Powers & Abilities Does Kings flame off durability come from his race or fruit?

[Gol D. Roger]

Given that King borderline speed blitzes Zoro after doing it, yes, contrary to what Zoro himself said

Anyway, Zoro never said his durability drops by a little, you were wrong

Not sure how that changes anything about what Zoro says. Zoro's the one who's fighting King, and he's the one who confirmed only a little speed is gained. Sure, Zoro never directly said his defense only drops a little if that's what you're concerned about. At least you seem to agree that we don't know how much his defense drops. And the payment of losing night invulnerability in exchange for a little speed makes no sense no matter how much you try to avoid admitting it. He was eating Zoro's CoC attacks in flame-off mode as a matter of fact.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I don’t think this Zoro is much stronger than Punk Hazard version? And I’m not saying the attacks weak but I don’t think tanking it is some massive feat.

I'd put Rooftop Zoro a solid tier above Punk Hazard Zoro if not more.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I'd put Rooftop Zoro a solid tier above Punk Hazard Zoro if not more.

Rooftop Zoro was going all out with every attack, we see that he’s pumping insane amounts of haki into Enma before all of them. However, when he started fighting King that wasn’t the same.

I don’t think the attacks he used in the 1v1 are as strong as those he used on the rooftop until he let Enma bring out his CoC with King of Hell 3 sword style.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Rooftop Zoro was going all out with every attack, we see that he’s pumping insane amounts of haki into Enma before all of them. However, when he started fighting King that wasn’t the same.

I don’t think the attacks he used in the 1v1 are as strong as those he used on the rooftop until he let Enma bring out his CoC with King of Hell 3 sword style.

Nope, I don't believe that theory much. Enma got more focus on the rooftop but Zoro was using it to the same extent against King from the get-go. He bandana'd up, that's what Zoro does when he's serious in a fight, not when he's holding himself back.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Nope, I don't believe that theory much. Enma got more focus on the rooftop but Zoro was using it to the same extent against King from the get-go. He bandana'd up, that's what Zoro does when he's serious in a fight, not when he's holding himself back.

Was he? I don’t think we see any aura around Enma until later in the king fight, but it’s been a bit since I read it.

 

[ShadyOjiro]

Flame off it comes his DF and Haki.

His Haki should be high enough to resist Zoro otherwise his sword would have shattered.

King had a good combo.

 

[SkySanji]

Not sure how that changes anything about what Zoro says. Zoro's the one who's fighting King, and he's the one who confirmed only a little speed is gained. Sure, Zoro never directly said his defense only drops a little if that's what you're concerned about. At least you seem to agree that we don't know how much his defense drops. And the payment of losing night invulnerability in exchange for a little speed makes no sense no matter how much you try to avoid admitting it. He was eating Zoro's CoC attacks in flame-off mode as a matter of fact.

This never happened, clearly visible blood in all of these instances

And since I know you're going to bring it up, no, Zoro cutting King earlier before CoC and seemingly drawing blood are negged by Zolo himself saying that King's not bleeding, meaning everything before that statement is automatically directly confirmed to not have cut King.

:holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl:

 

[Gol D. Roger]

This never happened, clearly visible blood in all of these instances

I said he's eating them, not that they're not damaging him. You seem to miss that detail for someone who cares so much about pointless details to make a point.

And since I know you're going to bring it up, no, Zoro cutting King earlier before CoC and seemingly drawing blood are negged by Zolo himself saying that King's not bleeding, meaning everything before that statement is automatically directly confirmed to not have cut King.

Not sure why you bought that up. I think you're trying way too hard to hand me an L that you've lost track of what you're talking about.

 

[SkySanji]

I said he's eating them, not that they're not damaging him. You seem to miss that detail for someone who cares so much about pointless details to make a point.



Not sure why you bought that up. I think you're trying way too hard to hand me an L that you've lost track of what you're talking about.

So what the fuck is your point? That King's not dying to low tier attacks but getting one shot by peak ones? Cool, like that even needed to be said? That applies to everyone.

I don't have to hand you any L's, you do a good enough job earning them yourself.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

So what the fuck is your point? That King's not dying to low tier attacks but getting one shot by peak ones? Cool, like that even needed to be said? That applies to everyone.

I don't have to hand you any L's, you do a good enough job earning them yourself.

Calm down. I didn't even say anything. It's just you getting triggered that you can't make a point. It's not that deep, bro. Why are you so desperate to hand me Ls that you lose track of what you wanna say when you know I can do it to myself? Is this what they call projecting? lmao

 

[SkySanji]

Calm down. I didn't even say anything. It's just you getting triggered that you can't make a point. It's not that deep, bro. Why are you so desperate to hand me Ls that you lose track of what you wanna say when you know I can do it to myself? Is this what they call projecting? lmao

Using a textbook appeal to emotion fallacy in an attempt to move away from the fact that you have no argument

You could've just taken your L and moved on instead of dragging this out for a further two pointless posts

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Using a textbook appeal to emotion fallacy in an attempt to move away from the fact that you have no argument

You could've just taken your L and moved on instead of dragging this out for a further two pointless posts

I was responding pretty normally until you got desperate to look cool and made this a competition lmao. It took you 20 minutes to find one line to exploit, and you failed miserably. And all you can come up with is an uncreative generic response filled with L emojis, and you think you're in a position to lecture me about textbook appeal to what? lmao

 

[SkySanji]

I was responding pretty normally until you got desperate to look cool and made this a competition lmao. It took you 20 minutes to find one line to exploit, and you failed miserably. And all you can come up with is an uncreative generic response filled with L emojis, and you think you're in a position to lecture me about textbook appeal to what? lmao

Still no argument pertaining to the thread whatsoever, I don't care to bicker with you, if you're not going to focus on the thread's topic then fuck off and stop tagging me, thanks.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Still no argument pertaining to the thread whatsoever, I don't care to bicker with you, if you're not going to focus on the thread's topic then fuck off and stop tagging me, thanks.

Bro's so triggered that he forgot he's the one quoting me. :shame: I answered the thread, you find a loophole in it and pointed it to me. I admitted whatever you pointed out isn't wrong and gave you my reasons for saying what I said. It's you who made it personal because your intentions clearly weren't to have a proper discussion but to attack me. Fine, whatever it may be, I don't enjoy embarrassing you, so I'll stop responding for the sake of being respectful.

 

[SkySanji]

Bro's so triggered that he forgot he's the one quoting me. :shame: I answered the thread, you find a loophole in it and pointed it to me. I admitted whatever you pointed out isn't wrong and gave you my reasons for saying what I said. It's you who made it personal because your intentions clearly weren't to have a proper discussion but to attack me. Fine, whatever it may be, I don't enjoy embarrassing you, so I'll stop responding for the sake of being respectful.

I shit on your argument and then you tried shifting the argument towards my supposed emotions because you realized how invalid your point was lmao, just accept you were wrong and move on, it's not hard but you seem to struggle with it constantly.

 

[Wh1p]

Lunarian race as implied by the manga.

 

[CbShadow]

Do some of you honestly not read the manga or does your hatred for King and Zoro knows no bounds?

Lunarians natural durability is incredibly high without the flames.

Sanji's flame kick failed to damage a non-flame mode S-Shark.

Last chapter told us seraphims "toughness" comes from there lunarian DNA.

Fishman do not have a high durability, nor are they hard to damage. The Straw Hats easily damaged fishman during FMI. The SH were weaker back then.

 

[Albino 👑]

Do some of you honestly not read the manga or does your hatred for King and Zoro knows no bounds?

Lunarians natural durability is incredibly high without the flames.

Sanji's flame kick failed to damage a non-flame mode S-Shark.

Last chapter told us seraphims "toughness" comes from there lunarian DNA.

Fishman do not have a high durability, nor are they hard to damage. The Straw Hats easily damaged fishman during FMI. The SH were weaker back then.

That attack isn't taking out jinbe
Not getting one shot =/= not feeling pain

Comparing a jinbe clone to a normal Fishman to jinbe is like comparing a normal human to mihawk

 

[CbShadow]

That attack isn't taking out jinbe
Not getting one shot =/= not feeling pain

Comparing a jinbe clone to a normal Fishman to jinbe is like comparing a normal human to mihawk

I didn't say anything about that attack taking out anybody. I'm talking about Sanji failing to damage S-Shark because of his high durability. Which comes from the Lunarian DNA he received.

You are confusing durability with endurance. Roger and WB can both be cut by normal attacks from fodder because their bodies don't have high durability. Those attacks won't defeat them because of their high endurance.

Fishman can be easily damaged by much weaker attacks than the one Sanji used against S-Shark. So that proves Lunarians have high durability. King's durability comes from his lunarian powers.

The best way to determine a character's durability in the manga is by how well they can handle cutting attacks without receiving damage. The more durable the character the harder they are to cut.

 

[Albino 👑]

I didn't say anything about that attack taking out anybody. I'm talking about Sanji failing to damage S-Shark because of his high durability. Which comes from the Lunarian DNA he received.

You are confusing durability with endurance. Roger and WB can both be cut by normal attacks from fodder because their bodies don't have high durability. Those attacks won't defeat them because of their high endurance.

Fishman can be easily damaged by much weaker attacks than the one Sanji used against S-Shark. So that proves Lunarians have high durability. King's durability comes from his lunarian powers.

If his flame was off it hurt him
If jinbe gets hit by the same attack he'd be able to take it just the same

I know the difference

Jinbe isn't a your average Fishman
Just like mihawk or zoro or whoever you want to use isnt your average human