Controversial General Political Discussion

[Monkey D Theories]

We could go with that,but not all western nations went around colonizing.Its better to name whatever nation you are jabbing.

Honestly the “west” is just a shorthand for mostly colonial nations and countries adjacent to them. Even those that weren’t colonial benefited due to their proximity to colonial powers.

Like what is “The West”. It has nothing to do with Geography. America is the west, Canada is the west, but Haiti isn’t. I wonder why.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Classic liberalism is different from current day liberals
Current day and age classification is a sham, in reality, liberals are even more right than left.

Liberalism calls for individual liberty, which is what the right wing is all about. Also in liberalism, the government is responsible for social inequities , which is where it clashes with the right ideology

Left wants more governmental control, and since political ideologies now are all about social issues, then the left are more than happy to be liberals. Its a bit confusing I know.

It is this way because the US at its core is a right country, so you can say the far left of America is still the center

That’s apparently what a lot of people believe, I’m not sure myself tbh

I see. In modern day, liberals = far left and conservatives = far right. At least thats how its widely regarded in the US from my standpoint.

We only exclude Florida

Best state in the country.

 

[Roo]

So you're basically saying fascism is a right borne nationalistic movement that utilizes leftist tactics to solidify their oppression, which I agree with. Fascism isn't a simple left or right ideology

@TheAncientCenturion

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

Van is the enemy of the people

So Van is a populist bogeyman?

 

[Roo]

So Van is a populist bogeyman?

He’s the mod that been keeping us down for years. I’ve also heard he single handedly manufactured millions of vaccines and nuked Hawaii

 

[NAMELESS]

Honestly the “west” is just a shorthand for mostly colonial nations and countries adjacent to them. Even those that weren’t colonial benefited due to their proximity to colonial powers.

Like what is “The West”. It has nothing to do with Geography. America is the west, Canada is the west, but Haiti isn’t. I wonder why.

It has the do with money lol if central/south american had money it would be a part of the "west" too.

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

Honestly the “west” is just a shorthand for mostly colonial nations and countries adjacent to them. Even those that weren’t colonial benefited due to their proximity to colonial powers.

Like what is “The West”. It has nothing to do with Geography. America is the west, Canada is the west, but Haiti isn’t. I wonder why.

To be the *West* you need to have big chunk of people of Western European origin and full adoption of their values and culture

The West means the other, that it's different from the Orients (ie Barbarians)

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Honestly the “west” is just a shorthand for mostly colonial nations and countries adjacent to them. Even those that weren’t colonial benefited due to their proximity to colonial powers.

Like what is “The West”. It has nothing to do with Geography. America is the west, Canada is the west, but Haiti isn’t. I wonder why.

The West = Occident
Opposite to the "Orient". It's a made up word like ''Europa'' and ''Asia''

 

[SakazOuki]

@TheAncientCenturion

@MAO Zedong

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

He’s the mod that been keeping us down for years. I’ve also heard he single handedly manufactured millions of vaccines and nuked Hawaii

Damn, Hawaii was rightful owned by us Imperial Japanese

 

[NAMELESS]

To be the *West* you need to have big chunk of people of Western European origin and full adoption of their values and culture

The West means the other, that it's different from the Orients (ie Barbarians)

Brazil=Portuguese colonization,christian religion,a good chunk of the population is white(around ~50%)=not Western.Argentina is mostly white(85%) and isn't considered a part of the "West" either.I think this definition has more to do with money and geopolitics.

 

[Logiko]

We have went over this multiple times. The core values of liberalism are freedom, democracy, equality under the law and individualism. You can’t pick and choose what to considered liberalism

It also oppose to materialist value that are what make the left. What you are mentionning are rightist value. Liberalism stand on the ground that you have power over your environment, while the left is opposed to that.

help as in??

Healthcare system for example like in France

don't know what's that??

"Cis, short for cisgender (pronounced sis-gender, or just sis), is a term that means whatever gender you are now is the same as what was presumed for you at birth. This simply means that when a parent or doctor called you a boy or a girl when you were born, they got it right "

kinda

OKay we agree on this

its better than nothing

So you are fine with Capitalism ?

not fully

What do you mean by we should "not fully" fight patriarchy ?

yes but its changing

We also agree on this

of course

Same, we agree

yes

We agree

yes but not everything

Ah.. What do you mean by, "not everything ?" concerning the GIEC

not fully

Ok

What do you mean by this though? Cis people cant go to the bathroom of the opposing sex or play in competitive sports against the opposite sex, but i have the feeling that you would think its transphobic of me to say transgender people cant either

Yes, it would be transphobic as you wouldn't give the same right for Trans and for other by denying their identity.

Fascism isn't a simple left or right ideology

Yes it is. Its a far right ideology, stop confusing the movement, its historically researched. fascism doesn't use leftist tactic, fascism use far right tactics. Furthermore, fascist perfectly blends with capitalism.

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

Brazil=Portuguese colonization,christian religion,a good chunk of the population is white(around ~50%)=not Western.Argentina is mostly white(85%) and isn't considered a part of the "West" either.I think this definition has more to do with money and geopolitics.

If it's money and geo politics

Then Japanese, Koreans and Taiwan' are western
Because they're westernized through and through and their foreign policy strictly follow the west til today. All their administration style is specifically western one

 

[NAMELESS]

If it's money and geo politics

Then Japanese, Koreans and Taiwan' are western
Because they're westernized through and through and their foreign policy strictly follow the west til today. All their administration style is specifically western one

I have actually seen people in the apricity forum claim the japanese are westerns lol

 

[Roo]

Liberalism stand on the ground that you have power over your environment, while the left is opposed to that.

This is ridiculous and if you truly believe this then call me a right winger cause that is the most pathetic ideology ever

 

[SakazOuki]

Furthermore, fascist perfectly blends with capitalism.

Imagine being this wrong

 

[NAMELESS]

It also oppose to materialist value that are what make the left. What you are mentionning are rightist value. Liberalism stand on the ground that you have power over your environment, while the left is opposed to that.





Healthcare system for example like in France


"Cis, short for cisgender (pronounced sis-gender, or just sis), is a term that means whatever gender you are now is the same as what was presumed for you at birth. This simply means that when a parent or doctor called you a boy or a girl when you were born, they got it right "


OKay we agree on this



So you are fine with Capitalism ?


What do you mean by we should "not fully" fight patriarchy ?


We also agree on this



Same, we agree


We agree



Ah.. What do you mean by, "not everything ?" concerning the GIEC


Ok



Yes, it would be transphobic as you wouldn't give the same right for Trans and for other by denying their identity.




Yes it is. Its a far right ideology, stop confusing the movement, its historically researched. fascism doesn't use leftist tactic, fascism use far right tactics. Furthermore, fascist perfectly blends with capitalism.

We do have power over out environment,but we are also influenced by it.Freedoms doesn't mean=omnipotence.

 

[SakazOuki]

Something very important everyone needs to understand

Dictatorships whether born out of right or left ideologies always revert to leftist tactics, because by default the left calls for governmental control, the perfect setup for any dictator. The fact that a dictator rose to power through convincing people they’re a superior race or as part of a communist party is inconsequential, they all consolidate their tyranny through a leftist approach.

 

[NAMELESS]

Something very important everyone needs to understand

Dictatorships whether born out of right or left ideologies always revert to leftist tactics, because by default the left calls for governmental control, the perfect setup for any dictator. The fact that a dictator rose to power through convincing people they’re a superior race or as part of a communist party is inconsequential, they all consolidate their tyranny through a leftist approach.

yes yes yes yes more more more

 

[AL sama]

Healthcare system for example like in France

of course to an extent

"Cis, short for cisgender (pronounced sis-gender, or just sis), is a term that means whatever gender you are now is the same as what was presumed for you at birth. This simply means that when a parent or doctor called you a boy or a girl when you were born, they got it right "

everyone should've equal human rights

nothing more nothing less

What do you mean by we should "not fully" fight patriarchy ?

I think its needed to a certain degree

Ah.. What do you mean by, "not everything ?" concerning the GIEC

not everything they is a "must do" thing in my opinion