And if you are religious person then you know God gave men Free Will to decide what to do and what not
I was thinking of this when I said "will".

It does not concern you maybe, but as a religious person the starting point of religion is to surrender your will;


According to Sura 13 verse 28 “Those who believe, and whose hearts find satisfaction in the remembrance of Allah,” then your actions are admirable, and your heart surrendered to Allah.

And for Christian fellows;

James 4:7
“Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.”

This bible verse about surrendering to God tells us that by resisting our temptations and strengthening our faith, we will find it easier to surrender and follow God’s will.

Be wary of any temptations and distractions about your desire to surrender to God’s will. For temptations will try to stir you away from your enlightened path.
 
huh?? people need to make plastic

homosexuality is a natural instinct

certainly you can see that much
My point is; natural purpose of sex organs was/is reproduction.

When we talk about homosexuality it comes under the umbrella of "pleasures" or finding "happiness" or where one feels comfortable.

Is not this true? Correct me if I am wrong.
 
“Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.”
Nah this in Christianity means something else, it doesn't mean to loose free will, it just means to follow path of god

We are often told that all good comes from god and all bad comes from devil, so if you are gay and gay stuff feels good to you it means it comes from god
 
The problem here is that you are focused on the concept of "purpose". That's problematic if you want to understand evolution.
Sometimes there is no "purpose" and its ok.
But you cant write the word "evolution" without mentioning "reproduction" asexual or sexual.

How species evolve? A serious question, and I am not trolling. Here to listen and understand your reasoning, which I think is flawed (about evolution).
 
But you cant write the word "evolution" without mentioning "reproduction" asexual or sexual.
Reproduction is just a result of evolution its not a purpose

Homosexuality has (it seems) no purpose, but it's a product of evolution anyway.

I think you are searching to put a hierarchy on what has purpose and what has none. And that's problematic, that's not science.
 
You are Hiruzen Sarotubi, Lord Third of Konoha village
Reports just arrived that the Uchiha are planning a coup in 2 weeks.
It is worthy of note that once civil war starts, the Shinobi world would suffer an all out war with countless casualties

Choose the most suitable answer
A. Let the Uchiha initiate the coup as the priority should be to hold them responsible for the losses
B. Meet them out in force before they start the coup
C. Leave it to trusty Danzo, your childhood friend
D. Attempt an assassination on the coup leaders
E. Try to arrange for negotiations that you know might not work, but at least you're not to blame
F. Act dumb and let Danzo do the job anyway
@lee33 @MarineHQ @TheAncientCenturion @ZenZu @Roo @MonochromeYoru
Option C final answer
 

AL sama

The Wise Wolf
My point is; natural purpose of sex organs was/is reproduction.

When we talk about homosexuality it comes under the umbrella of "pleasures" or finding "happiness" or where one feels comfortable.

Is not this true? Correct me if I am wrong.
everything doesn't have a purpose

however since you're talking from a religious standpoint then let me ask you this

Allah said homosexuality is a sin right?? but who gave people those instincts and why??

don't give me nonsense answers like its a test from him

I have huge issues with how islam views homosexual people as if they aren't humans
 
Reproduction is just a result of evolution its not a purpose

Homosexuality has (it seems) no purpose, but it's a product of evolution anyway.

I think you are searching to put a hierarchy on what has purpose and what has none. And that's problematic, that's not science.
Is it really an evolution?
Evolution is a natural process where organisms change their physical traits "naturally".

From what I read, evolution does not necessarily mean it is good.

Read these misconceptions about evolution:

https://evolution.berkeley.edu/teach-evolution/misconceptions-about-evolution/
 
Is it really an evolution?
Evolution is a natural process where organisms change their physical traits "naturally".

From what I read, evolution does not necessarily mean it is good.

Read these misconceptions about evolution:
Yes, evolution being necessaraly good and a path forward is a missconception. But the problem here is that you give a moral attrait to evolution which is also problematic.

There is no purpose in evolution, it just happens. There is no "intent"

Now I understand your concern. You stand on a extinction leveled argumentation.

Well its simple ask yourself, does homosexuality puts our specie on the verge of extinction ?

The answer is :
no

So there is no reason to fear homosexuality
 

AL sama

The Wise Wolf
everything doesn't have a purpose

however since you're talking from a religious standpoint then let me ask you this

Allah said homosexuality is a sin right?? but who gave people those instincts and why??

don't give me nonsense answers like its a test from him

I have huge issues with how islam views homosexual people as if they aren't humans
Good question and it brings us to common human instincts.

These are seeking, anger, fear, panic-grief, care, pleasure/lust and play.

Homosexuality falls under the pleasure/lust.

Better question would be; Why can we express only certain instincts?
Strong instincts become desires. Like;

- Instinctive desire to engage in homosexuality.

There are also instinctive desire like:

- To be a mass shooter

Who decides which instictive desire is good or bad?

Well, it brings back to the original question, the "purpose".
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Yes, evolution being necessaraly good and a path forward is a missconception. But the problem here is that you give a moral attrait to evolution which is also problematic.

There is no purpose in evolution, it just happens. There is no "intent"

Now I understand your concern. You stand on a extinction leveled argumentation.

Well its simple ask yourself, does homosexuality puts our specie on the verge of extinction ?

The answer is :
no

So there is no reason to fear homosexuality
You are getting my point.

Now please answer how it will not lead to extinction?

If you are smart, you will get the answer; and bring you back to my original question; What's the purpose of sex organs?
 

AL sama

The Wise Wolf
Good question and it brings us to common human instincts.

These are seeking, anger, fear, panic-grief, care, pleasure/lust and play.

Homosexuality falls under the pleasure/lust.

Better question would be; Why can we express only certain instincts?
Strong instincts become desires. Like;

- Instinctive desire to engage in homosexuality.

There are also instinctive desire like:

- To be a mass shooter

Who decides which instictive desire is good or bad?

Well, it brings back to the original question, the "purpose".
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You are getting my point.

Now please answer how it will not lead to extinction?

If you are smart, you will get the answer; and bring you back to my original question; What's the purpose of sex organs?
I ask you again who gave people those instincts and why
 
All of these still exist?!
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Im fine with just the partner for life. If by family you mean having kids.

And fuck religion
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Biological males being allowed in womens bathrooms also isnt the solution. With unisex its not forced on people, because they willingly use it and risk having a transgender individual there
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Im not right wing either and have plenty disagreements with him
?people barely have kids nowadays.Lack of religion breeds nihilism.
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Only miracle is them not getting arrested for all the crimes they commit.
what crimes for fuck's sake?
 
I ask you again who gave people those instincts and why
The One who gave those instincts also gave guidelines.

If you are going to use a product, you need to read the manual given by the Creator.

If you refuse to read manual, and use the product however you want, the blame is not on the Creator.

For example, you have an oven.
In theory, you can put everything in it for the purpose of heating/cooking.

But the manual serves as a guide to what you can use it for without risking your or product's safety.
 
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