Questions & Mysteries The reason why Yamato didn't join the Straw Hats?
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She didn't look strong against Kaidou when she was taking a one-sided beating.
She could have died here if Kaidou wasn't her father.
She could have died here if Kaidou wasn't her father.
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No way, especially when Kaidou randomly decides to exit his hybrid form, in which he was dueling, and returns to his base form, symbolizing the end of the fight. Yamato, who possesses a mythical Zoan, recovering after a period of time passes and all of Luffy's and Dragon Momo's gag happening, is not in her favor, because during this recovery period, in which Kaidou, for some reason, stopped attacking her, he could have been hitting her with much more powerful blows than just swinging his Kanabo.
The strikes Kaidou used here don't even compare to his casual attacks in chapter 1043, where he was attacking the CP-0 agent. Those were truly the blows of a bloodthirsty Kaidou, and when compared to the strikes he used on Yamato here, it doesn't seem like he was actively trying to kill her.
Otherwise, there would be no reason for Kaidou to decide to stop attacking and revert to his human form when Yamato is still breathing. It was purely plot-driven, and the fact that she is standing up again and actively well is because Kaidou spared her.
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I give due credit to Yamato, and honestly, you won't see me denigrating her. However, Kaidou intentionally spared her from defeat. I'm not sure if it was for plot reasons, but comparing the strikes from an enraged Kaidou in chapter 1043 to the ones Yamato received here is a bit unfair because the attacks in chapter 1043 were much more powerful. Kaidou's decision to end the fight and revert to his human form while Yamato was still breathing is concrete proof that he did not try to kill her, unless Kaidou cannot distinguish between the living and the dead, which I find unlikely.
She fulfilled her purpose of delaying/holding off Kaidou until Luffy's return, and in that sense, she won. She also performed well in combat, but in the end, Kaidou didn't permanently defeat her purely because of the plot and their familial ties. Otherwise, Kaidou could have killed her, and there were plenty of opportunities for him to do so.
She also withstood Kaidou's casual strikes well. Her mythical Zoan, which is likely awakened, is excellent in terms of resistance. Although she was seen trembling and falling to her knees later on even after devising a countermeasure for Kaidou's TB and even though she nullified some of the damage, she still suffered terrible consequences that could have cost her the fight against Kaidou if she were still fighting him. However, she didn't take long to recover.
She fulfilled her purpose of delaying/holding off Kaidou until Luffy's return, and in that sense, she won. She also performed well in combat, but in the end, Kaidou didn't permanently defeat her purely because of the plot and their familial ties. Otherwise, Kaidou could have killed her, and there were plenty of opportunities for him to do so.
She also withstood Kaidou's casual strikes well. Her mythical Zoan, which is likely awakened, is excellent in terms of resistance. Although she was seen trembling and falling to her knees later on even after devising a countermeasure for Kaidou's TB and even though she nullified some of the damage, she still suffered terrible consequences that could have cost her the fight against Kaidou if she were still fighting him. However, she didn't take long to recover.
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I do think Oda had intended for Yamato to join but then took his break to wrap up his story and cut her loose.
Either way I took a huge L on Yamato not joining which is why I'll no longer contribute on the Next Nakama thread that's my consequences of my L.
Shame a certain fanbase don't do the same with powerscaling after their huge ass L.
Either way I took a huge L on Yamato not joining which is why I'll no longer contribute on the Next Nakama thread that's my consequences of my L.
Shame a certain fanbase don't do the same with powerscaling after their huge ass L.
Many readers expected Yamato to join the Straw Hats already in the Wano Arc, but this did not happen. And even though I'm not a fan of Yamato, but rather dislike her, I'm quite sure that Yamato will become part of the Straw Hats. Still, due to the fact that Yamato did not become part of the pirate crew, many readers decided that no one else would join the Straw Hats. Because of what such rumors appeared and the assumption that Blackbeard's team was also reduced in the number of planned crew members.
However, we must remember that we learned about Blackbeard's 10 subordinates back in the Dressrose arc. The same can be said about the Straw Hats, since Luffy planned 10 team members at the very beginning of the story, not counting himself. Later, in the Post Marineford arc, Luffy repeated his words about wanting to recruit 10 crew members.
Then the question arises, did Oda change his mind? Let the example of Jinbe be the answer.
When Luffy invited Jinbe to join his pirate crew, Jinbe refused his offer, stating that he still had unfinished business and if Luffy invited him back later, Jinbei promised to join the Straw Hats. Later, many readers speculated that Jinbei would not join the team because he would be killed before becoming a Straw Hat or immediately after. Remembered in the Big Mom arc, readers, myself included, thought that Jinbe paid with his life for leaving the Yonko team.
But in the end, Jinbe joined the Straw Hats and became officially the 9th member of Luffy's pirate crew. And this despite the fact that he joined so late, right after the Wano arc, which was right before the end of the story.
Why didn't Oda let Jinbe join the team sooner? Let's imagine how much the events of the Punk Hazard, Dressrose, and even Zoya arc would change if Jinbe were part of the Straw Hats. Jinbe was much stronger than Zoro, Sanji, and possibly even stronger than Luffy. While in the Fish-Man Island arc, it might have seemed to us that Luffy was slightly stronger than Jinbe, but after the Wano arc, it becomes quite clear how strong Jinbe already was back then. After all, it was Jinbe who saved Luffy from Akainu in the Marineford War.
Why am I saying all this? Because I'm sure Yamato is in exactly the same situation. Yamato did not join the Straw Hats because she is very strong. Oda wants to focus on developing the main Straw Hats rather than the new Yamato, which is more than enough revealed in the Wano arc. In the end, Yamato was able to face Kaido head-on, without any support, in a one-on-one battle. Moreover, Yamato didn't even show the Awakening of her Fruit, and if she awakens it, her power will increase tenfold. Yamato's strength is most likely incomparable to the strength of the current Straw Hats, not counting Luffy, who, however, may be weaker than Yamato with Awakened Fruit.
Thus, having Yamato on the team would reduce the degree of tension that Oda gave us by announcing that Kizaru himself and Saturn, along with a hundred ships, would soon arrive on the island where the Straw Hats are located. And the battles with the Seraphim would have been much easier if Yamato was now part of the pirate team.
That's why Oda didn't let Yamato join the Straw Hats, but let us know that it wasn't her time yet. Why would Yamato become part of the Straw Hats? Because this is her dream - to repeat the path that Oden walked. As we know, Oden joined Roger at the very end, and Yamato will repeat his path when she joins the Straw Hats before they sail to Raftel, or the last island of the Grand Line.
How many more arcs are left before the Straw Hats go to Raftel? First, they need to resolve the issue with Vegapunk and survive the meeting with Kizaru and Saturn. After that, the Straw Hats must still visit the island of giants Elbaf, and they must also find the person who has the last Poneglyph, and only after that the Straw Hats will be able to go to Raftel. Yamato can join the Straw Hats in either of these arcs.
We'll likely see a side story about Yamato's adventures in Wano Country very soon, ending with Yamato sailing away from Wano to join the Straw Hats.
However, we must remember that we learned about Blackbeard's 10 subordinates back in the Dressrose arc. The same can be said about the Straw Hats, since Luffy planned 10 team members at the very beginning of the story, not counting himself. Later, in the Post Marineford arc, Luffy repeated his words about wanting to recruit 10 crew members.
Then the question arises, did Oda change his mind? Let the example of Jinbe be the answer.
When Luffy invited Jinbe to join his pirate crew, Jinbe refused his offer, stating that he still had unfinished business and if Luffy invited him back later, Jinbei promised to join the Straw Hats. Later, many readers speculated that Jinbei would not join the team because he would be killed before becoming a Straw Hat or immediately after. Remembered in the Big Mom arc, readers, myself included, thought that Jinbe paid with his life for leaving the Yonko team.
But in the end, Jinbe joined the Straw Hats and became officially the 9th member of Luffy's pirate crew. And this despite the fact that he joined so late, right after the Wano arc, which was right before the end of the story.
Why didn't Oda let Jinbe join the team sooner? Let's imagine how much the events of the Punk Hazard, Dressrose, and even Zoya arc would change if Jinbe were part of the Straw Hats. Jinbe was much stronger than Zoro, Sanji, and possibly even stronger than Luffy. While in the Fish-Man Island arc, it might have seemed to us that Luffy was slightly stronger than Jinbe, but after the Wano arc, it becomes quite clear how strong Jinbe already was back then. After all, it was Jinbe who saved Luffy from Akainu in the Marineford War.
Why am I saying all this? Because I'm sure Yamato is in exactly the same situation. Yamato did not join the Straw Hats because she is very strong. Oda wants to focus on developing the main Straw Hats rather than the new Yamato, which is more than enough revealed in the Wano arc. In the end, Yamato was able to face Kaido head-on, without any support, in a one-on-one battle. Moreover, Yamato didn't even show the Awakening of her Fruit, and if she awakens it, her power will increase tenfold. Yamato's strength is most likely incomparable to the strength of the current Straw Hats, not counting Luffy, who, however, may be weaker than Yamato with Awakened Fruit.
Thus, having Yamato on the team would reduce the degree of tension that Oda gave us by announcing that Kizaru himself and Saturn, along with a hundred ships, would soon arrive on the island where the Straw Hats are located. And the battles with the Seraphim would have been much easier if Yamato was now part of the pirate team.
That's why Oda didn't let Yamato join the Straw Hats, but let us know that it wasn't her time yet. Why would Yamato become part of the Straw Hats? Because this is her dream - to repeat the path that Oden walked. As we know, Oden joined Roger at the very end, and Yamato will repeat his path when she joins the Straw Hats before they sail to Raftel, or the last island of the Grand Line.
How many more arcs are left before the Straw Hats go to Raftel? First, they need to resolve the issue with Vegapunk and survive the meeting with Kizaru and Saturn. After that, the Straw Hats must still visit the island of giants Elbaf, and they must also find the person who has the last Poneglyph, and only after that the Straw Hats will be able to go to Raftel. Yamato can join the Straw Hats in either of these arcs.
We'll likely see a side story about Yamato's adventures in Wano Country very soon, ending with Yamato sailing away from Wano to join the Straw Hats.
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kaido is a softie. his true persona is the smiling friendly guy who had dreams you saw for like 2 panels in his tiny flashback. behind all the drinking and depression and hatred of everyone he really isn't all that coldblooded.
It honestly feels like Oda decided not to let her join at the last moment so take that as you want.
She is definitely not stronger than Zoro by any means be it haki (especially armament), physical strength, endurance and AP. Tho she isn’t far off of him overall, but Sanji? is a different case.
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She is definitely not stronger than Zoro by any means be it haki (especially armament), physical strength, endurance and AP. Tho she isn’t far off of him overall, but Sanji? is a different case.
Zoro endurance - lose coutiousness after Kamazo fight and King.
Yamato Endurance - didn't get any real damage from Kaido due her zoan fruit abilities.
Yamato haki - fight one on one against Kaido without joking, without some time limit abilities with huge drawback;
Yamato use ACOC all time even against Ulti - Zolo strugling against Seraphim, don't use ACOC
Now question is could Zoro with strugling defeat Yamato if she was enemy? Answer is,yes...exreme diff, but with Asura etc that could happen. Still overall Yamato is above Zoro
Yamato Endurance - didn't get any real damage from Kaido due her zoan fruit abilities.
Yamato haki - fight one on one against Kaido without joking, without some time limit abilities with huge drawback;
Yamato use ACOC all time even against Ulti - Zolo strugling against Seraphim, don't use ACOC
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Now question is could Zoro with strugling defeat Yamato if she was enemy? Answer is,yes...exreme diff, but with Asura etc that could happen. Still overall Yamato is above Zoro
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Jesus Christ, just move on already. There won’t be another SH. You need to accept the fact that Yamato was nothing more than a massive waste of time for everyone.
I wish moderators would do the right thing and permanently close the next Nakama thread already.
I wish moderators would do the right thing and permanently close the next Nakama thread already.
Serious though, It's Wmoker or Vivi or nobody.
Jesus Christ, just move on already. There won’t be another SH. You need to accept the fact that Yamato was nothing more than a massive waste of time for everyone.
I wish moderators would do the right thing and permanently close the next Nakama thread already.
I wish moderators would do the right thing and permanently close the next Nakama thread already.
You are right about Luffy and Sanji though.
Yes that was mostly the case to have Monster Trio still a thing. So Sanji has to surpass Yamato for her to join.
Jinbei tanked Akainu and I doubt that anyone was able to do that on fishman island.
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Dude, Zoro low diffed Pica. I won't even compare it to Luffy because Luffy wouldn't be able to beat Pica since he can't divide his body from the ground.
I don't even like Asura but since you bring it. Asura doesn't lack speed and power since Zoro while in Asura after blocking and tanking Hakai still blocked Kaido's attacks and blitzed him.
Zoro lost consciousness to Yeti brothers and Luffy felt down because of Flampee. Those are plot feats. Really want to take them serious? Let's talk about Hody that almost killed Luffy. Hody > Caesar, Doflamingo, Katakuri, Kaido?
Zoro could tanked Akainu fist better than Jinbei that ended up with his hand burned. Out of timeskip Zoro and Onigashima Zoro (before CoC coating upgrade) is almost the same. Zoro didn't had hard fights to force himself to grown. So pretty much the same Zoro at Fishmen Island could block Hakai which is way stronger than Akainu's fist.
I don't even like Asura but since you bring it. Asura doesn't lack speed and power since Zoro while in Asura after blocking and tanking Hakai still blocked Kaido's attacks and blitzed him.
Zoro lost consciousness to Yeti brothers and Luffy felt down because of Flampee. Those are plot feats. Really want to take them serious? Let's talk about Hody that almost killed Luffy. Hody > Caesar, Doflamingo, Katakuri, Kaido?
Zoro could tanked Akainu fist better than Jinbei that ended up with his hand burned. Out of timeskip Zoro and Onigashima Zoro (before CoC coating upgrade) is almost the same. Zoro didn't had hard fights to force himself to grown. So pretty much the same Zoro at Fishmen Island could block Hakai which is way stronger than Akainu's fist.