Oda let the readers know that Luffy is using everything he has learn even if it does not depicts the same visuals as when Luffy first used AdCoC..
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Oda let the readers know that Luffy is using everything he has learn even if it does not depicts the same visuals as when Luffy first used AdCoC..
lf it does not satisfy you then i will just stay with my speculation because you can not disprove my point of view either..
When Luffy used AdCoC for the first time he did not touch Kaido and that was the official introduction of that power..
The initial concept presented was AdCoC does not touch the adversary even with a weapon.. Where as CoA Ryuo does touch on a weapon but not on the fist..
When Luffy used AdCoC for the first time he did not touch Kaido and that was the official introduction of that power..
The initial concept presented was AdCoC does not touch the adversary even with a weapon.. Where as CoA Ryuo does touch on a weapon but not on the fist..
It satisfies nobody.
Burden of proof is on you. Zoro has AdCoC lightning like Kaido, BM, Yamato, etc. The reasonable assumption is that he's displaying the same ability as them.
You're claiming zoro doesn't have AdCoC because his blade touched King. Kaido did the same against Kinemon shortly after Luffy awakened AdCoC, while using AdCoC.
You have yet to tackle this glaring hole that dismantles your reasoning. You attempted to do this by ascribing fabricated intentions to Oda. Gonna need irrefutable, or at least reasonable, evidence to back that up.
Explain these
(Edit* second picture I posted may have been without physical contact. Kinemon point still stands tho)
Burden of proof is on you. Zoro has AdCoC lightning like Kaido, BM, Yamato, etc. The reasonable assumption is that he's displaying the same ability as them.
You're claiming zoro doesn't have AdCoC because his blade touched King. Kaido did the same against Kinemon shortly after Luffy awakened AdCoC, while using AdCoC.
You have yet to tackle this glaring hole that dismantles your reasoning. You attempted to do this by ascribing fabricated intentions to Oda. Gonna need irrefutable, or at least reasonable, evidence to back that up.
Explain these
(Edit* second picture I posted may have been without physical contact. Kinemon point still stands tho)
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It satisfies nobody.
Burden of proof is on you. Zoro has AdCoC lightning like Kaido, BM, Yamato, etc. The reasonable assumption is that he's displaying the same ability as them.
You're claiming zoro doesn't have AdCoC because his blade touched King. Kaido did the same against Kinemon shortly after Luffy awakened AdCoC, while using AdCoC.
You have yet to tackle this glaring hole that dismantles your reasoning. You attempted to do this by ascribing fabricated intentions to Oda. Gonna need irrefutable, or at least reasonable, evidence to back that up.
Explain these
(Edit* second picture I posted may have been without physical contact. Kinemon point still stands tho)
Burden of proof is on you. Zoro has AdCoC lightning like Kaido, BM, Yamato, etc. The reasonable assumption is that he's displaying the same ability as them.
You're claiming zoro doesn't have AdCoC because his blade touched King. Kaido did the same against Kinemon shortly after Luffy awakened AdCoC, while using AdCoC.
You have yet to tackle this glaring hole that dismantles your reasoning. You attempted to do this by ascribing fabricated intentions to Oda. Gonna need irrefutable, or at least reasonable, evidence to back that up.
Explain these
(Edit* second picture I posted may have been without physical contact. Kinemon point still stands tho)
The reasonable assumption is that it does not make sense for Zoro to have AdCoC when he just unleashed CoC and that is not his specialty that is the reasonable assumption that should take priority..
lt's always not touching, Oda just doesn't draw it most of the time, the trails are enough of a hint.. He made it clear in the manga when CoC Coating was introduced that they are not touching you should not try to disprove the given facts on a new power up just because it does not fit your narrative..
You are mistaken. Zoro has showed Ryuo in alabsta without having the ability to use basic CoA.
The narrative is so clear you are just biased i think. In order for Luffy to easily grasp the ability to channel CoC to his attacks which results in us naming it AdvCoC. He needed to learn to flow his haki aka "Ryuo". But Zoro already knows how to channel his Haki "flow" "Ryuo". So him tapping into channeling his CoC to his swords accidentally which made Kaido himself comment on Zoro having CoC. Is only natural since the progression of Zoro's haki seems to be in reverse to Luffy's. Always tapping into a higher state accidentally.
You keep on going on Oda drawing and what not.. You don't know what the man is doing in the 1st place. Let me debunk this notion that AdvCoC was not revealed before the not touching thing. the Oden flashback took place waaaay before we got the reveal of AdvCoC and Roger vs WB showed us not touching. But then later on Luffy got the idea from a touched attack... And then later on he kept touching and not touching Kaido. With the same affects of leakage of black lighting around their attacks.
You are the one who is not seeing because it does not fit your narrative view of Zoro being stronger than he is.
Speaking of Specialty then:-
- Sanji's special in Observation and yet Luffy has an advance form in the name of Future Sight while Sanji as far as we know does not.
- Zoro's special in Armament and yet Luffy has an advance form in the name of Internal Destruction while Zoro as far as we know does not.
Now Zoro's specialty actually helps him easily to master AdvCoC since he is very proficient in the art of flowing haki.
I don't know man you keep going around in a circle here...
The narrative is so clear you are just biased i think. In order for Luffy to easily grasp the ability to channel CoC to his attacks which results in us naming it AdvCoC. He needed to learn to flow his haki aka "Ryuo". But Zoro already knows how to channel his Haki "flow" "Ryuo". So him tapping into channeling his CoC to his swords accidentally which made Kaido himself comment on Zoro having CoC. Is only natural since the progression of Zoro's haki seems to be in reverse to Luffy's. Always tapping into a higher state accidentally.
You keep on going on Oda drawing and what not.. You don't know what the man is doing in the 1st place. Let me debunk this notion that AdvCoC was not revealed before the not touching thing. the Oden flashback took place waaaay before we got the reveal of AdvCoC and Roger vs WB showed us not touching. But then later on Luffy got the idea from a touched attack... And then later on he kept touching and not touching Kaido. With the same affects of leakage of black lighting around their attacks.
You are the one who is not seeing because it does not fit your narrative view of Zoro being stronger than he is.
Speaking of Specialty then:-
- Sanji's special in Observation and yet Luffy has an advance form in the name of Future Sight while Sanji as far as we know does not.
- Zoro's special in Armament and yet Luffy has an advance form in the name of Internal Destruction while Zoro as far as we know does not.
Now Zoro's specialty actually helps him easily to master AdvCoC since he is very proficient in the art of flowing haki.
I don't know man you keep going around in a circle here...
Lets keep simple.. You make the cardinal mistake to think that CoC Coating and Ryuo Emission is the same application because
it's an invisible orb around the fist.. But it's actually completely different that's why CoC and CoA are entirely separate class of Haki..
That's irrelevant man.. When AdCoC was revealed and shown seriously users are not touching period..
The invisible part of CoC Coating touched him obviously.. Like Shanks on kid..
it's an invisible orb around the fist.. But it's actually completely different that's why CoC and CoA are entirely separate class of Haki..
That's irrelevant man.. When AdCoC was revealed and shown seriously users are not touching period..
The invisible part of CoC Coating touched him obviously.. Like Shanks on kid..
All this crying over an armament haki ability 
1st KoH/adCoA+AdCoC attack was off panelled
2nd KoH attack Zoro is nowhere near King or the boulder
3rd attack was a regular CoC coating move, Zoro can't reach King's torso from under his boot.
Last panel, haki beam explodes on King's chest and Zoro is 3 meters below him.
KoH Zoro never touched King.
1st KoH/adCoA+AdCoC attack was off panelled
2nd KoH attack Zoro is nowhere near King or the boulder
3rd attack was a regular CoC coating move, Zoro can't reach King's torso from under his boot.
Last panel, haki beam explodes on King's chest and Zoro is 3 meters below him.
KoH Zoro never touched King.
I never said that they are the same application because the after affect is different from each others i am saying learning to "Flow" your Haki in general makes it easier to Coat yourself in CoC.
Haki is one thing "Will" all 3 types of Haki use 1 pool of Haki.
- You learn how to enhance your senses using your "Will".
- You learn how to arm yourself using your "Will".
- You control your "Will" to impose it on others. Only a select type of people can use their Will on others.
There now you can see my thinking of Haki. 3 different applications. That is originally 1 thing called "Will" which can be used differently with different applications and methods.
You think the flow method can't be used on CoC just like CoA. I say why and how was Luffy able to wield so easily? hmm go reread that chapter again and see which Flashback helped Luffy understand the method. Exactly Hyo's explanation of Flow.
The movie RED has introduced something new btw... in case you don't know. Future Sight Killer. oh wow i wonder what application does that use... CoC and CoO
Roger vs WB not touching was before the reveal and Oda drew them.
Haki is one thing "Will" all 3 types of Haki use 1 pool of Haki.
- You learn how to enhance your senses using your "Will".
- You learn how to arm yourself using your "Will".
- You control your "Will" to impose it on others. Only a select type of people can use their Will on others.
There now you can see my thinking of Haki. 3 different applications. That is originally 1 thing called "Will" which can be used differently with different applications and methods.
You think the flow method can't be used on CoC just like CoA. I say why and how was Luffy able to wield so easily? hmm go reread that chapter again and see which Flashback helped Luffy understand the method. Exactly Hyo's explanation of Flow.
The movie RED has introduced something new btw... in case you don't know. Future Sight Killer. oh wow i wonder what application does that use... CoC and CoO
Roger vs WB not touching was before the reveal and Oda drew them.
