Who have stronger EMS?+

[Angel90]

Itachi or Obito?

 

[MonsterKaido]

Obito by far

 

[Roo]

Neither have ems....

 

[NAMELESS]

Kamui is broken.

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but lets not forget Obito could only spam Kamui thnx to the hashirama cells in his body.I think Itachi MS is more versatile.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Itachi would be stronger simply because he’s got more innate talent and skill.

 

[Roo]

Itachi would be stronger simply because he’s got more innate talent and skill.

There's simply no bypassing Kamui, and Obito's Susanoo is as broken as his eyes are as well

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

There's simply no bypassing Kamui, and Obito's Susanoo is as broken as his eyes are as well

Obito thinks otherwise.

 

[Roo]

Obito thinks otherwise.

Aka Itachi had no idea how Kamui works. That is my point, kamui is pretty much invincible unless you're konan and prep for 20 years.

Now imagine dealing with a long range version, that 2x it's speed when both eyes lock in on a target. There's no beating that

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Aka Itachi had no idea how Kamui works. That is my point, kamui is pretty much invincible unless you're konan and prep for 20 years.

Now imagine dealing with a long range version, that 2x it's speed when both eyes lock in on a target. There's no beating that

It wasn’t Kamui that saved him but Izanagi. Kamui can’t remove the flames.

 

[Roo]

It wasn’t Kamui that saved him but Izanagi. Kamui can’t remove the flames.

irrc the databook states it was his phasing ability that allowed him to get rid of the flames

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

irrc the databook states it was his phasing ability that allowed him to get rid of the flames

Can you post the panel? I’ve never heard of that before.

 

[Roo]

Can you post the panel? I’ve never heard of that before.

which would make sense considering Obito's reaction speed is 20x a simple amateratsu lol.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

which would make sense considering Obito's reaction speed is 20x a simple amateratsu lol.

Only he got hit by Amaterasu. I’m not sure I’m buying this because one Amaterasu burns you, it’s on you. It doesn’t make sense for it to be able to be discarded that easily.

 

[Roo]

Only he got hit by Amaterasu. I’m not sure I’m buying this because one Amaterasu burns you, it’s on you. It doesn’t make sense for it to be able to be discarded that easily.

In the grand scheme of things Amaterasu is a joke. Naruto literally shrugged it off. Obito being able to phase and the fire being bound by this dimension isn't that big of strech

Anyways, like I've said before DMS Obito is probably the most broken character in the story. The only people who can compete are god levels and maybe Hashi

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

In the grand scheme of things Amaterasu is a joke. Naruto literally shrugged it off. Obito being able to phase and the fire being bound by this dimension isn't that big of strech

Anyways, like I've said before DMS Obito is probably the most broken character in the story. The only people who can compete are god levels and maybe Hashi

And EMS Itachi

 

[SkySanji]

Not even a debate, Tsukuyomi negs Obito and there's nothing he can do about it, of course a sword that can cut through and seal anything and a shield that can block anything are pretty good too.

 

[Roo]

Not even a debate, Tsukuyomi negs Obito and there's nothing he can do about it, of course a sword that can cut through and seal anything and a shield that can block anything are pretty good too.

base sharingan eye can counter tsukuyomi, why wouldn't the best genjutsu user aside from Madara break tsukuyomi?

 

[MonsterKaido]

Tsukiyomi obito can break it in his dreams. Amaterasu is non factor to Kamui user.

 

[SkySanji]

base sharingan eye can counter tsukuyomi, why wouldn't the best genjutsu user aside from Madara break tsukuyomi?

To be fair, it's not really known if Sasuke did break out of it or if Itachi let him out of it, obviously Itachi never intended for Sasuke to lose so it wouldn't make sense to keep him in Tsukuyomi which is an automatic loss otherwise, and we know Itachi can do this because he did it during their fight with Kabuto.

And Kakashi seems pretty convinved that Genjutsu resisting methods are irrelevant to Tsukuyomi, and he's as good a source as any given that he fell victim to it.

Though I don't see what Obito being a potent Genjutsu user has to do with him breaking out of a Genjutsu, Danzo could use Kotoamatsukami and yet was caught by a basic Sharingan Genjutsu from Sasuke...

 

[Roo]

To be fair, it's not really known if Sasuke did break out of it or if Itachi let him out of it, obviously Itachi never intended for Sasuke to lose so it wouldn't make sense to keep him in Tsukuyomi which is an automatic loss otherwise, and we know Itachi can do this because he did it during their fight with Kabuto.

And Kakashi seems pretty convinved that Genjutsu resisting methods are irrelevant to Tsukuyomi, and he's as good a source as any given that he fell victim to it.

Zetsu's entire schtick is intel and was raised by Madara, his word >>> Kakashi's IMO

Danzo could use Kotoamatsukami and yet was caught by a basic Sharingan Genjutsu from Sasuke...

Danzo relied on a potent hax dojutsu, Obito was trained in genjutsu by madara. Obito actually has the skills and talent to use a Komo level genjutsu without the hax ability.