[FNZ] Role Madness Metal Gear Mafia - Game Over: Patriots Win [Michelle Only Player Alive]

[Indigo]

You want to kill the most overpowered Town Ability?

what have you done for us townies so far?

 

[Midnight Delight]

I already know I am dying
I will just Double Suicide

@Mr. Reloaded what's your favourite Horror movie

 

[Midnight Delight]

what have you done for us townies so far?

I stopped Polar's lynch

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

I already know I am dying
I will just Double Suicide

@Mr. Reloaded what's your favourite Horror movie

After you just said that, I feel like this is a trap lmao.

 

[Dr. Watson]

Ekko is giving me jester vibes.

As far as reads go so far I'm townreading Pot as he was willingly giving out infos about the riddle. I can't imagine Ekko being in a team because I don't see his scum team letting him piss off people and taking a place in the spotlight on purpose. But I'd still take this with some caution. Unfortunately there's not really more on the table to work with, not sure about Watson or Midnight. The problem is I can't read Watson at all and Midnight was making up all kinds of stuff when he was mafia and got away with it. Him already hinting at something and asking other players for suggestions is giving me mixed feelings.

Two things I'm having problems with:

1) Why is Ekko voting Fuji while hardpushing MUUGEN and why is Fuji wasting so much time trying to talk to Ekko?
2) Why is @Mr. Reloaded sheeping Ekko and is also voting MUUGEN without giving own reasons for his vote?

Currently votes are split on 9 people, MUUGEN got so annoyed that he decided to vote himself, yeah, this is a great first phase for sure.

That's why I was pointing out that I hope it won't be obtained by mafia because I could see the grenade potentially messing with some night actions somehow. While I have a good feeling about Pot I'm still a bit disappointed as I was typing in my answer only minutes before the WU and I falsely thought that I was the one who had solved it

Don't get me wrong though: Now that you have claimed already we have some expectations on you that you have to fulfill. You have to deliver to prove yourself abilitywise now, that's the situation you've gotten yourself into by having claimed so early

(And yeah, I'm aware that I'm currently a bit falling back into my Queen Imu attitude xD)

@Midnight Delight You might have to make a decision regarding your ability soon anyway.

I townread Pot for the way he openly handled everything about the riddle and am inclined to add Polar Bear and Kiku to my town leans. Not so enthusiastic about the AM wagon. Kinda on the same wavelength as hime regarding him. And slots like RA and T-Pein could be left for later or for the vig I'd say. Rhea probably too.

Would be up for lynching Mr. Reloaded, Watson or Orca today. Reloaded hangs on every possible wagon that could be formed, sheeping Ekko and Fuji. While my vote on Watson was initially a pretty obvious joke vote I did not like her reaction to it. I admit that I fail to read her because of her confusing playstyle but this won't also make things any easier for later. And Orca is just a feeling a have that he's trying to blend in this time.

Not too impressed with Fuji's list but I can't remember to have ever been in a round where he was scum, so others can judge better what he would be playing like as mafia. Yoru, Orwellian and Conq pretty much null, we can build pressure on them to possibly get better reads, can also maybe vote one of them. As for Midnight, he hinted about his abilities, so we wait if he delivers. If he doesn't it looks bad for him as I'm not willing to let him get away with all that stuff he might be making up as he did in a previous round.

Rej explained a lot about game mechanics and concepts about mafia rounds but I'm unsure what to think about the rest of his posts. Would be a good candidate for using an investigative ability next night imo. As for Ekko if he's jester or lyncher or something ike that I'm not willing to help him reach his wincon and he is unreadable the way he plays, so to solve his slot there might be also an investigation or something similar be needed to get info about his slot.

My opinions are still the same as I explained in my long post earlier that day. I town lean Kiku, would not be opposed to lynch Watson and am cautious about Rej and Pero. For more detailed explanations read my earlier post. It's not like I haven't shared my opinions about every player there already.

In case Mr. Reloaded is a townie of course. Watson could also soft defend her scummate here. So your change of mind doesn't make the most logical sense in my opinion.

I have no time for an ISO of Orwellian but good luck everyone, that cfd panic helped us so many times in previous rounds

Sounds dumb and I'm embarrassed to say it but maybe we should consider to unlock the terminal instead

First of all, it's around 5:45 am in Germany and I'm only online because I couldn't sleep anyway and I didn't even have my coffee yet.

So, why is everyone and their mother just sheeping Fuji again, voting T-Pein for almost no real reason the second day in a row? I don't even townread Fuji anymore. Saying that the assumed silencing on Ekko must be a scum ability and that it must mean that Ekko is townconfirmed by it used on him is garbage! Literally half of the players wanted Ekko to shut up (and before you get wrong impressions: No, it was not me who used that ability on him). Also don't like the wagon on Kiku as I townread her and it looks like she's getting framed here. In my way of thinking Fuji and Ekko could as well be team members. Even if they are not I'm definitely not gonna follow the wagons on T-Pein or Kiku as I don't like them. Maybe it would really be the time to step up for me and try to lead, unfortunately I probably won't have as much time for this round in general as I thought I would have.

Regarding T-Pein it depends how confident Rej is on him. If he has to offer good reasons for suggesting T-Pein then I'm fine with voting him too.

Okay, I'm giving a quick breakdown of which players I'd be willing to go for today's lynch:

- Rhea: Alwaysmind was double voter and he voted her early, AM is not the most active player, so I think he could have been on to something here, otherwise by threadplay he would not be the biggest threat for mafia
- Mr. Reloaded: Same reasons as yesterdy, opportunistic weasel who's fine to hop on every wagon that's offered
- Dr. Watson: Has gone silent for a while now and I still don't like the reactions on my joke vote on her or about most of her posts in general
- Orca: Gives me a strange meta, hopped on the Kiku wagon after hime, Ekko and T-Pein were on it
- hime: I don't like her posts, on one side she's staying under the radar, on the other side she's too willing to say that this silence ability must come from scum as if it was a sure thing and most importantly she started the wagon on Kiku for reasons that sound like complete asspulls to me.

As for Orwellian, he can be everything but who would not have used that ability in his situation when he was about to get lynched?

Distancing exists. Yoru pointed it out how you kept switching wagons yesterday and you should have noticed I wasn't fond of it either. Also, whenever someone stated something about the possibility of Ekko being scum you were so eager to defend him and giving him a townread for free.

Before rushing things I wanna hear from Rej if he has reasons for his confidence and I want to hear Midnight giving us info on his ability usage. People saying other players are 100 % cleared without having any mechanical reasons for saying this don't look great to me. Maybe it's in character for T-Pein but is Rhea known for doing such things as well?

If Mr. Reloaded would get lynched and flips scum it would change my view drastically as I mentioned before. Would still be up for changing my vote to him if nobody is up to follow me on hime.

@Polar Bear offered he might do something about Ekko and if he really did he gets town points from me :cheers:

Calling my vote a clown vote doesn't sound like you at all, sis, did they tell you in scum chat to fire back at me like this?

First point applies to Mr. Reloaded as well, he does nothing to change anything about his situation, not even voting someone. Second point was that Orwellian used his ability so late that time was running out and for example I personally said before that I can't be around at EoD, so I could not participate at all in voting him even if I wanted.

I offered you the option to fight back against Orca after he counterclaimed you. If I am town and I feel someone is trying to frame me then I fight back but you did absolutely nothing!

Goddamn, how does town even plan to win when town players fail to post in ways that make them look townie to others and when they put no effort in or aren't up for any teamwork in general? We have:

- Ekko open trolling right from the start
- Watson popping up giving some posts nobody understands
- Mr. Reloaded refusing to fight back when accused, making no own suggestions for other lynch candidates
- Rhea being semi-active unfortunately
- hime either not interested in searching for scum or being far from her peak
- T-Pein making him unreadable and only kissing Ekko's butt for no reason
- Midnight giving vague role hints without delivering anything and showing no conviction
- Fuji suggesting lame cfds but being accepted by half the playerbase as townleader without giving it a second thought anyway

And then we wonder afterwards why town always keeps losing...

Read my posts, I've given my lynch candidates. Or you could shoot Ekko instead of kissing his butt.

Are you maybe panicking right now because your plan of scaring us didn't work the way you thought it would?

You are either scum or you should fall on your face hard by doing something stupid like game removing / omega killing a townie and should get your butt kicked afterwards. Both is fine for me, so I'm not scared. It would not be my fault if I get shot by a stupid player making such a garbage decision based on the delusions of another stupid player who can't play mafia properly.

That claim screwed him over for me, he clearly hoped to scare us so we would back off from him but instead it made me go for T-Pein, haha!

Damn, scum team really wanted to see Fuji dead for sure by ending the night early, hoping the doctor didn't make a fast decision. Yoru and Orwellian are moving up on my suspect list as they were arguing against Fuji hard at the beginning of the last phase. Orca also looks more sus than Mr. Reloaded to me now by refusing to vote T-Pein in that cfd. And then, as I mentioned in that deleted post I think Rhea could have gone for town cred by hammering T-Pein with her vote as it was about to be happening anyway.

T-Pein was hard defending Ekko and kept on stating that Ekko was "100 % cleared" by that silencing ability used on him. As we saw T-Pein flipping scum recently the only other reason than them being scummates could be that T-Pein wanted to frame Ekko. But the last ability usages from scum team looks to me that they very reaaallly desperate to avoid T-Pein's lynch last day phase and shortening the night phase also gives me the impression that they are panicking right now. hime wanted to vote me last phase, so did Ekko and Ekko is pushing hard for my lynch today, nothing about them screams town to me. You want absolute mechanical proof or what? Just to remember you: Night was basically skipped, so unless the cop or another investigative role submitted their action super fast nobody could have gotten mechanical results. So, what direction would you suggest for today then?

Wtf are the posts you make today? You think hime and me would have been hardbussing each other?

I voted hime because it's majority and somehow she has more votes on her currently than Ekko. And mafia would be losing the stronger player if she gets lynched. Suspecting both of them and Polar Bear had also presented a good case on hime.

Pot Goblin is still one of my townreads as there was no real reason to share so much info with us about that first riddle. Don't know why he's voting you currently but him being silenced for today could mean something. Could be ISOing his posts later to see if we can find a reason why someone used this on him. I can't see town using this on Pot but it may be an indie ability. Or still scum ability, they first used this on one of their own and then on town, so this doesn't clear Ekko in any way.

Yoru is a big question mark to me, he argued against Fuji but is making good points in general, so I would not be up for lynching him today, especially when there are better candidates.

Pero is a veeeery slight town lean to me currently but I'd still prefer for someone to check him and give us some mechanical result for confirmation. Wished he was more actively scumhunting. Was hoping that Midnight used something on him and would give us info but yeah, Midnight seems to be sitting on his infos if he even got some in the first place...

Doc is Dr. Watson I guess? Had her as scum lean previously but like Rhea she has been moving downwards in my suspect list after T-Pein had flipped scum and I read back how they handled his slot. Also Watson was defending me in her own way that I didn't understand at first, I'm pretty positivie now that she isn't mafia.

@Midnight Delight There is no reason to hold back any info at this point! If you have something about Pero, Polar Bear, hime or Ekko (or anyone else) then spill the beans! Say it out directly, no vague hints that nobody can really understand anymore!

Pot was mostly talking about the coat stuff, mentioned "Siggy" (Random Asshole) one or two times. I could see Random Asshole using the silencing ability on Ekko for sure as Ekko was especially annoying to his slot right from the start but this would not automatically mean that it's scummy. As a townie using it on Pot however would really make me raise an eyebrow. Indigo and Orca were also involved in that coat discussion, as well as Mr. Reloaded. If it was the coat stuff why Pot got silenced one of those three probably didn't like what Pot said about it. So, for who might have a reason to silence Pot out of all players I'd personally narrow it down to those 4 players: Random Asshole, Orca, Indigo, Mr. Reloaded.

I'm starting to imagine that Mr. Reloaded could be an indie.

Wouldn't be surprised if it would be like that. Although I would like to hear your opinion about Orwellian?

This is something that's concerning me btw, with your ability being able to be activated every day you would be basically unlynchable when you can always simply burn the wagon on you. Would be kinda OP for mafia to have an unlynchable member but I'd also see scum complaining about an unlychable townie. Are you maybe a Survivor indie or something like that?

Mix of reads and analysis

1. There's motive to faction kill her after her strong suspicion of Orwellian. However, it can go both ways. Scum struggled with shading JG and finding a way to start a wagon on her, and I think still had some trouble on what to do with her due to this.
Yes - I am in her suspect list, and arguably I could be making these theoretical assumptions to get people suspecting me off my back. Y'all will be extremely disappointed that this is not what I'm doing despite how I come across.

2. She's got a mix of incorrect reads and excellent reads. Result? Spooked scum. She became a danger once she went hard on T. Her stubbornness worked in her favor, detering scum from trying to drive a narrative against her.

3. There's also motive and an argument that is not in Pero's favor. She either caught scum and this was a motivator for sending a faction kill on her. My theory for this one is they might've thought she was a cop and simply distancing herself from an invest role. Which means they got lucky murdering our Doc.

4. She hinted at Doctor and distanced herself from the role by playing coy and trying to redirect scum to someone else via this. (Her hint is in one of the quotes I already can't remember where I quoted it at.)

5. Her read on hime was correct. Scum hypothetically sent the kill on JG out of concern her voice could lead to a Hime lynch. Still not sure on this one, it's breaking my brain.

Reminder these are just theories I'm throwing out here, they're aren't necessarily aligning with my own reads. It's food for thought.

 

[Dr. Watson]

Her strongest read is Pot, it seems. I'm going to put him in a hard town lean and sheep her and try to trust her. I feel that there's a higher likelihood she protected Pot, not Mid.

Fuji is in a similar boat when it comes to me trying to discern their motives and moves. They for sure were spooked and a Fuji wagon is nearly impossible.

So, given this? They're picking the strongest town voices that have potential to guide town and are working their way toward offing the weaker players. They may switch up their tactic, I have no earthly idea what's on store.

 

[Dr. Watson]

Unvote

 

[Dr. Watson]

Because Ekko and you are about to ruin the game (IF you both are town in the first place which I'm not convinced of). It's not sus, it's called common sense. Something that both of you seem to be missing.

I'm townreading Kiku too, so I think this would be another bad shot either way.

You probably think that we would be scared now that you threatened to shoot Fuji, Kiku or me and that we would start to take our votes off from you beause of that, don't you? And that's exactly why I think we shouldn't and why I'm voting you now. I don't fear to get shot and I certainly don't fear you!

I asked for better shot suggestions and no one is offering alternatives.
You did not try to convince me to not nuke you.
You just started flipping out.
Your reaction is not townie at all.
Scummy AF.

Wink wink

 

[Dr. Watson]

@CakeWalker Can I ask you directly in the thread about my one-shot, or do I need to do so in PM?

 

[CakeWalker]

Any questions about anything - should be sent via a PM.

 

[Midnight Delight]

Scum are likely gonna kill me regardless

 

[Midnight Delight]

Trin
Do you trust me

 

[Dr. Watson]

After you just said that, I feel like this is a trap lmao.

wellllll

While he wasn't scum's pick last night phase (possibly any) Mid has basically dangled some treats in front of them by stating he's a power role.
He's officially part of the bigger fish to fry theory if he is being truthful and Fuji's read is on point.

He's definitely on the chopping block next considering we've made his wagon a tad difficult to push like normal. So the defeatist attitude makes sense. We have no doctor, there's no protection for him unless someone obtains a protect fron solving a puzzle (this might be an option for us. Chop chop, Pot, be ready to solve a future puzzle.) Either he gets killed this night phase or the coming one.

I hope that makes sense.
Emphasizing that it's only if he's truly town.

Another note I just thought of: Pot is invaluable, so it's between him and Mid in regards to their decision to use a faction kill tonight. Pot may not be strong leadership, but if he can snipe little one shots or things like grenades before anyone else, they're pretty fucked.

 

[Dr. Watson]

Any questions about anything - should be sent via a PM.

o7

Yes ma'am!

Trin
Do you trust me

Not you specifically any longer, but I trust in Fuji's read on you.

Now that we have no doctor and we assume Fuji is accurate, be sure to go out with a goddamn bang.

 

[Dr. Watson]

I have two plans I'm keeping to myself as a means to use the one shot in a way that's far riskier (for me, possibly other strong town reads being shaded because of it.)

The logic may seem unreasonable or even unconventional and many of you know by now it's my MO at this point. If I survive the DP and miraculously make any sort of sense to most of you in the game, bear with me.

 

[Dr. Watson]

NP*

Granted I don't see myself on the chopping block at all this NP, I do a beautiful job sticking out like a sore thumb and my slot tends to always remain toward the end of the game as a way to drive a mislynch or gaslight me into thinking I'm positively insane.

 

[Midnight Delight]

So don't let me get lynched so I can take down one scum down with me, Relic

 

[Dr. Watson]

@Polar Bear I want to see if you can see what 5D chess moves I'm playing right now. I feel we could be in sync this game or future games. God, I hope we role town masons together sometime.

If you don't know what the 5D moves I'm pulling are and you're town this game, either once I ripperino and town has my flip, look closely to my interactions between JG's and my own scum reads. ;) I'm quite subtle.

 

[Dr. Watson]

So don't let me get lynched so I can take down one scum down with me, Relic

That's the plan depending on how the phase progresses. There's a few factors that'll change my game plan.

Are you worried your actions won't come through? I don't find a lynch relevant in this case because it'd be kind of weird your action wouldn't go through or end up being useless because they sent a faction kill on someone else instead of you.

 

[Dr. Watson]

Well, I don't know your role, you may have some restrictions or something

Unless you have a strong role like Doc or you wind up using your ability on a townie that is faction killed instead of you or Pot that renders it useless?

Like, what exactly are your concerns and how does your worry over your ability being interfered with or canceled out actually relevant to your lynch or kill?