Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1094 Spoilers Discussion

Why did Saturn transform?


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So for you base Luffy = G5 Luffy . If the serious Kaido that was fighting G4 and even more, G5 was fighting base Luffy he would get murked in seconds.

Its called holding back, he canonically holds back to enjoy fights. Im disappointed in this assessment bro.
This isn't even an agenda driven take of mine but purely based on each fighters speciality.

What Luffy needed against Kaido was AP. Something to block his club strikes while simultaneously inflicting enough damage to take him down. For both of these aCoC was the perfect PU because it's an AP amplifier.

Luffy was already able to dodge Kaido and keep up with him in the speed department pre aCoC. That's the difference with Kizaru. When we saw them fight Oda immediately used Snakeman because it's Luffy's fastest pre G5 ability. AP wasn't the issue (well it was as well but we assume he just didn't use aCoC in Snakeman) but speed.

I know G5 doesn't visually impress enough to show it but the mode is both stronger physically and faster than any previous Gear, it combines both which is why it is his peak.

I know that Kaido keeps playing around but I'm pretty sure that when he entered drunken mode is when he truly went all out. There is a reason why G4 wasn't a big upgrade for Luffy against Kaido because gaining speed and a bit of AP would do no major difference. He needed to punch harder as simple as it sounds.
 

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So for you base Luffy = G5 Luffy . If the serious Kaido that was fighting G4 and even more, G5 was fighting base Luffy he would get murked in seconds.

Its called holding back, he canonically holds back to enjoy fights. Im disappointed in this assessment bro.
Nah I don't think that's fair to say. It goes like this as per canon.

G2/3 ~ Hybrid Kaidou
G4 ~< Drunk Kaidou
G5 >~ All out Kaidou

Kaidou still wins because he has far more stamina than Luffy, but in those modes alone his combat capabilities line up with Kaidou's in that manner.
 
At this point this is complete headcanon.

Luffy said hello to Kizaru with advCoC, uses FS with Snakeman, is in his peak form G5 which is draining him, and is shown using advCoC when he landed for the first time this fight.

Luffy is throwing the entire kitchen sink, and he's exhausted. Sure he can power through it with sheer willpower, but that's where we are at rn.



That's not he issue alone, anything below G5 looking like chop liver is. Hopefully I'm wrong, as I don't want G4 and below to become useless, I thought we were past that stage when he could go toe to toe with Kaidou without even G4. So maybe this is just a Kizaru exclusive thing.

Which shows you how big of a problem Kizaru is.
Luffy hasn’t used no touch haki, barrier haki, and when it comes to future sight there is no way to tell unless told. When it comes to whether something is just armament or armament + conquerors I’m not going to argue either way but there has not been any real indications

He hasn’t tho
So far all that’s happened
  1. Base luffy kicked kizaru with him blocking
  2. Snakeman and kizaru clash with kizaru super speed kicking him. Leading luffy to complain more about the light barrier than the attack itself
  3. Luffy almost threw him into the ocean
  4. Handled his light clones easily with a stomp and whip
  5. Now he landed the star attack
He 100% hasn’t gone nearly all out like he did against kaido
Luffy isn’t weaker than unawakened kizaru and kizaru isn’t stronger than kaido

Base luffy while spamming advanced haki isn’t fodder to kizaru let alone when you add gears 2-4
 
I have a hard time putting Luffy anywhere below Kaido when both are fresh. Luffy has shown how far he can push Kaido in Base but that won't work against Kizaru because he's too fast for any form below G5.
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Was the atmosphere over there always this good because wow
Nah he's below Kaido , how tf luffy is handing Kaido when he has 10 min of stamina against Kaido who has a Kingly stamina :shocking:
 
I didn't, and I still think he doesn't look good. Replace Luffy with another top tier rn, you'll see what I mean. He is getting the underdoggish treatment. When I thought we were past that.

If this was Shanks vs Kizaru, Kaidou vs Kizaru etc. and they were looking like Luffy does rn, using their peak forms and all their energy just to get Kizaru to notice them or remain competitive, they would be clowned to death.
Luffy’s been using nothing but low tier G5 moves against Kizaru
 
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