General & Others "The Yonko Have Better Portrayal Than The Admirals"
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He chose to be a pirate, so will treat him as one.
This is how fast they forget all the shit you've done for them.
Ehh I wouldn't say that yet.
Cook.
Also @TheAncientCenturion even you can't just sit by and let this Kuzan slander go unnoticed.
If you're referring to the ships, then yea Kuzan is in same ballpark as Old Garp's raw strength, how many blows he can keep it up for? we don't know. I'm sure you've done boxing on punching bags to know that a person can deliver few blows of the same power as you for a bit and then drop.
Now in a fight? Not at all. When an old dude out of his prime relying on Haki + physical strength and in order to match that you're relying on a DF + Physical strength + Haki, you're not his equal in striking power.
This is bit of a disingenuous argument. It's like me saying Sakazuki downgraded over the two years because he hasn't fought anyone and just been doing paperwork on his desk. Constant training is something all World Government top tiers do. So him not having fought anyone doesn't matter to his growth rate, though the idea him not having fought anybody for sparring or growth purposes while being in the WG is very low, due to how they train.
I fail to see what experience a singular death fight is giving Kuzan that he already wouldn't have going into the fight.
Not to mention the hype of Magellan and Shiryuu wasn't related to taking care of the criminals inside ID, it was related to them making it impenetrable, aka nobody is going in or out for an escape. So no outside force is going to be taking them down, which would at the very least include somebody of Shiki's caliber as he's the major escapee.
Me and you both know Magellan the moment he saw should've neg-diff'd Luffy just as he did Teach+ his entire crew. That everything related to Magellan & Luffy happened in a plot filled scenario. People who were tiers above Luffy (Ivankov/Jinbei/Teach) couldn't do shit to Magellan. So using Luffy scenarios to judge Magellan is also something I personally find disingenuous due to everything else going against it.
He actually took the shockwave better than anyone else on the Blackbeard pirates. Then both him and Teach proceed to take the same exact pose. What exactly is the negative in the scenario? I fail to see it. Taking a straight up attack from the Buddha with no defense is fucking anyone up, doesn't matter who you are..
Sure based on ignorance of feats, but not based on comparison of comparable feats.
Shiryuu was already put in Prison, the reaction of him leaving wouldn't be of equivalent to an established Admiral quitting the Marines and joining with a Yonko. Not to mention this moment was them insulting Sakazuki...
Garp who knows he is, hence he called him "small time impel down thug" as an insult while being enraged. At Marineford he gets a highlighted moment of his joining the Blackbeard Pirates, with the Fleet Admiral himself... So to say nobody cared is also just disingenuous.
So what you're telling me is, the biggest pirate fight Luffy is going to have, against the crew that will be the biggest pirate threat in history... his close in power underling, Zoro... will be having a gimmick fight that doesn't involve straight up display of power against a nigh-top tier character????
Both Teach & Shiryuu are scummy, but you're not gonna say Teach is gonna be a threat to Luffy in a non-clean way. Why should we assume that for Zoro? I'll stop it here before anybody gets on me about slandering Kuzan or what have you, though I'd fail to see how hyping up an ex-World Government person with another ex-World Government person is slandering. (though people been slandering Garp, an actual marine, left and right in order to hype Teach's underling).
I will say this though:
Teach - Top Tier
Shiryuu - Top Tier
Kuzan - Top Tier
Devon - YC1+
Pizzaro - YC1+
By the time they fight the strawhats. That's the only way Teach can surpass Xebec's crew, that had sheer monsters who went on to become Yonko or Yonko tier pirates.
Now in a fight? Not at all. When an old dude out of his prime relying on Haki + physical strength and in order to match that you're relying on a DF + Physical strength + Haki, you're not his equal in striking power.
This is bit of a disingenuous argument. It's like me saying Sakazuki downgraded over the two years because he hasn't fought anyone and just been doing paperwork on his desk. Constant training is something all World Government top tiers do. So him not having fought anyone doesn't matter to his growth rate, though the idea him not having fought anybody for sparring or growth purposes while being in the WG is very low, due to how they train.
I fail to see what experience a singular death fight is giving Kuzan that he already wouldn't have going into the fight.
Not to mention the hype of Magellan and Shiryuu wasn't related to taking care of the criminals inside ID, it was related to them making it impenetrable, aka nobody is going in or out for an escape. So no outside force is going to be taking them down, which would at the very least include somebody of Shiki's caliber as he's the major escapee.
Me and you both know Magellan the moment he saw should've neg-diff'd Luffy just as he did Teach+ his entire crew. That everything related to Magellan & Luffy happened in a plot filled scenario. People who were tiers above Luffy (Ivankov/Jinbei/Teach) couldn't do shit to Magellan. So using Luffy scenarios to judge Magellan is also something I personally find disingenuous due to everything else going against it.
He actually took the shockwave better than anyone else on the Blackbeard pirates. Then both him and Teach proceed to take the same exact pose. What exactly is the negative in the scenario? I fail to see it. Taking a straight up attack from the Buddha with no defense is fucking anyone up, doesn't matter who you are..
Sure based on ignorance of feats, but not based on comparison of comparable feats.
No one really gives two craps about Shiryu, Garp doesn't even know his name. Kuzan is a different story
Garp who knows he is, hence he called him "small time impel down thug" as an insult while being enraged. At Marineford he gets a highlighted moment of his joining the Blackbeard Pirates, with the Fleet Admiral himself... So to say nobody cared is also just disingenuous.
So what you're telling me is, the biggest pirate fight Luffy is going to have, against the crew that will be the biggest pirate threat in history... his close in power underling, Zoro... will be having a gimmick fight that doesn't involve straight up display of power against a nigh-top tier character????
Both Teach & Shiryuu are scummy, but you're not gonna say Teach is gonna be a threat to Luffy in a non-clean way. Why should we assume that for Zoro? I'll stop it here before anybody gets on me about slandering Kuzan or what have you, though I'd fail to see how hyping up an ex-World Government person with another ex-World Government person is slandering. (though people been slandering Garp, an actual marine, left and right in order to hype Teach's underling).
I will say this though:
Teach - Top Tier
Shiryuu - Top Tier
Kuzan - Top Tier
Devon - YC1+
Pizzaro - YC1+
By the time they fight the strawhats. That's the only way Teach can surpass Xebec's crew, that had sheer monsters who went on to become Yonko or Yonko tier pirates.
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What in the frick is going on guys, are you all possessed by Yanker souls because this Admiral slander ain't normal.
This is how fast they forget all the shit you've done for them.
Ehh I wouldn't say that yet.
Cook.
Also @TheAncientCenturion even you can't just sit by and let this Kuzan slander go unnoticed.
This is how fast they forget all the shit you've done for them.
Ehh I wouldn't say that yet.
Cook.
Also @TheAncientCenturion even you can't just sit by and let this Kuzan slander go unnoticed.
Not Curiel's replacement crippled YC10 Kuzan
Somebody who gets it.
Like why tf should I care about Kuzan as a Marine fan, when big man Saka doesn't care.
Protecting his bro after crippling him.
"Atleast I didn't kill you bro, just some tough love"
Like why tf should I care about Kuzan as a Marine fan, when big man Saka doesn't care.
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Protecting his bro after crippling him.
"Atleast I didn't kill you bro, just some tough love"
Maybe in a manga focused around martials arts but not OP
Shiryu might get KO'd from one anyway, he was bleeding from a casual ground slam by a Garp that just got mortally stabbed
My original argument was Kuzan's physical strength/ raw striking power, which is equal to Garp
But seeing how Kuzan is crippled now it should decrease his striking power, maybe thats why he needs his df now
I'd give the haki edge to Garp either way
The threats Admirals have to deal with are incomparable to that of Impel Down staff. They are tasked with safekeeping the entirety of the World Government operations, and that extends to dealing with entire Yonko crews as we saw on multiple occasions. What experience does Shiryu have compared to that.
A 10 day deathmatch with an Admiral, the toughest battle of his life.
I fail to see how this not a groundbreaking experience, I doubt anyone in the verse went through such strenous battle
But Shiki did escape, why are you assuming these two can fight someone like Shiki. Impel Down is impenetrable for multiple reasons, namely the gates of justice, proximity to NavyHQ and ofcourse tight security, but that doesn't translate to these two being capable of dealing with a PK level combatant. Gotta give it to Magellan tho, when it comes to fodder control he's unmatched.
He can neg diff him on the spot, but the point is no top tier is dropping on his knee from that punch
Maybe Teach but Teach is Teach for a reason
-Shiryu can't interfere in a fight between Garp and Kuzan without a third party like Coby
-Garp stops Shiryu from killing Coby but could barely spot Hibari getting frozen
-Shiryu on his deathbed from casual slam from Garp
-Comparing Admiral feats and portrayal in general to Shiryu
Good point
Sengoku asking normal questions about Magellan
I see zero panic about Shiryu himself, a supposed top tier, just entering the fray with these thugs
Zoro is not gonna fight someone stronger than Kuzan, then fight someone stronger than the guy stronger than Kuzan -Mihawk-, when Luffy is gonna fight Sakazuki later on in the story, it doesn't work. Luffy and Zoro are not close in power, or at least this is what Oda is leading us to believe. At least not their opponents lol
Teach and Shiryu are very different tho
Teach makes scummy schemes, Shiryu fights in a scummy way.
Not only is his fruit sneaky, but he also seemed to be a sneaking expert when he destroyed the ID control room, he is that guy
Shiryu might get KO'd from one anyway, he was bleeding from a casual ground slam by a Garp that just got mortally stabbed
My original argument was Kuzan's physical strength/ raw striking power, which is equal to Garp
But seeing how Kuzan is crippled now it should decrease his striking power, maybe thats why he needs his df now
I'd give the haki edge to Garp either way
The threats Admirals have to deal with are incomparable to that of Impel Down staff. They are tasked with safekeeping the entirety of the World Government operations, and that extends to dealing with entire Yonko crews as we saw on multiple occasions. What experience does Shiryu have compared to that.
A 10 day deathmatch with an Admiral, the toughest battle of his life.
I fail to see how this not a groundbreaking experience, I doubt anyone in the verse went through such strenous battle
But Shiki did escape, why are you assuming these two can fight someone like Shiki. Impel Down is impenetrable for multiple reasons, namely the gates of justice, proximity to NavyHQ and ofcourse tight security, but that doesn't translate to these two being capable of dealing with a PK level combatant. Gotta give it to Magellan tho, when it comes to fodder control he's unmatched.
He can neg diff him on the spot, but the point is no top tier is dropping on his knee from that punch
Maybe Teach but Teach is Teach for a reason
-Shiryu can't interfere in a fight between Garp and Kuzan without a third party like Coby
-Garp stops Shiryu from killing Coby but could barely spot Hibari getting frozen
-Shiryu on his deathbed from casual slam from Garp
-Comparing Admiral feats and portrayal in general to Shiryu
Good point
Sengoku asking normal questions about Magellan
I see zero panic about Shiryu himself, a supposed top tier, just entering the fray with these thugs
Zoro is not gonna fight someone stronger than Kuzan, then fight someone stronger than the guy stronger than Kuzan -Mihawk-, when Luffy is gonna fight Sakazuki later on in the story, it doesn't work. Luffy and Zoro are not close in power, or at least this is what Oda is leading us to believe. At least not their opponents lol
Teach and Shiryu are very different tho
Teach makes scummy schemes, Shiryu fights in a scummy way.
Not only is his fruit sneaky, but he also seemed to be a sneaking expert when he destroyed the ID control room, he is that guy
