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Apparently God of Destructions are universe level but how comes one of them got pierced by an arrow?
*gasp*
*gasp*
We have no reason to think that was a regular arrow nor that it was weak
why can goku survive gunfire if these are normal arrows
and for the gible point
it's a baby version of garchomp nothing would suggest it's strong
it's not a narratively strong pokemon, it's infact the opposite
that's why the feat of him getting damaged by gible is notable, it's cause of context
there's also the various things relating to the creation trio
that kinda show the same low ends
ofc arceus just has less of these feats cause he has less screentime
it's not just the lightning attacks, it's also the silver water or the chandlier
it's pretty direct man
not at all vague
and it's in reflected across media
Compare to this to arceus's statement
shaped the world
Is very much less direct then lol im just nuking the solar system
and btw
it follows with scaling in dbz's case
freeza was already way multi planet lv, so cell being this strong follows logically
does anything about arceus being able to destroy a universe follow with what's known about pokemon thus far by the time of gen 4
can rayquaza,mewtwo or the legendary beasts nuke a galaxy effortlessly
Okay, which Pokemon threw that meteor on Arceus, after all I think this was Draco Meteor or sth like that?
If it was a powerful Pokemon, I fail to see why you cannot scale that meteor to that Pokemon if you excuse that a random wooden arrow is apparently effective only because another GoD fired it.
The thing is, gunfire hurt Goku.
Rocks also hurt Goku. Being thrown at buildings hurt Goku, there are LOTS of stuff which hurt him. That is why we include high end feats because using low end feats only results in meaningless debates like these.
Again, you disagree using those anti feats on the DB verse, then keep the same energy onto the Pokemon verse as well instead of having this hypocritical stance...
Dude, some random fodder with a railgun pierced Goku.
Do you even know what you're talking about?
Low-end feats always happen in fiction. There are several characters in Goku's ballpark who also performed such ludicrous feats.
You can find anti feats in One Piece when random sword slashes hurt the World Strongest Man, bullets piercing Law's body.
It's the same with Naruto. Madara can take Bijuu Damas but god forbid he's standing in front of a mere kunai, then suddenly his body can't tank a mere kunai...
Again, DB is THE KING of low-end feats. There are so many contradictions inbetween the series, sometimes characters make a huge deal out of a planet busting move when it was Saiyajin Saga Vegeta stuff...
Look up at the threads which I posted here or can't you see these because they banned you?
I can also post some examples here you know?
Besides, doesn't Arceus have 12 blocks which can deflect any kind of attack directed towards him?
There you have it; giving the actual reason why Arceus actually has less feats than the other creators.
Yet it doesn't mean that we can highly disregard his best feats and scaling to the other creators only because there was some instances when he took damage from low level hits.
Oh, funny thing because that user, who thankfully debunked the notion DB hardly has any inconsistencies, also addressed that point, explaining how Cell's statement isn't trustworthy as 1.) actually didn't destroy the Solar System and 2.) having Buu as a much superior character destroying hundreds of planets in few years or something like that.
We have never seen a pure demonstration of this statement whatsoever and neither did the manga ever take an example out of that by stating other statements about this kind of destructive power. Buu was known as an entity who only knew to destroy, nothing else.
So we have two individual Pokedex entries when it was confirmed that Arceus shaped the world. Canon stuff as Pokedex are part of the games.
We have the anime when we see how Palkia and Dialga used a beam to create a completely new world in a minimal timeframe.
We have another anime moment when Arceus flexed his power and distorted the entire space time of the entire universe.
But then you have that odd stance and question this statement that Arceus shaped the fucking word? What the actual fuck??
No shit, it's the same with the Pokemon verse, especially the creators.
Eh, yes? Totally.
3 creators -> one has absolute control over time -> another one about space -> Giratina is all about distortion? -> ultimately Arceus basically being their 'boss' scales to all that stuff which they had shown so far.
If it was a powerful Pokemon, I fail to see why you cannot scale that meteor to that Pokemon if you excuse that a random wooden arrow is apparently effective only because another GoD fired it.
The thing is, gunfire hurt Goku.
Rocks also hurt Goku. Being thrown at buildings hurt Goku, there are LOTS of stuff which hurt him. That is why we include high end feats because using low end feats only results in meaningless debates like these.
Again, you disagree using those anti feats on the DB verse, then keep the same energy onto the Pokemon verse as well instead of having this hypocritical stance...
Dude, some random fodder with a railgun pierced Goku.
Do you even know what you're talking about?
Low-end feats always happen in fiction. There are several characters in Goku's ballpark who also performed such ludicrous feats.
You can find anti feats in One Piece when random sword slashes hurt the World Strongest Man, bullets piercing Law's body.
It's the same with Naruto. Madara can take Bijuu Damas but god forbid he's standing in front of a mere kunai, then suddenly his body can't tank a mere kunai...
Again, DB is THE KING of low-end feats. There are so many contradictions inbetween the series, sometimes characters make a huge deal out of a planet busting move when it was Saiyajin Saga Vegeta stuff...
Look up at the threads which I posted here or can't you see these because they banned you?
I can also post some examples here you know?
Besides, doesn't Arceus have 12 blocks which can deflect any kind of attack directed towards him?
There you have it; giving the actual reason why Arceus actually has less feats than the other creators.
Yet it doesn't mean that we can highly disregard his best feats and scaling to the other creators only because there was some instances when he took damage from low level hits.
Oh, funny thing because that user, who thankfully debunked the notion DB hardly has any inconsistencies, also addressed that point, explaining how Cell's statement isn't trustworthy as 1.) actually didn't destroy the Solar System and 2.) having Buu as a much superior character destroying hundreds of planets in few years or something like that.
We have never seen a pure demonstration of this statement whatsoever and neither did the manga ever take an example out of that by stating other statements about this kind of destructive power. Buu was known as an entity who only knew to destroy, nothing else.
So we have two individual Pokedex entries when it was confirmed that Arceus shaped the world. Canon stuff as Pokedex are part of the games.
We have the anime when we see how Palkia and Dialga used a beam to create a completely new world in a minimal timeframe.
We have another anime moment when Arceus flexed his power and distorted the entire space time of the entire universe.
But then you have that odd stance and question this statement that Arceus shaped the fucking word? What the actual fuck??
No shit, it's the same with the Pokemon verse, especially the creators.
Eh, yes? Totally.
3 creators -> one has absolute control over time -> another one about space -> Giratina is all about distortion? -> ultimately Arceus basically being their 'boss' scales to all that stuff which they had shown so far.
was just a regular meteor
it was not a pokemon move of anykind
it's never said as a random arrow
you are asserting it as such
but cant you easily apply this logic to any pokemon too and have look much worse, arceus lost to a regular penguin
As compared to destroying a regular galaxy
Wonder what's more impressive
Ig by your logic bullets are above a city in terms of power
Goku tanked bullets as a kid
the dbs shit is just stupid
And goku has numerous high ends
all arceus has is faulty pokedex statements which says he shapes already existing planets
these scenario's are nothing alike
DBZ has various low ends but it's not representive of the fiction as a whole where it would be for pokemon
Dialga and palkia barf up a universe but in the next universe lv feat, a random ultra beast lights up a dimension or something
there's no internal consistency to this and there can be decades between feats
Arceus is batman, They get one good feat or something once in a decade but on the regular they more job to fodder
difference being arceus has a fan group of wankers like yourself who dont care about consistentcy and just take the one instance of him doing something remotely impressive then act like he's strong when normally he's not
the characters goku job too arent anything like these dudes
DB has more then 2 feats
and you dont need to dig for them
And each of them is more impressive then any dumb wanked shit you can bring up
Necrozma lighting up dimension or arceus shaking his planet sized realm lol
Buuhan by screaming was gonna destroy the entire universe
buu saga characters solo even when you include the outliers
and you gonna say outlier to what, yknow the entire fucking series outside of the few wanked instances you use to support your beliefs
see here you go misrepresenting shit
this green orb is earth ie our world
and this orb right here, the orange one is arceus's realm
besides your opinon dont matter, it's a canonical fact that pokemon cant destroy planets
literally only matters if your a pokemon wanker
and you turn your brain off, wanking concepts to multiverse lv cause your character in reality aint as strong as you want them to be
control of time aint proof of multiverse lv power lv, ofc you want it to be case but it's just not truth
but ig guldo and dio can destroy multiverses cause of control over time
likee seriously shut up, you are literally only saying dumb shit to defend your beliefs, you dont actually belilive that control of time = multiverse lv. you just wanna win over me and dont care if you look like a dishonest jackass by doing so
it was not a pokemon move of anykind
it's never said as a random arrow
you are asserting it as such
but cant you easily apply this logic to any pokemon too and have look much worse, arceus lost to a regular penguin
As compared to destroying a regular galaxy
Wonder what's more impressive
Ig by your logic bullets are above a city in terms of power
Goku tanked bullets as a kid
the dbs shit is just stupid
And goku has numerous high ends
all arceus has is faulty pokedex statements which says he shapes already existing planets
these scenario's are nothing alike
DBZ has various low ends but it's not representive of the fiction as a whole where it would be for pokemon
Dialga and palkia barf up a universe but in the next universe lv feat, a random ultra beast lights up a dimension or something
there's no internal consistency to this and there can be decades between feats
Arceus is batman, They get one good feat or something once in a decade but on the regular they more job to fodder
difference being arceus has a fan group of wankers like yourself who dont care about consistentcy and just take the one instance of him doing something remotely impressive then act like he's strong when normally he's not
the characters goku job too arent anything like these dudes
DB has more then 2 feats
and you dont need to dig for them
And each of them is more impressive then any dumb wanked shit you can bring up
Necrozma lighting up dimension or arceus shaking his planet sized realm lol
Buuhan by screaming was gonna destroy the entire universe
buu saga characters solo even when you include the outliers
and you gonna say outlier to what, yknow the entire fucking series outside of the few wanked instances you use to support your beliefs
see here you go misrepresenting shit
this green orb is earth ie our world
and this orb right here, the orange one is arceus's realm
besides your opinon dont matter, it's a canonical fact that pokemon cant destroy planets
literally only matters if your a pokemon wanker
and you turn your brain off, wanking concepts to multiverse lv cause your character in reality aint as strong as you want them to be
control of time aint proof of multiverse lv power lv, ofc you want it to be case but it's just not truth
but ig guldo and dio can destroy multiverses cause of control over time
likee seriously shut up, you are literally only saying dumb shit to defend your beliefs, you dont actually belilive that control of time = multiverse lv. you just wanna win over me and dont care if you look like a dishonest jackass by doing so
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Alright, even if that's the case, I mean Vegeta believed Freezer's story how a meteor destroyed planet Vegeta although several of them could just destroy a mere meteor.
So I guess this still doesn't mean anything.
Man, I did say that I can't believe how many inconsistencies exist in Dragon Ball verse but I keep finding newer things by accident lol.
Sure, that random arrow has universal+ AP, right?
What kind of game do you try to play here?
Obviously there are anti feats in Pokemon. I am NOT denying these. Again, I'm talking about accepting high-end feats whilst disregarding that garbage. You are the only one nitpicking every single weak showing of Pokemon god tiers and apparently trying to prove a point.
By the way, there is another hilarious stuff. The planet buster Vegeta is scared of some rock:
Man, I just play your game. If it was me, I'd say "Fuck that crap, both DB god tiers and Pokemon god tiers are around the same ballpark" but I simply cannot stand hypocritical Dragon Ball tards - and you proved to be one by numerous occasions:
1.) Making constant excuses about DB.
2.) Trying to downplay other verses due to hilarious reasons.
3.) Someone apparently negged your ass in a debate, thus you started getting salty and (this is basically 2nd point) you try your hardest to downplay a particular verse.
4.) DBtards are usually bitter because their verse isn't even in the top 100.
5.) You getting defensive and overall aggressive during a discussion when someone exposes your hypocrisy (basically your last paragraphs which I will explain later on).
Again, you can pick between those choices:
A) Arceus gets reduced to whatever level it is required to endure a meteor attack and DB characters gets reduced to wall level.
B) Context matter and we use the best feats of characters within a verse. Outliers and anti feats thus should be treated as - wait, there it is! - non appliable when we compare different characters.
What will you pick?
Bob, creating an entire universe from nothing is superior, Bob.
Plus, when did Goku destroy a regular galaxy in the manga? Do you have sources other than a video game?
Nah, I would say - since bullets often hurt DB characters and they mostly need to catch these as well - we can actually disregard city level feats if they cannot even take a bullet, right?
Goku tanked bullets as a kid but this was just one occasion, right?
How frequently did he tank bullets without getting hurt? 2 or 3 times?
How often does Goku need to tank bullets in order to wash his anti feats away? Because Dialga and Palkia showed universe level feat and Arceus distorted entire universe when awakening, so at least 2 universe level feats but you disregard them.
Many answers but I think I'll never get coherent responses...
Also, DBS is stupid but don't act like inconsistencies didn't happen in DBZ already. Just to name a few:
Vegeta got hurt by a few rocks:
Krillin needs to go all out to be faster than a plane (LMFAOOOO)
Again (2x), rock level Goku
Again (3x), Gohan being scared of rocks
Powerlevel of 5 fodder takes attack from characters scaling to multi planetary busters (lol)
Krillin hurt by depris (
)
Oh, we talked about the frequency of high-end feats, right? Can we also talk about the frequency of low-end attacks? Because 3 anti feats when characters were owned by rocks, well... Has Goku ever destroyed a single planet in his entire life? Has he? Because I am not so sure about that? Can we truly scale Goku to other characters? I mean, this dude gets hurt by rock and the strongest human (not counting Uub) got injured by depris (pfft).
Really? Which high-end feats?
I repeat: Has Goku ever destroyed a single planet in his entire life? Has he? Because I am not so sure about that? Can we truly scale Goku to other characters? I mean, this dude gets hurt by rock and the strongest human (not counting Uub) got injured by depris (pfft).
The anime adds a lot of stuff so I am not sure about which feats are actually legit or not. Did Goku also shock the universe when clashing against Beerus in the manga?
At least the pokedex statements are from the games. It depends on whether you view the games as primary sources.
Sure, spoken like a true DBtard because why not? Let's just disregard everything bad about the DB verse and let's wank it to high heavens. God, you DBtards are one of the saddest bunch I've seen lmao.
Bullshit, Pokemon god tiers have 2 -3 high-end feats and the context of the lore makes these completely plausible.
You're just hating on a series. The reason? I don't even know about that.
So even weaker Pokemons can affect an entire dimension? Then you still question their feat when freaking god tiers pull out these feats although they're canonically creators? Bob, make it makes sense, please! BOOOOB!!!
How is that an inconsistency when a weaker Pokemon performs a similar feat?
And really, can you at least post this feat? You're so eager to post all those low-end feats but you talk about a Pokemon lighting up a dimension and there's nothing but talk. I can't check this assertion either to see the actual feat.
Also, it would be an inconsistency to the weaker Pokemon. For example, Cell. He's a far weaker character than Buu but he said he'd blow up the Solar System, yet Buu needs years to destroy hundreds of planets. Buu can't also be Galaxy level since he needed millions of years to destroy one galaxy if I recall correctly.
Um, Batman is not the creator of the universe so I guess... not?
You say Arceus demonstrated a feat over a decade and then jobs to fodders? So he is like the Zeno of the Pokemon verse? You know, that football head character who busted an entire universe but then can't even follow the speed of far weaker characters in that tournament?
Oh Bob, I'm just neutral here because if I was a wanker, I would cite VSBW who put Arceus at Low-Complex Multiverse Level, so be nice to me alright?
Also, I was digging up more when it comes to Arceus and I found even more stuff:
In Pokemon Legend Arceus, his realm transcends space and time:
His realm is even above Giratina's:
And about Giratina, you can read this:
At the top of Mt. Tengan, which rises in the center of the Sinnoh region, something is wrong !? Another world, "Torn World," dominated by a new concept that is neither time nor space, is waiting for you!
A new world called the "Torn World" appears in the Sinnoh Region, where neither time nor space has any control. The legendary PokΓ©mon "Giratina" lurks
A legendary PokΓ©mon that lives in the "Torn World," which is said to be on the other side of the world, where time and space are twisted, there is no concept of time or space
And Arceus destroyed Giratina.
There's also stuff about Palkia:
(Look at around 25:00)
Creates parallel dimensions
Looking at the fact how fast Dialga and Palkia created a universe, I doubt the timeframe between the creations of those parallel dimensions were ridiculously large.
Also, Arceus is basically everywhere (omnipresent)
You still ain't convinced?
Sure, who needs these fodders when Freezer's henchman fired a mere railgun at Goku:
Sorry buddy, the more I try to research some facts, the more I find anti-feats about Dragon Ball.
I posted some above and they are all from DBZ, not even DBS. Thus, DBS has A LOT MORE of ridiculous anti feats.
How many high-end feats does Goku have? Well starting since end of the Buu saga, the characters kept getting panicked about planet busters, so I can hardly find any legit feat which goes beyond that - talking about the primary source of course.
But Bobby, nothing of that is dumb wanked shit what I'm talking about.
Again, I just cite stuff from either the primary source (see above) or other sources (japanese magazines Ig), if you have to blame someone, blame the authors.
And sorry but Palkia creating parallel dimensions >>> whatever galaxy level shit Beerus performed at the end. Again sorry. I'm so sorry!
Bruh, Necrozma is a legendary Pokemon from the 7th generation, wtf?
You mean that gif?
Arceus from just awakening distorted space time and reality. (Steven posted that)
If so, are you blind? Do you not see the countless galaxies on the background? You know each universe has a different time & space continuum right?
Again, not the primary source lol. This is anime filler, in manga Buu merely forced a hole between dimensions.
This is still inferior when it comes to Palkia creating parallel dimensions and Arceus' realm transcending space and time.
I agree, Buu also solos Beerus. But how can he solo beings who can create several universes and realms above space and time?
Oh so you knew what I was gonna say? Yes, it's an outlier... unfortunately. I'm sorry, Bob.
Eh, I'd rather not... take the advice of a DB wanker, you know? You guys are just delusional so I'm good where I'm at with my current knowledge.
I guess you're the only one misrepresenting shit as the Arceus realm contains several galaxies at least, so I guess the green orb isn't just earth but the entire universe.
You tried flexing on me but failed hard, right? Geez, try better next time.
Oh you started getting bitter? Come on Bob, be nice, okay?
Also, taking the statement of a NPC literally who isn't obviously omniscient? She was questioning the whole thing because she knows no better lmao.
Too bad I'm not a Pokemon wanker, I am a Zelda wanker but nice try using ad hominem.
I don't know if you're headcanoning an entire fictional argument in your head but you're basically putting words into my mouth.
I never said in my previous posts that these concepts are multiverse level, okay? I merely explained you the concept how these creators behave. Sure, one is focused on space, another one in time and Giratina in... distortion(?) but what matters is that all creators are entities who have access over entire space & time.
Palkia isn't fixated with time but he's creating parallel dimensions for example.
Same here with Dialga and Palkia. Also, Dialga created an endless loop to trap Giratina in that distorted world.
What matters is the fact that Arceus is beyond all "inferior" creators like Dialga, Palkia and Giratina. He's basically the Pokemon god. And you cannot argue against that unless future Pokemon games introduce a being who resides in a higher dimension than Arceus, it's that simple.
Nope, that's why I posted some actual feats to back up my claims. Again, I didn't claim they are multiverse level.
Guldo merely stops time by stopping his breath as well as Dio who has limited time stop. How is that comparable to a being who has, once again, absolute control over time? And once again, Dialga has actual feats, so I'm not saying he's x level because he controls time.
Well Bob, you already lost your composure and started attacking me, telling how I should stfu or me being a Pokemon wanker over and over again. You sure there wasn't a legitimate reason why they banned your ass on Comicvine? Because I can imagine why if I see how you're already losing your shit over this mere debate - and I know actual DB downplayers are much more ruthless in CV.
No Bob, I'm not acting like a dishonest jackass - I told you my stance since the beginning of this discussion but you started giving asshole responses to me because you simply do not like the current direction of this discussion.
You don't like when someone calls out your hypocrisy, you don't like when someone uses YOUR LOGIC to downplay a verse and you don't like (no wonders, you're a DBtard) if somebody criticizes your wanked verse.
Sorry Bob but you simply lack self-reflection given the fact how you debate in this discussion and I'm starting to say they did the right thing in CV if you were consistently acting there like here.
Oh, one thing: I was kinda baiting you with the DB stuff since I found it very odd how you consistently downplayed other verses. This was illogical and it reminded me of a certain toxic fanbase, DBtards. Thus, I started to give some analogies to see how you take these. Unfortunately, you completely took my bait and exposed yourself as a DBtard.
Now I'm gonna post some interesting thread why Moro is a fodder. Can I mention you there?
So I guess this still doesn't mean anything.
Man, I did say that I can't believe how many inconsistencies exist in Dragon Ball verse but I keep finding newer things by accident lol.
Sure, that random arrow has universal+ AP, right?
What kind of game do you try to play here?
Obviously there are anti feats in Pokemon. I am NOT denying these. Again, I'm talking about accepting high-end feats whilst disregarding that garbage. You are the only one nitpicking every single weak showing of Pokemon god tiers and apparently trying to prove a point.
By the way, there is another hilarious stuff. The planet buster Vegeta is scared of some rock:
Man, I just play your game. If it was me, I'd say "Fuck that crap, both DB god tiers and Pokemon god tiers are around the same ballpark" but I simply cannot stand hypocritical Dragon Ball tards - and you proved to be one by numerous occasions:
1.) Making constant excuses about DB.
2.) Trying to downplay other verses due to hilarious reasons.
3.) Someone apparently negged your ass in a debate, thus you started getting salty and (this is basically 2nd point) you try your hardest to downplay a particular verse.
4.) DBtards are usually bitter because their verse isn't even in the top 100.
5.) You getting defensive and overall aggressive during a discussion when someone exposes your hypocrisy (basically your last paragraphs which I will explain later on).
Again, you can pick between those choices:
A) Arceus gets reduced to whatever level it is required to endure a meteor attack and DB characters gets reduced to wall level.
B) Context matter and we use the best feats of characters within a verse. Outliers and anti feats thus should be treated as - wait, there it is! - non appliable when we compare different characters.
What will you pick?
Bob, creating an entire universe from nothing is superior, Bob.
Plus, when did Goku destroy a regular galaxy in the manga? Do you have sources other than a video game?
Nah, I would say - since bullets often hurt DB characters and they mostly need to catch these as well - we can actually disregard city level feats if they cannot even take a bullet, right?
Goku tanked bullets as a kid but this was just one occasion, right?
How frequently did he tank bullets without getting hurt? 2 or 3 times?
How often does Goku need to tank bullets in order to wash his anti feats away? Because Dialga and Palkia showed universe level feat and Arceus distorted entire universe when awakening, so at least 2 universe level feats but you disregard them.
Many answers but I think I'll never get coherent responses...
Also, DBS is stupid but don't act like inconsistencies didn't happen in DBZ already. Just to name a few:
Vegeta got hurt by a few rocks:
Krillin needs to go all out to be faster than a plane (LMFAOOOO)
Again (2x), rock level Goku
Again (3x), Gohan being scared of rocks
Powerlevel of 5 fodder takes attack from characters scaling to multi planetary busters (lol)
Krillin hurt by depris (
)
Oh, we talked about the frequency of high-end feats, right? Can we also talk about the frequency of low-end attacks? Because 3 anti feats when characters were owned by rocks, well... Has Goku ever destroyed a single planet in his entire life? Has he? Because I am not so sure about that? Can we truly scale Goku to other characters? I mean, this dude gets hurt by rock and the strongest human (not counting Uub) got injured by depris (pfft).
Really? Which high-end feats?
I repeat: Has Goku ever destroyed a single planet in his entire life? Has he? Because I am not so sure about that? Can we truly scale Goku to other characters? I mean, this dude gets hurt by rock and the strongest human (not counting Uub) got injured by depris (pfft).
The anime adds a lot of stuff so I am not sure about which feats are actually legit or not. Did Goku also shock the universe when clashing against Beerus in the manga?
At least the pokedex statements are from the games. It depends on whether you view the games as primary sources.
Sure, spoken like a true DBtard because why not? Let's just disregard everything bad about the DB verse and let's wank it to high heavens. God, you DBtards are one of the saddest bunch I've seen lmao.
Bullshit, Pokemon god tiers have 2 -3 high-end feats and the context of the lore makes these completely plausible.
You're just hating on a series. The reason? I don't even know about that.
So even weaker Pokemons can affect an entire dimension? Then you still question their feat when freaking god tiers pull out these feats although they're canonically creators? Bob, make it makes sense, please! BOOOOB!!!
How is that an inconsistency when a weaker Pokemon performs a similar feat?
And really, can you at least post this feat? You're so eager to post all those low-end feats but you talk about a Pokemon lighting up a dimension and there's nothing but talk. I can't check this assertion either to see the actual feat.
Also, it would be an inconsistency to the weaker Pokemon. For example, Cell. He's a far weaker character than Buu but he said he'd blow up the Solar System, yet Buu needs years to destroy hundreds of planets. Buu can't also be Galaxy level since he needed millions of years to destroy one galaxy if I recall correctly.
Um, Batman is not the creator of the universe so I guess... not?
You say Arceus demonstrated a feat over a decade and then jobs to fodders? So he is like the Zeno of the Pokemon verse? You know, that football head character who busted an entire universe but then can't even follow the speed of far weaker characters in that tournament?
Oh Bob, I'm just neutral here because if I was a wanker, I would cite VSBW who put Arceus at Low-Complex Multiverse Level, so be nice to me alright?
Also, I was digging up more when it comes to Arceus and I found even more stuff:
In Pokemon Legend Arceus, his realm transcends space and time:
His realm is even above Giratina's:
And about Giratina, you can read this:
At the top of Mt. Tengan, which rises in the center of the Sinnoh region, something is wrong !? Another world, "Torn World," dominated by a new concept that is neither time nor space, is waiting for you!
A new world called the "Torn World" appears in the Sinnoh Region, where neither time nor space has any control. The legendary PokΓ©mon "Giratina" lurks
A legendary PokΓ©mon that lives in the "Torn World," which is said to be on the other side of the world, where time and space are twisted, there is no concept of time or space
And Arceus destroyed Giratina.
There's also stuff about Palkia:
Creates parallel dimensions
Looking at the fact how fast Dialga and Palkia created a universe, I doubt the timeframe between the creations of those parallel dimensions were ridiculously large.
Also, Arceus is basically everywhere (omnipresent)
You still ain't convinced?
Sure, who needs these fodders when Freezer's henchman fired a mere railgun at Goku:
Sorry buddy, the more I try to research some facts, the more I find anti-feats about Dragon Ball.
I posted some above and they are all from DBZ, not even DBS. Thus, DBS has A LOT MORE of ridiculous anti feats.
How many high-end feats does Goku have? Well starting since end of the Buu saga, the characters kept getting panicked about planet busters, so I can hardly find any legit feat which goes beyond that - talking about the primary source of course.
But Bobby, nothing of that is dumb wanked shit what I'm talking about.
Again, I just cite stuff from either the primary source (see above) or other sources (japanese magazines Ig), if you have to blame someone, blame the authors.
And sorry but Palkia creating parallel dimensions >>> whatever galaxy level shit Beerus performed at the end. Again sorry. I'm so sorry!
Bruh, Necrozma is a legendary Pokemon from the 7th generation, wtf?
You mean that gif?
Arceus from just awakening distorted space time and reality. (Steven posted that)
If so, are you blind? Do you not see the countless galaxies on the background? You know each universe has a different time & space continuum right?
Again, not the primary source lol. This is anime filler, in manga Buu merely forced a hole between dimensions.
This is still inferior when it comes to Palkia creating parallel dimensions and Arceus' realm transcending space and time.
I agree, Buu also solos Beerus. But how can he solo beings who can create several universes and realms above space and time?
Oh so you knew what I was gonna say? Yes, it's an outlier... unfortunately. I'm sorry, Bob.
Eh, I'd rather not... take the advice of a DB wanker, you know? You guys are just delusional so I'm good where I'm at with my current knowledge.
I guess you're the only one misrepresenting shit as the Arceus realm contains several galaxies at least, so I guess the green orb isn't just earth but the entire universe.
You tried flexing on me but failed hard, right? Geez, try better next time.
Oh you started getting bitter? Come on Bob, be nice, okay?
Also, taking the statement of a NPC literally who isn't obviously omniscient? She was questioning the whole thing because she knows no better lmao.
Too bad I'm not a Pokemon wanker, I am a Zelda wanker but nice try using ad hominem.
I don't know if you're headcanoning an entire fictional argument in your head but you're basically putting words into my mouth.
I never said in my previous posts that these concepts are multiverse level, okay? I merely explained you the concept how these creators behave. Sure, one is focused on space, another one in time and Giratina in... distortion(?) but what matters is that all creators are entities who have access over entire space & time.
Palkia isn't fixated with time but he's creating parallel dimensions for example.
Same here with Dialga and Palkia. Also, Dialga created an endless loop to trap Giratina in that distorted world.
What matters is the fact that Arceus is beyond all "inferior" creators like Dialga, Palkia and Giratina. He's basically the Pokemon god. And you cannot argue against that unless future Pokemon games introduce a being who resides in a higher dimension than Arceus, it's that simple.
Nope, that's why I posted some actual feats to back up my claims. Again, I didn't claim they are multiverse level.
Guldo merely stops time by stopping his breath as well as Dio who has limited time stop. How is that comparable to a being who has, once again, absolute control over time? And once again, Dialga has actual feats, so I'm not saying he's x level because he controls time.
Well Bob, you already lost your composure and started attacking me, telling how I should stfu or me being a Pokemon wanker over and over again. You sure there wasn't a legitimate reason why they banned your ass on Comicvine? Because I can imagine why if I see how you're already losing your shit over this mere debate - and I know actual DB downplayers are much more ruthless in CV.
No Bob, I'm not acting like a dishonest jackass - I told you my stance since the beginning of this discussion but you started giving asshole responses to me because you simply do not like the current direction of this discussion.
You don't like when someone calls out your hypocrisy, you don't like when someone uses YOUR LOGIC to downplay a verse and you don't like (no wonders, you're a DBtard) if somebody criticizes your wanked verse.
Sorry Bob but you simply lack self-reflection given the fact how you debate in this discussion and I'm starting to say they did the right thing in CV if you were consistently acting there like here.
Oh, one thing: I was kinda baiting you with the DB stuff since I found it very odd how you consistently downplayed other verses. This was illogical and it reminded me of a certain toxic fanbase, DBtards. Thus, I started to give some analogies to see how you take these. Unfortunately, you completely took my bait and exposed yourself as a DBtard.
Now I'm gonna post some interesting thread why Moro is a fodder. Can I mention you there?
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