Controversial General Political Discussion

[Tobra]

nobody gives a shit? Israel’s funding and violation of human rights are constant topics in western media

If you want to justify the targeted murder and rape of unarmed civilians, including kids just say it.

constant topic but what’s done about it

i don’t support the killing and raping of civilians and kids but israel has been doing the same for a long time just distributed over periods of time, this was a response to years if not decades of escalation and provocation, it’s not the first time innocent civilians has been killed in the region

 

[Roo]

constant topic but what’s done about it

i don’t support the killing and raping of civilians and kids but israel has been doing the same for a long time just distributed over periods of time, this was a response to years if not decades of escalation and provocation, it’s not the first time innocent civilians has been killed in the region

Hamas has also constantly attacked Israel over periods of times(obviously not to the same proportions)

it’s just not retaliation, it is literally in their ideology to murder all Jews. I’m not joking look that shit up

 

[Malakhith]

constant topic but what’s done about it

i don’t support the killing and raping of civilians and kids but israel has been doing the same for a long time just distributed over periods of time, this was a response to years if not decades of escalation and provocation, it’s not the first time innocent civilians has been killed in the region

It really looks like you're trying to justify terrorists with the worst excuse possible.

The fact of the matter is that the leaders that ordered those attacks are safe and sound in other countries and the Palestinians will suffer and die because of their actions. The end result of those attempts is that actual conciliation will not progress.

 

[Itachik069]

Yet here you are in a western forum LMAO

Dont forget to watch TV, where *intellegent* people in suit will brainwash you.
They are going to brainwash you without your permission, cause u let them do whatever they want to.
You already lost. Cause you dont have ur opinion, just a scream of another victim of TVs.

 

[NAMELESS]

You guys think this security breach in Israel is related to the left wing x right wing tension that happened this year in there?

 

[Tobra]

Hamas has also constantly attacked Israel over periods of times(obviously not to the same proportions)

it’s just not retaliation, it is literally in their ideology to murder all Jews. I’m not joking look that shit up

hamas also attacking(retaliation or not) doesn’t change the fact that the palestinian side’s death count and injuries is 10 folds that of the israeli side


and israeli dont want the deaths of the arabs, there are plenty of videos of israeli civilians chanting death to the arabs, setting up seats to watch gaza getting bombed, making israeli children write ”from israeli children to arab children” on rockets. is that not an ideology of wanting all arabs eradicated?

It really looks like you're trying to justify terrorists with the worst excuse possible.

The fact of the matter is that the leaders that ordered those attacks are safe and sound in other countries and the Palestinians will suffer and die because of their actions. The end result of those attempts is that actual conciliation will not progress.

i just said i don’t support it, i don’t support hamas and i know all about their leaders and who supports them

im responding to the new narrative that israel are some pacifists that only kill palestinians when israellis are killed


no conflict in history remains black and white even when there is clear oppressor and oppressed, innocent civilians still suffer

but it does change the dynamic of whos oppressed and whos oppressing

 

[Roo]

hamas also attacking(retaliation or not) doesn’t change the fact that the palestinian side’s death count and injuries is 10 folds that of the israeli side

You said this was retaliation which paints Hamas as some saints who finally snapped and are fighting back when that is obviously not the case. Bringing up the death count is a cheap way to pivot away from Hamas’s fault in this

and israeli dont want the deaths of the arabs, there are plenty of videos of israeli civilians chanting death to the arabs, setting up seats to watch gaza getting bombed, making israeli children write ”from israeli children to arab children” on rockets. is that not an ideology of wanting all arabs eradicated?

Difference is Hamas literally has the genocide of all Jews in their charter. It is their expressive goals to eliminate all Jews. The extermination of all Palestinians are nowhere near the Israeli law.


Palestinian citizens were also celebrating the recent terrorist attacks but I didn’t bring them up did I? I am strictly talking about the people in charge

 

[NAMELESS]

You said this was retaliation which paints Hamas as some saints who finally snapped and are fighting back when that is obviously not the case. Bringing up the death count is a cheap way to pivot away from Hamas’s fault in this


Difference is Hamas literally has the genocide of all Jews in their charter. It is their expressive goals to eliminate all Jews. The extermination of all Palestinians are nowhere near the Israeli law.


Palestinian citizens were also celebrating the recent terrorist attacks but I didn’t bring them up did I? I am strictly talking about the people in charge

Creating a Jewish State in the middle east and right next to Jerusalem was a very dumb move to begin with.

 

[Roo]

Creating a Jewish State in the middle east and right next to Jerusalem was a very dumb move to begin with.

Israel shouldn’t had existed in the first place but here we are. Erasing it right now will only lead to genocide

 

[Malakhith]

You guys think this security breach in Israel is related to the left wing x right wing tension that happened this year in there?

I don't think so. It would be stupid. It's more reasonable to assume human error.

But I bet both sides will use this as ammunition in the next election.

 

[Tobra]

You said this was retaliation which paints Hamas as some saints who finally snapped and are fighting back when that is obviously not the case. Bringing up the death count is a cheap way to pivot away from Hamas’s fault in this

did i say they were saints? it can be both a retaliation and something horrible, it doesn’t have to be a contradiction

as for the death count, it’s not a cheap way, it’s a relevant fact in this overall conflict because of the sudden emergence of the narrative that israel only acts in self defense

and im not pivoting from hamas’s fault because i think they are at fault and already said i don’t support it

Difference is Hamas literally has the genocide of all Jews in their charter. It is their expressive goals to eliminate all Jews. The extermination of all Palestinians are nowhere near the Israeli law.


Palestinian citizens were also celebrating the recent terrorist attacks but I didn’t bring them up did I? I am strictly talking about the people in charge

because israel can’t have goals like that written if they want to be recognized as a legitimate country while hamas can because they’re a militant group

you said i brought civilians chanting death for arabs when we were strictly speaking about people in charge, i said it because the sentiment is shared by israeli leaders, netanyahu israeli’s current leader openly said he wishes death for arabs and making children write messages for arab children on rockets it wasn’t by civilians someone in charge made it happen

 

[Debanv]

Hamas literally attacked a rave full of civilians lmao

god I am glad this thread is semi hidden. Literally the most retarded people here

You're the retarded one, Israelis are killing and deporting Palestinians for decades. No one gives a shit, we're not saying what Hamas did is ok, but we're asking why are you taking position now for the israelis, when they are doing the same shit for decades.

Just assume the fact that you hate muslims that's all

 

[Roo]

as for the death count, it’s not a cheap way, it’s a relevant fact in this overall conflict because of the sudden emergence of the narrative that israel only acts in self defense

It is irrelevant because it has nothing to do with our conversation. If you want to shadow box someone do it outside of our conversation.

also Palestinians having a higher death count doesn’t mean it isn’t out of acts of self defense. One of the biggest criticisms of Israel is the fact that their counter attacks lead more Palestinian civilians dead than vice verse.

because israel can’t have goals like that written if they want to be recognized as a legitimate country while hamas can because they’re a militant group

So Israel doesn’t and you’re just making shit up

you said i brought civilians chanting death for arabs when we were strictly speaking about people in charge, i said it because the sentiment is shared by israeli leaders, netanyahu israeli’s current leader openly said he wishes death for arabs

Source on this? I knew Netenyahu is a pos but I’ve never heard him openly call for the deaths of all Arabs

 

[Malakhith]

i just said i don’t support it, i don’t support hamas and i know all about their leaders and who supports them

im responding to the new narrative that israel are some pacifists that only kill palestinians when israellis are killed


no conflict in history remains black and white even when there is clear oppressor and oppressed, innocent civilians still suffer

but it does change the dynamic of whos oppressed and whos oppressing

You state that don't support the group while giving excuses for their actions and actually lying about things. This just looks like a veiled support to terrorists.

It was already pointed to you that western media does not ignore the actions of Israel and it is condemned. Plenty of times they had to answer to ONU about war crimes. It was never pointed that Israeli are pacifists, on the contrarie, as soon as some conflict erupts plenty of people appear to complain about Israel and make people remember every single dirty laundry they have. Including you.

Ignoring the actions of a terrorist group with this argument that '' nothing is black and white'' is inexcusable man.

 

[NAMELESS]

I don't think so. It would be stupid. It's more reasonable to assume human error.

But I bet both sides will use this as ammunition in the next election.

For sure this will be used as a political tool,but even Hamas was surprised they didn't face any retaliation hours into the attack.Something is very fishy here.

 

[Malakhith]

For sure this will be used as a political tool,but even Hamas was surprised they didn't face any retaliation hours into the attack.Something is very fishy here.

I understand. Some part of me actually thinks that there's a chance of someone planning a genocide and creating excuses but, at the same time, it would be something would not be possible to cover.

Human error is more reasonable. But I agree that it's a possibility. I just don't know if they could do it.

 

[NAMELESS]

I understand. Some part of me actually thinks that there's a chance of someone planning a genocide and creating excuses but, at the same time, it would be something would not be possible to cover.

Human error is more reasonable. But I agree that it's a possibility. I just don't know if they could do it.

Cover?Russia is massacring civilians in Ukraine.Evil politicians will do crazy things if they can get away with it.

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Israel shouldn’t had existed in the first place but here we are. Erasing it right now will only lead to genocide

The two state solution is the only one that makes sense,but Hamas wants Israel to give back ALL of their lands.There is no solution in sight.

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I understand. Some part of me actually thinks that there's a chance of someone planning a genocide and creating excuses but, at the same time, it would be something would not be possible to cover.

Human error is more reasonable. But I agree that it's a possibility. I just don't know if they could do it.

Cover?Russia is massacring civilians in Ukraine.Evil politicians will do crazy things if they can get away with it.

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The two state solution is the only one that makes sense,but Hamas wants Israel to give back ALL of their lands.There is no solution in sight.

That said,i don't believe there are enough jews in the Idf,Mossad and Gov that would be willing to sacrifice Israeli lives for this.

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Ironically,i have seen extreme left wing parties in Brazil supporting Palestine and Hamas. @Monkey D Theories

 

[Monkey D Theories]

i once met a Rabbi from Israel. He seemed like a cool guy.

He lived up in Galilee and did a bunch on interfaith projects with Muslims and Christians to try to bring the community together.

hope he’s doing alright

 

[NAMELESS]

i once met a Rabbi from Israel. He seemed like a cool guy.

He lived up in Galilee and did a bunch on interfaith projects with Muslims and Christians to try to bring the community together.

People like this guy must feel like their work is useless in times like these.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Creating a Jewish State in the middle east and right next to Jerusalem was a very dumb move to begin with.

Yeah Israel existence in the first place was a mistake.
Yet now that it exists and 10 million people are living here, one can’t reasonably ask for it to disappear.
I honestly don’t see a peaceful solution, especially with America not even considering Israel illegal settlements (by international law) illegitimate anymore. Both side need to make concessions. Israel cannot just cease to exist but there also need to return from the borders from back then, and to stay that way.