I think you don't even comprehend the problem with that statement. But hey, there is nothingmore liberal and capitalistic than that.



THat's not how reality works.



So you exclude an already excluded group because of YOUR freedom of speech. And you don't understand the problem with that ? Yeah, you are clearly the quintessance of a right winger.



No its not. Even you can't accept certain things. Reality is not "I'm alone and I can do what I want even if it hurt people". The reality is that we are a social specie and we must find a way to live with each others. Your freedom ends where the freedom of others begins.


Fascism is far right wing ideology einstein. If you don't understand that, you don't understand fascism.
So you think that people depressed and suicidal should spend time online taking part in toxic discussions like this?Good thing you don't work on the mental health Industry.
 
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So you think that people depressed and suicidal should spend time online taking in part in toxic discussions like this?Good thing you don't work on the mental health Industry.
POlitical discussion should not be toxic or at least not toward certain groups of people, people like you are making them that way promoting the abolute freespeech mantra and by being unchecked by mods.

Toxicity doesn't come from the left, it comes from the right mate. Its you people who don't accept people the way they are, its you people who are willing to defend gun while there are mass shootings, its you people who are defending capitalism and liberalism, its you people (hi bob) who have a vendetta against women, its you people who deny the problem with today's masculinity and real sociological concept or class issue.

We are giving you science, art, sociology, datas, real life testimonies. And in reponse we have..

FEAR and TOXICITY
 
I think you don't even comprehend the problem with that statement. But hey, there is nothingmore liberal and capitalistic than that.



THat's not how reality works.



So you exclude an already excluded group because of YOUR freedom of speech. And you don't understand the problem with that ? Yeah, you are clearly the quintessance of a right winger.



No its not. Even you can't accept certain things. Reality is not "I'm alone and I can do what I want even if it hurt people". The reality is that we are a social specie and we must find a way to live with each others. Your freedom ends where the freedom of others begins.


Fascism is far right wing ideology einstein. If you don't understand that, you don't understand fascism.
Not it isn't,just because Hitler and Mussolini were nationalists it doesnt mean they were right wing.Stalin was a nationalist too.Fascism is a left wing thing and this narrative that it is a right wing thing is commie propanga that has been spread throught cultural marxism.
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POlitical discussion should not be toxic or at least not toward certain groups of people, people like you are making them that way promoting the abolute freespeech mantra and by being unchecked by mods.

Toxicity doesn't come from the left, it comes from the right mate. Its you people who don't accept people the way they are, its you people who are willing to defend gun while there are mass shootings, its you people who are defending capitalism and liberalism, its you people (hi bob) who have a vendetta against women, its you people who deny the problem with today's masculinity and real sociological concept or class issue.

We are giving you science, art, sociology, datas, real life testimonies. And in reponse we have..

FEAR and TOXICITY
Politics and Religion will always make people agitated because they are sensible topics.Depressed/Suicidal people should avoid discussions like this as often as possible.Also,i mean discussions,not debatse.No one in this thread has ever debated here.Debate means confronting ideas so both parties learn something.People here are having discussions,meaning this thread is a huge pissing contest.no one ever convinced anyone of anything here.
 
Not it isn't,just because Hitler and Mussolini were nationalists it doesnt mean they were right wing
They were, check history books.


Stalin was a nationalist too
Staline was not a fascist he was an authoritarian dictator. Fascism is a real political concept, you can't just say "everything is fascism".


Fascism is a left wing thing and this narrative that it is a right wing thing is commie propanga that has been spread throught cultural marxism.
You don't understand history, that's for sure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
 
POlitical discussion should not be toxic or at least not toward certain groups of people, people like you are making them that way promoting the abolute freespeech mantra and by being unchecked by mods.

Toxicity doesn't come from the left, it comes from the right mate. Its you people who don't accept people the way they are, its you people who are willing to defend gun while there are mass shootings, its you people who are defending capitalism and liberalism, its you people (hi bob) who have a vendetta against women, its you people who deny the problem with today's masculinity and real sociological concept or class issue.

We are giving you science, art, sociology, datas, real life testimonies. And in reponse we have..

FEAR and TOXICITY
See:"you don't agree with me?then you are xyz."
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They were, check history books.



Staline was not a fascist he was an authoritarian dictator. Fascism is a real political concept, you can't just say "everything is fascism".



You don't understand history, that's for sure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
NAZISM=German national socialism.
 
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They were, check history books.



Staline was not a fascist he was an authoritarian dictator. Fascism is a real political concept, you can't just say "everything is fascism".



You don't understand history, that's for sure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
Because wikipedia says so it is then lol The soviets did exactly this"Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy".But wait,they weren't communists either,right?:myman:
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The left is most definetly capable of being toxic, especially among themselves. But the alt right is borderline fascistic, Especially in countries like the US.
thanx toby,we don't agree with most of the stuff we post,but at least you are honest enough to admit that the left aint no saint either.They did many genocides and started quite a few wars not so long ago.
 
This is the thesaurus definition of fascism, just in case people here feel the need to change the definition of it.

"Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race."
 
NAZISM=German national socialism.
:seriously: Read history books. That's the most basic error of understanding of fascism.

The left is most definetly capable of being toxic, especially among themselves.
INdeed, among the left there can be toxicity (and that's also problematic) but in a debate between a right winger and a leftist, the leftist will rarely be the one being the most toxic.


Because wikipedia says so it is then lol The soviets did exactly this"Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy".But wait,they weren't communists either,right?:myman:

You are making my point here
 
This is the thesaurus definition of fascism, just in case people here feel the need to change the definition of it.

"Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race."
you just quoted wikipedia like we did,there are people that question that definition of fascism.Taking out the racial stuff,communism can fit the same exact criteria,because:they centralize power,they supress opposition,believe in a natural social hierachy(capitalism corrupted it,google primive communism),supression of individual interests for the perceid good of the nation and militarism of course.Fascism is the same thing as communism in pratice.Hitler ruled just like Stalin,he just didn't abolish private property at the same scale.
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Most of you guys aren't intellectually honest. somebody has to be.
these academical definitions arent intellectually honest to begin with.
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:seriously: Read history books. That's the most basic error of understanding of fascism.


INdeed, among the left there can be toxicity (and that's also problematic) but in a debate between a right winger and a leftist, the leftist will rarely be the one being the most toxic.





You are making my point here
oh right,because its the right wing people that break public/private property and engage the polices in fights....
 
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I think you don't know the concept of "the voice of the people"..
"Taking out the racial stuff,communism can fit the same exact criteria,because:they centralize power,they supress opposition,believe in a natural social hierachy(capitalism corrupted it,google primive communism),supression of individual interests for the perceid good of the nation and militarism of course.Fascism is the same thing as communism in pratice.Hitler ruled just like Stalin,he just didn't abolish private property at the same scale".Challenge the notion that communism and fascism are similar now.
 
you just quoted wikipedia like we did,there are people that question that definition of fascism.Taking out the racial stuff,communism can fit the same exact criteria,because:they centralize power,they supress opposition,believe in a natural social hierachy(capitalism corrupted it,google primive communism),supression of individual interests for the perceid good of the nation and militarism of course.Fascism is the ame thing as communism in pratice.Hitler ruled just like Stalin,he just didn't abolish private property at the same scale.
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these academical definitions arent intellectually honest to begin with.
True communism in practice has never actually existed. Yes, Bolshevik communism was authoritarian, but that doesn't mean communism is authoritarian by nature. Bare in mind before you make any accusations that I am no communist in any sense of the word, but it pisses me off when people on the right misrepresent a lot of the communist arguments just to demonize it. I believe in Social Democracy in the short term and Democratic socialism in the long run. These ideologies are at their very core anti authoritarian.
 
True communism in practice has never actually existed. Yes, Bolshevik communism was authoritarian, but that doesn't mean communism is authoritarian by nature. Bare in mind before you make any accusations that I am no communist in any sense of the word, but it pisses me off when people on the right misrepresent a lot of the communist arguments just to demonize it. I believe in Social Democracy in the short term and Democratic socialism in the long run. These ideologies are at their very core anti authoritarian.
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True communism in practice has never actually existed. Yes, Bolshevik communism was authoritarian, but that doesn't mean communism is authoritarian by nature. Bare in mind before you make any accusations that I am no communist in any sense of the word, but it pisses me off when people on the right misrepresent a lot of the communist arguments just to demonize it. I believe in Social Democracy in the short term and Democratic socialism in the long run. These ideologies are at the very core anti authoritarian.
ohh really and how come are you going to make a revolution if you can't overthrow big business owners and the political/military and religious aspect of a society?Classical Marxism requires authoritarism to exist.They even abolished religion.Russia and China have open markets but are still dictatorships.North Korea and Cuba are still dinossaurs,they have a soviet style regime still.
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I think you don't know the concept of "the voice of the people"..
more like the fists,bricks,molotovs and weapons of the people lol
 
ohh really and how come are you going to make a revolution if you can't overthrow big business owners and the political/military and religious aspect of a society?Classical Marxism requires authoritarism to exist.They even abolished religion.Russia and China have open markets but are still dictatorships.North Korea and Cuba are still dinossaurs,they have a soviet style regime still.
What are you on about dude? What revolution? Me and who else? @Mr. Reloaded and the boys? Social Democracy already exists extensively in Europe. Go look what Democratic Socialism and Social Democracy is cause it doesn't seem like you really know what they are.
 
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