low diff King with Queen alongside.
They wouldn't be wiped out.

Anyway ,
Oda is an hack...he's been really bad as writer for 5+ years now
Offscreen good stuff to give fans useless plots and fights

 

[Jailer]

hmm forgot about that .

Everytime King was bleeding it was when he got attacks landed with his flames in his back turned off

 

[bennbeckman]

Also why didnt any of the Vegapunks tell the SHs about seraphins weakness LOL

 

[grey matter]

its a conversation because there are multiple ways to defeat opponents
unless you think zoro doesnt hurt katakuri without futuresight which luffy had to acquire to hurt katakuri(distraction aside).

Because Zoro and Luffy have different toolkits.
Zoro has a city block level AOE attack with his dragon twister. Katakuri dodges attacks by tweaking his logia-esque body, he can't tweak it around at such high AOE. We have seen that AOE is one of the counter to Katakuri's FS anyway.
So, unlike Luffy, Zoro doesn't need future sight to deal with Katakuri.

Current Zoro and even rooftop Zoro has attack power on a different level from WCI Luffy. So, he wouldn't need as much attacks to put down Katakuri either.

Against King, we know what is needed - you either need advanced conqueror's haki or hax to deal with his durability in defence mode.
We already saw that physical attacks from rooftop Zoro level, did absolutely nothing to King. Unless you think rooftop Luffy is capable of anything other than physical attacks, he isn't faring any better either.

 

[Lor D. Coast]

Artificial power level created by Z bois

Artificial because you know that Law and kidd get oneshotted by rooftop base Luffy while current G4 Luffy needs to team up with hybrid Lucci to push a seraphim back.

 

[Seth]

its a conversation because there are multiple ways to defeat opponents
unless you think zoro doesnt hurt katakuri without futuresight which luffy had to acquire to hurt katakuri(distraction aside).

FS to counter FS is both dead and alive.

Fortunately for us Zoro fans we have a solid argument in what Kaido presented. Prior to Kaido using his Future Sight he bypassed Luffy's FS with his attack speed.

Zoro is not very fast as per normal speed but his attack speed? He has one of the fastest attacks in the series.

+ What a lot already mentioned with AoE.

 

[zzShinichi]

Everytime King was bleeding it was when he got attacks landed with his flames in his back turned off

This just proves that King with Flame mode has one of, if not, the strongest defense in the OP.
Mfs tanked a few of Zoro's named KOH attacks too

Back to wanking King i guess

 

[Albino 👑]

no he could with koh
king started blocking even with his flames on

Zoro was definitely capable of hurting king before king of hell he just wasn't strong enough to really make use of it. Before koh king was able to overwhelm and overpower him for most the fight

The best tell for zoro being able to hurt king is honestly just looking at kings clothes. With him only being capable of cutting his clothes and therefore king while his flame was off
While his flame was on tho i didn't matter how strong his attacks were but king and his clothes would be perfect fine

1. We know zoro cut kings mask spike off panel
2. He cut more of it with tiger hunt
3. Cut even more of the mask off panel after unlocking koh mode
4. Cut his button up with bird dance
5. Then finally cutting his wing with dragon damnation

When zoro landed onigiri, tatsumaki, shisonson, etc. You can notice no matter how deadly it looked king and his clothes were fine
Oda basically showing king accumulating damage like a fighting gun character


King was blocking, avoiding, and disarming zoro even before koh

 

[grey matter]

You dont need conquerors to hurt lunarians

I obviously meant "defence mode" or "flame on mode"
Whatever you want to call it.

It is established that advanced armament attacks from Zoro couldn't damage King in that mode.

King took zero damage from shishisonson and dragon twister.
Dragon twister, the same attack with enough haki that had Kaido bleeding and reminded him of Oden.

King even allowed Zoro free hits and exploded himself, still no damage.