General & Others STORYTELLING - Gear 5 is amazing
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This is what I call a hint. (I mentionned the firery air for exemple) Its an interpretation of an image that does not serve the story contrary to the goofyness of Luffy during pretimeskip or his transformations.
uh, no ?
Nothing here negates gear 5 amazing direction mate.
Still not a retcon. Read the fricking thread.
Same thing
This thread is not an opinion. I'm stating narrative facts. You can either understand or not understand them.
Sure, and the marmott put the chocolate in the papier d'alu.
No, you can criticize an opinion, you can also criticize the way Oda write, but hating an objective good technique is just not understanding it.
uh, no ?
Nothing here negates gear 5 amazing direction mate.
Still not a retcon. Read the fricking thread.
Same thing
This thread is not an opinion. I'm stating narrative facts. You can either understand or not understand them.
Sure, and the marmott put the chocolate in the papier d'alu.
No, you can criticize an opinion, you can also criticize the way Oda write, but hating an objective good technique is just not understanding it.
Yeah and Oda said he would finish the story in 5 years. It took him 26. let's not take all of Oda's sentence seriously. Especially when he is trying to be modest and carefree.
What counts is what the story tells us. The story IS deep from a narration and a thematic/storytelling standpoint. This is a storytelling fact now either we accept it or not.. I can't do much about that.
Then you say "I don't like this technique" its perfectly legitimate. Its like saying you don't like impressionism in art or expressionnism in Cinema. You can dislike a technique while understanding that it is masterfull and groundbreaking. Your taste are yours.
This is not what people here do, they criticize the technique and make it seems like something it is not, they are not explaining their taste.
What counts is what the story tells us. The story IS deep from a narration and a thematic/storytelling standpoint. This is a storytelling fact now either we accept it or not.. I can't do much about that.
Then you say "I don't like this technique" its perfectly legitimate. Its like saying you don't like impressionism in art or expressionnism in Cinema. You can dislike a technique while understanding that it is masterfull and groundbreaking. Your taste are yours.
This is not what people here do, they criticize the technique and make it seems like something it is not, they are not explaining their taste.
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I love how everyone here didn't even take the time to read the post.
Because I know that you guys didn't read it/didn't pay attention to it.
Gear 5 being foreshadowed and well prepared is not a simple theory, it's a narrative FACT.
But I guess I had my hopes a little to up for this forum once again hehe
Because I know that you guys didn't read it/didn't pay attention to it.
Gear 5 being foreshadowed and well prepared is not a simple theory, it's a narrative FACT.
But I guess I had my hopes a little to up for this forum once again hehe
Why tf is anyone gonna read all that shit in that bland ass format. You played yourself. Or whoever you might have copy-pasted.
You had this same attitude when preaching about Carrot joining the SHs which never happened. You said the story was clearly pointing towards her joining and we need to read between the lines and stop "ignoring" you, and nothing happened.
Oda is very on the nose and simplistic. He admitted to coming up with things on the fly and lots of his foreshadowing was coincidence that he never noticed until someone pointed it out.
Oda is very on the nose and simplistic. He admitted to coming up with things on the fly and lots of his foreshadowing was coincidence that he never noticed until someone pointed it out.
Yes for a good reason, and I maintain everything I said. Despite being wrong, all my point were valid to place Carrot as more than just a side character. And if you analyze what I said at the time, I never said that the possibility was a 100% probability.
The storytelling facts are still here, and their placement in the story is still weird looking at Carrot's development now.
The story indeed (and still) point toward Carrot becoming more than just a soldier on zou. I was just wrong on my conclusion (that it was meant for her to be a strawhat) and I took the L.
But we all need to understand that when I'm talking about storytelling fact like foreshadowing or shadowing, those facts doesn't disappear because I'm wrong. Only my interpretation of those fact was wrong. The technique behind it didn't change.
And here, I'm not talking about a theory but the technique. Those things are factual. I just can't be wrong. This is not about interpretation, this is what the story tells to us.
And it doesn't matter if Oda says "I had the idea late" or "I had the idea 20 years ago". The core principle of good planting is that - like I said - they are RETROACTIVE. Meaning that I doesn't care if Oda just had the idea or not, he manage to make cohesif dozen and dozen of little storytelling plotpoint while developping his world, creating a groundbreaking transformation, developp the symbolism of the story and turn everything we knew on it head.
And this, is masterfull. From a technical standpoint. An objective one.
The storytelling facts are still here, and their placement in the story is still weird looking at Carrot's development now.
The story indeed (and still) point toward Carrot becoming more than just a soldier on zou. I was just wrong on my conclusion (that it was meant for her to be a strawhat) and I took the L.
But we all need to understand that when I'm talking about storytelling fact like foreshadowing or shadowing, those facts doesn't disappear because I'm wrong. Only my interpretation of those fact was wrong. The technique behind it didn't change.
And here, I'm not talking about a theory but the technique. Those things are factual. I just can't be wrong. This is not about interpretation, this is what the story tells to us.
And it doesn't matter if Oda says "I had the idea late" or "I had the idea 20 years ago". The core principle of good planting is that - like I said - they are RETROACTIVE. Meaning that I doesn't care if Oda just had the idea or not, he manage to make cohesif dozen and dozen of little storytelling plotpoint while developping his world, creating a groundbreaking transformation, developp the symbolism of the story and turn everything we knew on it head.
And this, is masterfull. From a technical standpoint. An objective one.
