Controversial General Political Discussion

[Zenos7]

So secularism in india isnt just about separation of state and religion?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Don't be a hypocrite solis. You got personal first.

You're not seeing how generalising and hurtful your militant atheist post was?

 

[Tejas]

I am not sure about formless and present everywhere.
From my understanding, the text is clear that I am "formless". Air is present everywhere, but it has no form, according to the example in the article. Wrong example.

Now, can you confine air in an air bag and place it somewhere, right? It gains a form.
If this was the case, the religious book would have mentioned it. That you can capture the formless air in a bag and give it a form, no?

I respect your beliefs and not trying to offend you. Just having a discussion.

Plus, Zakir Naik focuses on finding common grounds in religions and acts as a pacifist. Idk why Indians hate him so much.

Zakir Naik in this particular example categorically manipulates the fact that Krishna says you can worship anything and the Prayer shall reach me.


Zakir Naik is not finding a common ground. He follows a strategy of misinformation to proselytizing people who are ignorant.


I welcome anyone attempting to find common grounds like APJ Abdul Kalam

 

[Toby D. Dog]

You're not seeing how generalising and hurtful your militant atheist post was?

Why? Cause it's not based on objective reality? It's true. You can have faith and believe in whatever you want, I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem when people claim it's true based on objective evidence.

 

[Tejas]

So secularism in india isnt just about separation of state and religion?

No. Secularism in India means Minority appeasement that too votebank minority

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

No. Secularism in India means Minority appeasement that too votebank minority

you're like a broken record

Why? Cause is not based on objective reality? It's true. You can have faith and believe in whatever you want, I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem when people claim it's true based on objective evidence.

Ok peace

 

[Tejas]

I want a regime change (in pretty much all countries) does it makes me a world global menace ?

Why? If an existing regime is democratically elected, let the voters decide. Soros is trying to undermine democracy

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I want a regime change in india. But that doesn't mean I have the right to enact it. I'm not indian so I don't get to decide. I'll still criticize autocrats.

So?

The present regime is elected by the people and doing good for maximum people. Soros is trying to undermine it by funding terror

 

[Zenos7]

I think humans have a moral duty to help other humans.

Shutting out refugees because you fear their race/religion is immoral

Think its mostly due to the religion not being compatible with the society taking in the refugees

 

[Logiko]

Where did you praise nature?🤔 All I saw is you hating on anything spiritual

HERE:

"I personally prefer the grandiose black holes of questions regarding a potential accidental expension of everythingness, this is so much more complex yet fun to understand and to grasp... "

HERE:

"Just imagine things like : potential string dimensions, potential multivers, black matter, potential holographic universes, dark energy, gravitational waves, supermassive blackhole, heat death of the universe, the big bang, potential wormholes, the plank scale, the bending of time and space, potential galaxy sized civilisations, the Higg Boson and mass in the universe, the potential fusion of relativity theory and quantum mechanic, a potential recreation of the universe, the mysteries of the evolutions and the brain...

I mean.. compared to those concepts, questions and mathematical wonderness.. the concept of an all powerfull creator offering a place in heaven or hell, or different deities representing nature and the everythingness of creation is just..

.. Dull at best."

AND HERE:

"Nature has so much more to offer. So much more complexity, trickyness, absurdities, creativeness. One day you are watching the death of a star that actually happened 1 million years ago, the other you are exploring the possibility of travelling through time by the simple fact of going fast...

Nature is so much more magical than religious fairy tail meant to appeal to 5 years old and +.

The simple idea that we might just be an accident isn't thrilling enough ? Try to imagine what it would feel like living on a rogue planet

Hey! You wanna try to open your perspective on life? Then try to warp your head around the notion of "critical flicker fusion frequency" and the way animal percieve time and sounds:

Really, give up religion, just look up. "


And be CAREFUL, I did not "hate", and I did not "hate" on the spiritual. In fact I'm very spiritual concerning the magic of nature. I just think there is nothing divine about it.

And my point was not "hate" it was just "come on religion is boring, look at what nature can really offer"

Why? If an existing regime is democratically elected, let the voters decide. Soros is trying to undermine democracy

He just give his point of view..

But hey! Maybe he move his check tool in secret but.. really, I just think your country suffers the remaining of colonization, a big crisis concerning religion, economy and environment and a lack of progressive leadership. No words of one man will help that sadly.

 

[notAfanboy]

Zakir Naik in this particular example categorically manipulates the fact that Krishna says you can worship anything and the Prayer shall reach me.


Zakir Naik is not finding a common ground. He follows a strategy of misinformation to proselytizing people who are ignorant

No, he did not say that, specifically "worship anything".
You can worship your god, but the point he was making that the book says it has no shape, it is formless.

It is not misinformation, it is misinterpretation either by Zakir Naik or Hindus.

Zakir Naik - Who tries to find common grounds in religions.

Ahmed Deedat - Who challenges other scholars and prove them wrong, sometimes provoking them.

A lot of issues can be solved if scholars from Hindus and Muslims sit together and have a discussion.

 

[Tejas]

No, he did not say that, specifically "worship anything".
You can worship your god, but the point he was making that the book says it has no shape, it is formless.

It is not misinformation, it is misinterpretation either by Zakir Naik or Hindus.

Zakir Naik - Who tries to find common grounds in religions.

Ahmed Deedat - Who challenges other scholars and prove them wrong, sometimes provoking them.

A lot of issues can be solved if scholars from Hindus and Muslims sit together and have a discussion.

Our book says it is formless and can take any form it chooses to. Zakir omits this fact.

Also I support healthy discussions between scholars of respective religions

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

HERE:

"I personally prefer the grandiose black holes of questions regarding a potential accidental expension of everythingness, this is so much more complex yet fun to understand and to grasp... "

HERE:

"Just imagine things like : potential string dimensions, potential multivers, black matter, potential holographic universes, dark energy, gravitational waves, supermassive blackhole, heat death of the universe, the big bang, potential wormholes, the plank scale, the bending of time and space, potential galaxy sized civilisations, the Higg Boson and mass in the universe, the potential fusion of relativity theory and quantum mechanic, a potential recreation of the universe, the mysteries of the evolutions and the brain...

I mean.. compared to those concepts, questions and mathematical wonderness.. the concept of an all powerfull creator offering a place in heaven or hell, or different deities representing nature and the everythingness of creation is just..

.. Dull at best."

AND HERE:

"Nature has so much more to offer. So much more complexity, trickyness, absurdities, creativeness. One day you are watching the death of a star that actually happened 1 million years ago, the other you are exploring the possibility of travelling through time by the simple fact of going fast...

Nature is so much more magical than religious fairy tail meant to appeal to 5 years old and +.

The simple idea that we might just be an accident isn't thrilling enough ? Try to imagine what it would feel like living on a rogue planet

Hey! You wanna try to open your perspective on life? Then try to warp your head around the notion of "critical flicker fusion frequency" and the way animal percieve time and sounds:

Really, give up religion, just look up. "


And be CAREFUL, I did not "hate", and I did not "hate" on the spiritual. In fact I'm very spiritual concerning the magic of nature. I just think there is nothing divine about it.

And my point was not "hate" it was just "come on religion is boring, look at what nature can really offer"

I see a lot of personal interpretation here, as well as a weak understanding of religion

 

[Tejas]

HERE:

"I personally prefer the grandiose black holes of questions regarding a potential accidental expension of everythingness, this is so much more complex yet fun to understand and to grasp... "

HERE:

"Just imagine things like : potential string dimensions, potential multivers, black matter, potential holographic universes, dark energy, gravitational waves, supermassive blackhole, heat death of the universe, the big bang, potential wormholes, the plank scale, the bending of time and space, potential galaxy sized civilisations, the Higg Boson and mass in the universe, the potential fusion of relativity theory and quantum mechanic, a potential recreation of the universe, the mysteries of the evolutions and the brain...

I mean.. compared to those concepts, questions and mathematical wonderness.. the concept of an all powerfull creator offering a place in heaven or hell, or different deities representing nature and the everythingness of creation is just..

.. Dull at best."

AND HERE:

"Nature has so much more to offer. So much more complexity, trickyness, absurdities, creativeness. One day you are watching the death of a star that actually happened 1 million years ago, the other you are exploring the possibility of travelling through time by the simple fact of going fast...

Nature is so much more magical than religious fairy tail meant to appeal to 5 years old and +.

The simple idea that we might just be an accident isn't thrilling enough ? Try to imagine what it would feel like living on a rogue planet

Hey! You wanna try to open your perspective on life? Then try to warp your head around the notion of "critical flicker fusion frequency" and the way animal percieve time and sounds:

Really, give up religion, just look up. "


And be CAREFUL, I did not "hate", and I did not "hate" on the spiritual. In fact I'm very spiritual concerning the magic of nature. I just think there is nothing divine about it.

And my point was not "hate" it was just "come on religion is boring, look at what nature can really offer"

He just give his point of view..

But hey! Maybe he move his check tool in secret but.. really, I just think your country suffers the remaining of colonization, a big crisis concerning religion, economy and environment and a lack of progressive leadership. No words of one man will help that sadly.

True my country suffers all of that and Soros is funding terror to destabilize the nation

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

True my country suffers all of that and Soros is funding terror to destabilize the nation

Deepstate

 

[Toby D. Dog]

My dad is very religious. And I think in the end it's actually been a disservice to his life and happiness. He is afraid of death, and he's used his religion as a method of coping. With every passing year it is clear to me how he is getting progressively more scared of his ailments and the repercussions that they bring. He never had the chance to come to grips with what his common sense has been telling him from the very start. I guess that's why I'm so resentful of religion as a whole. I believe in his heart of hearts he knows, but he is too afraid to admit it to himself.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

My dad is very religious. And I think in the end it's actually been a disservice to his life and happiness. He is afraid of death, and he's used his religion as a method of coping. With every passing year it is clear to me how he is getting progressively more scared of his ailments and the repercussions that they bring. He never had the chance to come to grips with what his common sense has been telling him from the very start. I guess that's why I'm so resentful of religion as a whole. I believe in his heart of hearts he knows, but he is too afraid to admit it to himself.

Makes sense and I think this kind of fearful Christian religiosity is really harmful because it doesn't allow critical thinking and is essentially spiritual authoritarianism.

 

[Tejas]

Deepstate

The pattern is that
Indian National Congress is power hungry.
It looks to cause wanton destruction to destabilize the country.
Deep state funds that .

Missionaries + Terror Groups + Leftist disinformation cabal is also funded by Deepstate to destabilize present regime

 

[notAfanboy]

Our book says it is formless and can take any form it chooses to. Zakir omits this fact.

Also I support healthy discussions between scholars of respective religions

"I am formless, and also it is I, who is present in everything and every being.”

Is it the right translation?

If yes, the formless is written first. Later, it says I can be in everything and every being.

I can see what Zakir Naik is trying to say;

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

The pattern is that
Indian National Congress is power hungry.
It looks to cause wanton destruction to destabilize the country.
Deep state funds that .

Missionaries + Terror Groups + Leftist disinformation cabal is also funded by Deepstate to destabilize present regime

Oh not tejas THE DEEPSTATE ARE COMING AAAAAHHHH

 

[Logiko]

I see a lot of personal interpretation here, as well as a weak understanding of religion

Nah don't worry, I understand religion pretty well. I have had debate on that subject enough time to be sure. All I'm saying is that, religion is boring. I did not extend more. :)