General & Others STORYTELLING - Gear 5 is amazing

I want people who are trying to sh*t on the work of Gear 5 here to really take a
Sooooo giving their opinion? Gotcha.
Nobody is preventing people to give their opinion. I'm just saying that giving a bad statement about an objective good technique is not legitimate. You can of course say "this is masterfull, but I don't really like it". It's perfectly cool.

And that's the problem.
That you can't erase reality ? Yup.

We also can't make you accept the author himself proved you wrong. We are at a standstill.
What ? On what ?
 
No, that you can't admit to be wrong.
Not the first though .
Dude.. I can't be wrong on a storytelling fact. The prouesse of Oda on this plot twist doesn't depend on my opinion. Its objectively masterfull. From a straight technical standpoint.


What ? Look what ?


Not really. Pepsi is a soda but not all sodas are Pepsi. Same thing applies here: being a mythical zoan makes Luffy's fruit special but special doesn't entail being a mythical zoan.
Okay, and ?
 
No, that's not objective. But again: standstill.

It'shitty to me, that's for sure, but you can still like it.
It is objective. Storytelling is a skill, there are things we can mesure.

And this plot twist was perfect from a storytelling standpoint. Objectively.
But you are completely in your right not to like the technique while understanding that it is masterfull.

Like I said, it's just like impressionism or expressionnism.. You can dislike it, but you must understand that those technique were groundbreaking stuff and amazing from an objective and technical point of view.

Oh ok.

But no, this is not a retcon. Gear 5 doesn't contradict the story in anyway. It only extend our knowledge of the world.
 
It is objective. Storytelling is a skill, there are things we can mesure.

And this plot twist was perfect from a storytelling standpoint. Objectively.
But you are completely in your right not to like the technique while understanding that it is masterfull.

Like I said, it's just like impressionism or expressionnism.. You can dislike it, but you must understand that those technique were groundbreaking stuff and amazing from an objective and technical point of view.
And like we have tried to tell you, this is merely your idea about your supposed facts.

But I am not trying to convince you since is impossible convincing someone whose premise is "I am objectively right".

Obviously, you can very well think is the better plot twist even written. No hard feelings. In fact, I am happy for you.
 
And like we have tried to tell you, this is merely your idea about your supposed facts.

But I am not trying to convince since is impossible convincing someone whose premise is "I am objectively right".

Obviously, you can very well think is the better plot twist even written. No hard feelings. In fact, I am happy for you.
Yes, it will be impossible in this instance. As I can't be wrong here. I'm just stating facts.

At the limit, I can be wrong on the "this is the best writing in history or the paragraph about the strawhat skills" but that's all.
 
Yes, it will be impossible in this instance. As I can't be wrong here. I'm just stating facts.

At the limit, I can be wrong on the "this is the best writing in history or the paragraph about the strawhat skills" but that's all.
Exactly. Someone whose premise is "I am objectively right" can't be convinced, and doesn't want to be in the first place.

Not in a bad way I mean, we just agree on that.
 
There is no such thing though. It's all acquired taste at the end of the day. Aka an opinion.
No. Storytelling is a skill just like when you play from an instrument.

But yeah of course, you can always give a violin to a kid for the first time and say that their music is amazing.. but I'll bet you won't stand in front of it for more than 1 hour lmao.

In storytelling there are rules, there is a way to create a good story, you can just come with a plot at random.


doesn't want to be in the first place.
I don't need to be. This is not a case where an opinion is stated here. Its not like a theory. Its the basic analysis of a craft.
 
I don't need to be. This is not a case where an opinion is stated here. Its not like a theory. Its the basic analysis of a craft.
And that's the point: we don't agree, but can't be a discussion with the premise that the base is objectively true, because it would be meaningless to discuss it.

But as I said, not in a bad way. Just a fact.
 
Dude.. I'm not stating an opinion here lmao. Your sentence feel like this to me.
"The sun is a star"
"We don't agree with you".

Okay.. but the sun is still a star lmao.
We don't agree because, for us, you mistaken definitions for realty and the connections and analysis you think are true for facts, which are not.
To use your own example, to me you are indicating the Moon, not the Sun. And the Moon is not a star, but you would say that you are objectively indicating the Sun, at which we will respond that we see the Moon instead.
On and so on: infinite circle.

But I understand what you say. Problem is the premise. With the premise "I am right" one can't discuss anything.
 
We don't agree because, for us, you mistaken definitions for realty and the connections and analysis you think are true for facts, which are not.

But I understand what you say. Problem is the premise. With the premise "I am right" one can't discuss anything.
Okay. Let be productive

On what definition do you think I'm wrong here ?
 
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