Questions & Mysteries Is advanced CoC really only no touching?

[ZenZu]

It really is explained really poorly, as is all haki in general but especially this.

Luffy seems to be infusing his CoA barrier/ID with CoC so no touch while Kaido is just infusing his club so touch but then why is 2 AdCoC clashing always no touch?

I feel Oda just draws what he thinks looks cool in those clashes.

But if you think about it, if one person is using a barrier and the other is clashing with that barrier the clash will be non contact by default. So it's not necessarily proof Kaidou is using one.

I don't feel like checking but I don't remember a non contact clash Kaidou had with Yamato. If you could bring one to the table it'll change some things but there's also something else we can factor in:

Barrier haki (by default) =/= internal penetration. Oda has to give us a marker for when both are being used in conjunction with CoC and I believe it is that effect he uses when Big Mom punched Page 1, and Luffy is punching Kaidou. Kaidou has never been drawn with that effect even once.

 

[Rootbeer]

All these threads wouldn't even exist if Lolda would finally decide to properly explain haki. We're in the final saga and shit still confusing, not because it is a complex power system, but because the author won't explain shit.

Considering One Piece story and World is full of mysteries, it makes sense that the power system is also a riddle..

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It really is explained really poorly, as is all haki in general but especially this.

Luffy seems to be infusing his CoA barrier/ID with CoC so no touch while Kaido is just infusing his club so touch but then why is 2 AdCoC clashing always no touch?

AdCoC is always no touch.. It's just not always portrayed.. But it always is.. The reason is it would be messy to draw and read the manga if it was always Shown..

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

No he didn't. That was @Gol D. Roger argument. He was trying to refute Erkan's logic behind no touch>touch but Erkan made it clear that he is using false pretenses to refute his claim.

I came into the scene clarifying what CoA/aCoA usages really means. Kaido can't use internal destruction so the whole comparison is moot

Kaido used barriers once in the whole fight and it was the sky split… Are you saying Kaido chose to never use barriers when they were superior for no reason?

is this another big mom situation where she chose never to use CoC on law and kid?

 

[Buggy D Clown]

But if you think about it, if one person is using a barrier and the other is clashing with that barrier the clash will be non contact by default. So it's not necessarily proof Kaidou is using one.

Yeah I was thinking this too but it seems to be drawn half half unless Kaido's CoC is pushing inside Luffy's barrier and meeting half way with Luffy's CoC

 

[ZenZu]

Yeah I was thinking this too but it seems to be drawn half half unless Kaido's CoC is pushing inside Luffy's barrier and meeting half way with Luffy's CoC

It's just suspect how it's coveniently only in clashes with a confirmed advCoA user Luffy where Kaidou suddenly decides oh yea lemme use a barrier, if we didn't know blazing bagua was intended with contact it would also look like Kaidou is using a barrier to us.

Not with Yamato (IIRC), not in the attacks he lands against Luffy.

 

[Rootbeer]

Kaido used barriers once in the whole fight and it was the sky split… Are you saying Kaido chose to ever use barriers when they were superior for no reason?

is this another big mom situation where she chose never to use CoC on law and kid?

He used 2 more times to my knowledge.. Chapter 1011 and when Kaido thundered Bagua both Zoro and Law and the same time on Chapter 1010.. The AdCoC no touch effect was distorted due to speed, but it's there..

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Sworsdmen always want to touch meaning they always want to cut.. AdCoC is never cutting..

King flinged Zoro with his Swords on the right he made several spins in the air.. Somehow it's misinterpreted as Zoro using AdCoC no touch..

No, swordsmen sometime don’t want to cut… Remember… We learned that in Alabasta… In fact that was the MAIN THING that separated Zoro from Daz… that he could make swords NOT CUT anything… He even demonstrated it on panel that he can make his swords not cut… How have you forgotten this

Also we know for a fact that AdvCoC can cut since Zoro used it to cut King

wait WAIT WAITTTTTT NO…. don’t tell me you think Zoro DOES NOT HAVE ADVCOC… Right? Is this your premise?

 

[Midnight Delight]

wait WAIT WAITTTTTT NO…. don’t tell me you think Zoro DOES NOT HAVE ADVCOC… Right? Is this your premise

He has been arguing that for months

 

[sanjikun]

It is when Oda wants it to. Same as ACoA.

When Luffy broke Yamato's cuffs he was touching them and using ACoA. When he used Red Roc, same thing.

There is no rule here.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

He has been arguing that for months

I must have missed this… Good lord… @JoNdule your comrade is here

 

[Buggy D Clown]

It's just suspect how it's coveniently only in clashes with a confirmed advCoA user Luffy where Kaidou suddenly decides oh yea lemme use a barrier, if we didn't know blazing bagua was intended with contact it would also look like Kaidou is using a barrier to us.

Not with Yamato (IIRC), not in the attacks he lands against Luffy.

Yeah I think this makes most sense, it's Luffy's CoC infused barrier and Kaido is clashing with it.
But how do you explain Oden and Law's reactions?

 

[ZenZu]

Oda just needs to hire Togashi to provide a good explanation for Haki and all its applications

I'm fairly confident Oda doesn't know the nuances of haki that he's given birth to. He just makes shit up on the fly and keeps it open ended so he can keep making shit up on the fly in the future.

Togashi would have to tell Oda how Haki works to Oda himself.

 

[Midnight Delight]

I must have missed this… Good lord… @JoNdule your comrade is here

Even JoNdule was never this in denial

 

[Buggy D Clown]

He used 2 more times to my knowledge.. Chapter 1011 and when Kaido thundered Bagua both Zoro and Law and the same time on Chapter 1010.. The AdCoC no touch effect was distorted due to speed, but it's there..

So he has used it with touching is what you are saying?

 

[Rootbeer]

No, swordsmen sometime don’t want to cut… Remember… We learned that in Alabasta… In fact that was the MAIN THING that separated Zoro from Daz… that he could make swords NOT CUT anything… He even demonstrated it on panel that he can make his swords not cut… How have you forgotten this

Also we know for a fact that AdvCoC can cut since Zoro used it to cut King

wait WAIT WAITTTTTT NO…. don’t tell me you think Zoro DOES NOT HAVE ADVCOC… Right? Is this your premise?

Yet Zoro had to touch to not cut.. How are you going to know if you don't cut if you don't touch?..

And Zoro didn't use AdCoC because AdCoC is always not cutting..

 

[MonsterKaido]

Adv coc has haki trail behind it. Simple as that. The not touching thing is adv coa but it is confusing. Rooftop Luffy's g4 gatling attack was clearly touching Kaido but it was adv coa attack. It doesn't make sense unless either luffy still didn't perfected adv coa or the not touching thing is adv coa + adv coc.

 

[Rootbeer]

So he has used it with touching is what you are saying?

I'm saying Kaido portrayed the not touching AdCoC about 3 times total.. Well since splitting the sky is not touching as well.. His Clash against LinLin is not touching too.. But not shown once against as that was before the reveal..

 

[Buggy D Clown]

I'm saying Kaido portrayed the not touching AdCoC about 3 times total.. Well since splitting the sky is not touching as well.. His Clash agaisnt LinLin is not touching too.. But not shown once against as that was before the reveal..

But he does do touching AdCoC too right?

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

I'm fairly confident Oda doesn't know the nuances of haki that he's given birth to. He just makes shit up on the fly and keeps it open ended so he can keep making shit up on the fly in the future.

Togashi would have to tell Oda how Haki works to Oda himself.

Also Oda intentionally doesn’t want to explain anything

If he ever explains something even as simple as “Who has better armament haki than who”… He will start having to power scale any fights involved between the two characters

for example why is it that Whitebeard can clash evenly with Roger’s haki… like do Whitebeard and Roger have equal haki? But that doesn’t make sense because Whitebeard ALSO HAS the strongest paramecia fruit… Yet Roger was either equal or stronger than him… So what exactly raises Roger to Whitebeard level if their haki is equal? Is their haki not actually equal? In what way? Does Roger have higher haki reserves so he can last longer usisng AdvCoC? Does Roger have lower Haki Cooldowns than Whitebeard so he can spam those big AdvCoC attacks more than Whitebeard? Does their AdvCoA and AdvCoO come in anywhere here?

See what happens… This isn’t even getting intro he specifics of what haki even is or does… Just the simple question of “who has better haki than who” is beyond Oda’s willingness to explain

 

[Rootbeer]

But he does do touching AdCoC too right?

Well that's where i'm controversial i guess. But every AdCoC attacks are not touching it's just that most of the time it won't be
depicted..