Chapter Discussion Garling & Fujitora

[Xione]

The fight literally happened in the middle of the Holy City. I find it very difficult to belive that no one saw anything.

And we are taking about two admirals fighting, not two random fighters.

The CP0 themselves stood from far away and watched instead of assisting the admirals, due to the intensity of the fight. The highest of the CD, Gorosei, had no clue about it, until it had already happened.

Literally nobody is going to go close to that area long as the two admirals are there. And y'all are making it seem like they fought for hours lol. Hell the entire operation lasted for few hours and they was out.

-> RA commanders put up a good fight vs the admirals
-> lindberg starts freeing the slaves and Fujitora subtly starts helping
-> Aramaki "gets pissed off" and has a clash against Fujitora
......
HENCE, the Director of the Investigative Branch of the Marines said the RA commanders escaped due to the admirals not being able to showcase their powers. With 0 mentioning of Fujitora being the reason he escaped.


Whether you find it difficult to believe that or not is a different story than whether it happened or not. It is not as if the fight between the two admirals was resulting in massive destruction... like no.. that was already established that they wasn't gone be fucking up Mariejois. And as to what part of Mariejois it happened, idk how you can claim it happened in the middle of the holy city, when we don't even know.

 

[ZenZu]

They don't know.

Tensei did his investigation and came to the conclusion the reason RA commanders escaped was due to the admirals not being able to bring out their true powers.

The fight is only brought up by Jabra who was watching from far.

So the likelihood of the CD knowing is pretty low, as most of the CD would've been evacuated from that area. And more than likely Jabra and co who did see the fight happening, didn't report it.

Why didn't Greenbull snitch?

He fought him over it, and they failed the mission. That'd be weird to keep out of a mission report.

 

[Dragon777]

Some slaves running away wasn't a big deal anyway. Tensei didn't report it to Sakazuki wich mean no one really care about that.

Freeing the slaves was one of the objectives of the Revolutionary and was also the main point of the legendary attack of Fisher Tiger.
All FI's FB was based on the fact that the Marines were ordered to retrieve them and capture Fisher Tiger.

Freeing saves is always a big deal.

 

[Borasey79]

Why didn't Greenbull snitch?

A thing called friendship. GB's intro in sillouette form already showed them being friends.

 

[Xione]

Why didn't Greenbull snitch?

He fought him over it, and they failed the mission. That'd be weird to keep out of a mission report.

Cause they're homies, which is what Oda establishes at the very start of the reverie.

The bro literally ignored Akainu's order of forcing Fujitora out of Mariejois. And was instead having lunch with him while Fujitora told him the shit was gone do.

As to why he "fought" him, we only know it from Jabra's perspective, who was watching from far away, he assumes he fought Fuji over freeing of the slaves. For all we know it was a damn misunderstanding lol.

 

[Sugoi]

Some slaves running away wasn't a big deal anyway. Tensei didn't report it to Sakazuki wich mean no one really care about that.

its a huge deal especially to garling who executed mjosguard just for preventing one person from becoming a slave and here is fujitora freeing multiple of them, literally going directly against the celestials wishes in their homeland

 

[Kyou]

I don't think he has say over admirals

 

[Dragon777]

Whether you find it difficult to believe that or not is a different story than whether it happened or not. It is not as if the fight between the two admirals was resulting in massive destruction... like no.. that was already established that they wasn't dC be fucking up Mariejois. And as to what part of Mariejois it happened, idk how you can claim it happened in the middle of the holy city, when we don't even know.

No: the point of the reasoning is not me finding it difficult to believe or not; it is finding your reasoning sound, which isn't imho lol.

You first made a - baseless - assumption that someone working for a CDs did not report the reason why the CD's slaves were able to flee. Then, you proceeded to tell us that two admirals fought and no one saw it, when even when they were fighting against the Rev they were destroying the City.
As for the location of the fight, you just have to look for the pics: you can clearly see buildings in the background.

So again, you could believe what you want, but let's not pretend that you are just explaining us the truth and any other explanation is wrong lol.

 

[ZenZu]

Cause they're homies, which is what Oda establishes at the very start of the reverie.

The bro literally ignored Akainu's order of forcing Fujitora out of Mariejois. And was instead having lunch with him while Fujitora told him the shit was gone do.

As to why he "fought" him, we only know it from Jabra's perspective, who was watching from far away, he assumes he fought Fuji over freeing of the slaves. For all we know it was a damn misunderstanding lol.

He put his homies in bandages though, pretty serious for two Admirals to be going at each other in the middle of an important mission. It's wild if this wasn't reported or didn't make its way up to Akainu and the Gorosei even without Greenbull snitching, Cp0 know of it.

 

[L55]

He either doesn’t know what Fujitora did or he just doesn’t want to punish an Admiral because the Marines keep the pressure off of the Celestial Dragons. Or he doesn’t want the world to know that the Celestial Dragons keep slaves.

I highly doubt weak ass CD fodder #684 is brave enough to sentence Aramaki to death but Garling isn’t brave enough to sentence Issho.

He should know bcs cp0 talked about fuji helping revos

 

[Xione]

No: the point of the reasoning is not me finding it difficult to believe or not; it is finding your reasoning sound, which isn't imho lol.

You first made a - baseless - assumption that someone working for a CDs did not report the reason why the CD's slaves were able to flee. Then, you proceeded to tell us that two admirals fought and no one saw it, when even when they were fighting against the Rev they were destroying the City.
As for the location of the fight, you just have to look for the pics: you can clearly see buildings in the background.

So again, you could believe what you want, but let's not pretend that you are just explaining us the truth lol.

My reasoning is based on the events that unfolded, not based on the headcanon I wanted to happen or think should've happened, which is where you're focused on.

1st. That is not a baseless assumption. If it was reported by the CP0 that Fujitora helped the Revolutionary Commanders escape with the slaves, then Fujitora would've been labeled a traitor and removed. But that did not happen, did it? No. That only leaves two possibilities.
- That event was either reported, but Fujitora & Aramaki made up an excuse as to why that wasn't the cause.
- That event wasn't reported.
You're more than welcomed to believe the 1st, while I'll believe in the 2nd.
Baseless implies there is no basis, but there is a basis for my statement here.

2nd. Now you're not even reading properly. I specifically stated CP0 members were watching from far, and they saw them have a clash, and even they didn't bother going in to help the Admirals due to the intensity of the fight. So the likelihood of the normal CD being there is very low since the fight between the two happens after the RA spend a good time fighting both of the admirals. And the clash between them was more than likely minor. And as I said, even the Gorosei themselves had literally 0 clue about it, until after. Garling and such also could've been occupied with their own business for all we know.

3rd. Now you're recalling fake events, feel free to present the panel in which any of the two admirals did harm to the city. Only ones doing harm to the city were the RA commanders. While Aramaki prevents Fuji from using destructive attacks like the meteor which would fuck things up.

4th. Buildings around them doesn't mean center of a city, but alright lol.

5th. Uhhhhh HUH?? Bruh what is you on about.

Manz makes a thread with a question -> I reply to the OP with my answer -> you reply to me about something in my answer -> I reply to you about it -> You then start going "ohhh man don't act like what you're saying is the truth!!! ITS JUST YOUR OPINION!!" .... like bruh what? lol.

He put his homies in bandages though, pretty serious for two Admirals to be going at each other in the middle of an important mission. It's wild if this wasn't reported or didn't make its way up to Akainu and the Gorosei even without Greenbull snitching, Cp0 know of it.

We don't know who put the bandages on Fujitora, just all assumptions. IIRC, you view the RA commanders as pretty weak, so understandable why you'd think it's GB. But not like it takes much to put bandages on anybody. Garp had bandages over a fodder punch from Luffy. Sengoku had bandages all over his body despite not a single mf touching outside of that Luffy incident. Mfs literally have bandages over few scratches, they really don't mean jackshit.

It either got reported and Fuji-Aramaki played it off with an excuse that it's not what happened and CP0 simply had a misunderstanding.
or
Jabra and co didn't bother reporting it. As to why they wouldn't bother reporting it, the simplest answer would just be what it'd mean for Fujitora and thus the Marines.

 

[Dragon777]

My reasoning is based on the events that unfolded, not based on the headcanon I wanted to happen or think should've happened, which is where you're focused on.

As I said, you are still pretending to give us the truth and we all are mistaken, even if your reasoning is baseless lol

1st. That is not a baseless assumption. If it was reported by the CP0 that Fujitora helped the Revolutionary Commanders escape with the slaves, then Fujitora would've been labeled a traitor and removed. But that did not happen, did it? No. That only leaves two possibilities.
- That event was either reported, but Fujitora & Aramaki made up an excuse as to why that wasn't the cause.
- That event wasn't reported.
You're more than welcomed to believe the 1st, while I'll believe in the 2nd.
Baseless implies there is no basis, but there is a basis for my statement here.

No.

It simply means that Fujiotra is too important to be disposed of. There are hundreds of CDs, but just 3 Admiral.

Gorosei were sweating about a single Sichibukai losing his seat, let alone an Admiral.

2nd. Now you're not even reading properly. I specifically stated CP0 members were watching from far, and they saw them have a clash, and even they didn't bother going in to help the Admirals due to the intensity of the fight. So the likelihood of the normal CD being there is very low since the fight between the two happens after the RA spend a good time fighting both of the admirals. And the clash between them was more than likely minor. And as I said, even the Gorosei themselves had literally 0 clue about it, until after. Garling and such also could've been occupied with their own business for all we know.

So, again, you are saying that an "intense" fight between two admirals in the Holy City was saw by no one lol. I hope you understand the absurdity of the claim, along with the precedent one.

3rd. Now you're recalling fake events, feel free to present the panel in which any of the two admirals did harm to the city. Only ones doing harm to the city were the RA commanders. While Aramaki prevents Fuji from using destructive attacks like the meteor which would fuck things up.

Maybe you have to reed again the chapter. Ryokugyu said that out loud.

But for you, an intense fight between Ryo and Fuji was less destructive that the one with Morley, maybe.

4th. Buildings around them doesn't mean center of a city, but alright lol.

Well, at least you are not denying it; it's positive lol.

5th. Uhhhhh HUH?? Bruh what is you on about.

Manz makes a thread with a question -> I reply to the OP with my answer -> you reply to me about something in my answer -> I reply to you about it -> You then start going "ohhh man don't act like what you're saying is the truth!!! ITS JUST YOUR OPINION!!" .... like bruh what? lol.

In the same message in which you accuse me of just blindly applying my headcanon (what? Lol) while saying that you are right, you yourself are fencing ingnorace about why I told you to calm down and start think that yours it is just your idea.



I don't know if it more funny or absurd.

 

[SkySanji]

Because it isn't the job of the Holy Knights to judge Admirals...they police the Celestial Dragons.

 

[Xione]

As I said, you are still pretending to give us the truth and we all are mistaken, even if your reasoning is baseless lol

Who is "us" my guy.

my 1st post - Is a reply to the OP who asked people of their viiewpoint of what happened
my 2nd post- Is a reply to you
my 3rd post - Is a reply to Zenzu
my 4th post - is a reply to you
my 5th post - is a reply to Zenzu
my 6th post - is a reply to you

I've addressed 2 people who replied to my post. And I've answered the OP's question. Bro you got an insane victim mindset, shit is disgusting lmao. Don't reply to people if you're gonna run behind "is just your opinion bro!! Don't talk like the truth!!" no shit genius we're discussing opinions here.

No.

It simply means that Fujiotra is too important to be disposed of. There are hundreds of CDs, but just 3 Admiral.

Gorosei we're sweating about a single Sichibukai losing his seat, let alone an Admiral.

Helping the slaves escape and siding with the Revolutionary Army is literally going against the CD. How are you not able to comprehend that?

You believe that it is more rational for the CD to keep on having an underling who sided with the Revolutionary Army instead of stopping them, helped them escape with lord knows how many slaves, while they fucked up the Mariejois' food reserves + destroyed the holy symbol... the same CD who told Akainu that the Marines are nothing but the outward face of the World Government.... You think that's more inline with who the CD are? lol???

Gorosei were the ones who removed those warlords lol. They were sweating because it messed up their balance of 3 powers that they were using. That's about it. Bro is really using Sweat Piece for a serious one piece discussion, lord have mercy.

So, again, you are saying that an "intense" fight between two admirals in the Holy City was saw by one one lol. I hope you understand the absurdity of the claim, along with the precedent one.

Nope, I stated Jabra and CP0 members who were watching the clash from the start saw it happen.

However, the likelihood of a normal CD seeing it is low, as even the powerful CP0 avoided going near them, the normal CD & fodder agents would have no reason to approach them.

Maybe you have to reed again the chapter. Ryokugyu said that out loud.

Just post the panel. Where the Admirals are destroying the city, should be easy for you.

But for you, an intense fight between Ryo and Fuji was less destructive that the one with Morley, maybe.

I never stated the fight between Ryo & Fuji was intense. And naturally a small clash between two restricted people would be less destructive than the one against somebody who can destroy things to his content as he wants.

Well, at least you are not denying it; it's positive lol.

High IQ stuff right here.

In the same message in which you accuse me of just blindly applying my headcanon (what? Lol) while saying that you are right, you yourself are fencing ingnorace about why I told you to calm down and start think that yours it is just your idea.


I don't know if it more funny or absurd.

And... the victim mentality continues.


1st. My usage of the word "headcanon" happened after you went into victim mode of "oohhh broo is just your opinion man, don't talk to me like it's the truth wah wah wah". And called what I was saying a baseless assumption which is... headcanon.. where you make up shit that has no basis on the canon story.

2nd. I've literally been explaining my original OP & then have even brought up other scenarios deviating from my original reply.

3rd. You didn't tell me to calm down, you went into the weird "oh bro is just your opinion, not the truth!!". Making an obvious statement in a thread that's discussing a situation to which the manga doesn't give the answer for. No shit is just my opinion, hence I didn't reply to anybody's post, except those who replied to me... to which I then explained my post in further detail based on the replies that were given.

If you don't agree with it... I mean cool... I could careless lol.

 

[Dragon777]

... Bro you got an insane victim mindset, shit is disgusting lmao

...
And... the victim mentality continues.

Ok, this is just something else. You just went to straight-up insult others because of your own way of presenting arguments.

Well, no point going forward on a conversation so low.

where you make up shit that has no basis on the canon story.

And that just proves my point, again.

If you don't agree with it... I mean cool... I could careless lol.

The same for me, obviously. I just tried to tell you why you are wrong, Imho, and to not pretend your view is the only logical one, which isn't.

But then you did what you did, so good life, I guess.

 

[BlackLegFring]

Garling doesn’t seem to be stupid, so he knows better than to try and do anything to an Admiral given the situation.

 

[Xione]

Ok, this is just something else. You just went to straight-up insult others because of your own way of presenting arguments.

Well, no point going forward on a conversation so low.



And that just proves my point, again.



The same for me, obviously. I just tried to tell you why you are wrong, Imho, and to not pretend your view is the only logical one, which isn't.

But then you did what you did, so good life, I guess.

You got it my guy.

 

[ThreePiece]

Any one of the Admirals could solo the Holy Land.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Any Celestial Dragon has the authority to do anything they want. That‘s the point of them. They are gods, everyone else is human, humans obey the will of the gods.

Garling is either showing political/military nuance (that truly braindead morons like Charloss lack) or he’s simply afraid of what happens if he gives the order for Fujitora to be executed and the Marines say “nope.”

We already know this has happened before. The Celestial Dragons want Garp dead, and he’s only a Vice Admiral.

They don’t kill him because Garp is simply too valuable. Whether because of what he’s done, because they are frightened from the reaction if he was to be killed, or both.

For all that people are getting very excited about Imu, the Gorosei, the Holy Knights- they cannot rule the world alone. If they could, they wouldn’t need Marines running around including pests like Garp. And there would be no pirates with Poneglyphs.

 

[gz89]