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They lied about babies getting beheaded. They lied about that girl at the festival getting killed. Pardon me for putting 0 stocks on these so called beheaded people that the zionist stooges keep yapping about.
Who would've thought it, zionists were paddling lies *shocker*
The girls mother confirming she's alive but with a head injury in hospital.
Who would've thought it, zionists were paddling lies *shocker*
The girls mother confirming she's alive but with a head injury in hospital.
Well, we have time before America ends up in an Israel like situation, fascism (or rather crypto fascism) in america is right now enclaved in the mind of self proclamed intellectual like Walsh or Shapiro to name the known face. But yeah, it could grow if someone like Desantis or Trump is once again elected.
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Concerning the situation in Gaza and Israel, we have to be careful not to confuse the nature of the attack of the Hamas with the nature of the attack of the gov of Israel.
The attack of the Hamas, granted horrific, are only symptomonius of the situation of the people of Palestine and the open sky concentration camp that is Gaza. Those are the hatred attack of people put at their limits, its like if you put a cat (note: palestianian are NOT animals) in a cage, don't feed it for three weeks and poke it with a stick. If you approach closely, it will take your eye and play with it. Which is fondamentaly logical.
The attack of Israel is completely different. First in scale, we are talking here about bombing that will make thousands of victims. But its first and moreso an ideological attack. Its an ethnical cleansing. Added to the fact that it is the attack of an oppressive colonial states. All of this is not powered by hate only, but also by the dehumanization of an entire spectrum of population. And it did not start with the bombing.
So, the next time you see someone say "yes, but Hamas did that". No. The hamas is not the tool of an colonial and oppressive state. There are monsters in there, sure. But those are just the product of 80 years of colonialism and human right depravations.
Yes, a cat can become a monster under certain horrific conditions, but never forget who puts him in a cage in the first place.
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Concerning the situation in Gaza and Israel, we have to be careful not to confuse the nature of the attack of the Hamas with the nature of the attack of the gov of Israel.
The attack of the Hamas, granted horrific, are only symptomonius of the situation of the people of Palestine and the open sky concentration camp that is Gaza. Those are the hatred attack of people put at their limits, its like if you put a cat (note: palestianian are NOT animals) in a cage, don't feed it for three weeks and poke it with a stick. If you approach closely, it will take your eye and play with it. Which is fondamentaly logical.
The attack of Israel is completely different. First in scale, we are talking here about bombing that will make thousands of victims. But its first and moreso an ideological attack. Its an ethnical cleansing. Added to the fact that it is the attack of an oppressive colonial states. All of this is not powered by hate only, but also by the dehumanization of an entire spectrum of population. And it did not start with the bombing.
So, the next time you see someone say "yes, but Hamas did that". No. The hamas is not the tool of an colonial and oppressive state. There are monsters in there, sure. But those are just the product of 80 years of colonialism and human right depravations.
Yes, a cat can become a monster under certain horrific conditions, but never forget who puts him in a cage in the first place.
So please, show me in the video all the 14 aspects that are present in his definition (pro-tip: you won't because this is not a israeli video)
After all you are trying to use a video of people supporting the killing of Palestines and extrapolating for that a political system in a totally different country. It's like if I showed a clip from Norwen and claimed that this is proof that Argentina is fascist.
Fascism is a political system. Posting articles about Israel and claiming that their actions during the years are fascist is ok but the video is not proof of fascism in any way, shape or form.
After all you are trying to use a video of people supporting the killing of Palestines and extrapolating for that a political system in a totally different country. It's like if I showed a clip from Norwen and claimed that this is proof that Argentina is fascist.
Fascism is a political system. Posting articles about Israel and claiming that their actions during the years are fascist is ok but the video is not proof of fascism in any way, shape or form.
Actually, we have fact checkers in France that were unable to prove the truth behind that baby attack.
We must be careful with such sensational information. Baby massacres are sometimes used by powers to sell wars.
Check this declaration:
You've seen it ? Well it was fake. This girl is the daughter of a koweitien ambassador and was coatched by a society to bring up a false testimony about a massacre of babies. It was part of an american compaign to sell the gulf wars to the occident.
Be VERY careful about the information, when its about babies..
Before being a political system, fascism is an IDEOLOGY.
Second, granted I called it fascism, but I should have rather called it a SYMPTOM of fascism to be clearer which is still a face of fascism. DEHUMANIZATION and inferiorization of the ennemy.
Third, the rise of fascism in Israel is pretty clear. The cult of the strong. The ultra nationalism. Negation of self critic. Elitism. Permanent war. Action for action etc.
Israel is not a full fascist state yet. But the ideology, ergo fascism, is here and well established.
We must be careful with such sensational information. Baby massacres are sometimes used by powers to sell wars.
Check this declaration:
You've seen it ? Well it was fake. This girl is the daughter of a koweitien ambassador and was coatched by a society to bring up a false testimony about a massacre of babies. It was part of an american compaign to sell the gulf wars to the occident.
Be VERY careful about the information, when its about babies..
Before being a political system, fascism is an IDEOLOGY.
Second, granted I called it fascism, but I should have rather called it a SYMPTOM of fascism to be clearer which is still a face of fascism. DEHUMANIZATION and inferiorization of the ennemy.
Third, the rise of fascism in Israel is pretty clear. The cult of the strong. The ultra nationalism. Negation of self critic. Elitism. Permanent war. Action for action etc.
Israel is not a full fascist state yet. But the ideology, ergo fascism, is here and well established.
And all of this that you said has nothing to do with the video. That's all I said.
The video by itself is no proof of fascism in Israel. It's proof that a group of people hate Hamas (or Palestinians) enough to wish them all dead.
Claiming that everything is fascism just makes the word lose it's meaning. If you want to sprout rhetoric defending the massacre of jews by Hamas just claim that the support for genocide of Palestinians exists with the video as proof to justify it. But this crusade to use everything to try and make people sympathize with terrorists is weird.
The video by itself is no proof of fascism in Israel. It's proof that a group of people hate Hamas (or Palestinians) enough to wish them all dead.
Claiming that everything is fascism just makes the word lose it's meaning. If you want to sprout rhetoric defending the massacre of jews by Hamas just claim that the support for genocide of Palestinians exists with the video as proof to justify it. But this crusade to use everything to try and make people sympathize with terrorists is weird.
are you guys saying all of those people are lying about the babies?
it's been posted by so many different news sources
"It is a horror, a massacre. For those asking for the source. They are multiple: Israeli army, internal intelligence service and atrocious images which reached me and which I was able to cross-check,” she said. “But the best source remains this: courageous journalists from the foreign press who were able to see / agreed to see with their own eyes the bodies in Kfar Aza."
Margot Haddad is a multimedia journalist, a field producer and on air reporter for French, U.S. and U.K. media. She most recently served as an international news field producer for CNN. She is a graduate of the Columbia University Journalism School.
Is she also lying? is this all one big conspiracy? I don't think so
seems like you'll stick to your opinions no matter what even given the evidence
of course my friend's testimony doesn't count, I can make shit up. But all of these journalists and different medias? no way
inb4: The france fact checking said it wasn't 40 babies! it was 10 babies and 30 infants! fake news!
it's been posted by so many different news sources
"It is a horror, a massacre. For those asking for the source. They are multiple: Israeli army, internal intelligence service and atrocious images which reached me and which I was able to cross-check,” she said. “But the best source remains this: courageous journalists from the foreign press who were able to see / agreed to see with their own eyes the bodies in Kfar Aza."
Margot Haddad is a multimedia journalist, a field producer and on air reporter for French, U.S. and U.K. media. She most recently served as an international news field producer for CNN. She is a graduate of the Columbia University Journalism School.
Is she also lying? is this all one big conspiracy? I don't think so
seems like you'll stick to your opinions no matter what even given the evidence
of course my friend's testimony doesn't count, I can make shit up. But all of these journalists and different medias? no way
inb4: The france fact checking said it wasn't 40 babies! it was 10 babies and 30 infants! fake news!
I pray this ends soon.
Of course it has, its the testimony of the dehumanization process created by the zionist ideology that is in power right now in that state. That video is just ONE of the many video and testimonies of this dehumanization process that is a FACE of FASCISM.
Dehumanization is just a PART of the cake. There is everything I mentionned previously in it too.
So jno, everything is not fascism, but there are FASCIST in the gov of israel right now.
Stop with this "you call everything fascist" BS.
1. Its completely missunderstanding what I'm saying
2. Its a complete ignorance of what I usually say. I almost never call someone a fascist. I can use the term crypto fascist from time to time but very rarely the term "fascist".
3. You are patronizing an antifascist.
And finally, read that:
If after that you can comprehend the difference between supporting an oppressed state and legitimazing atrocity I can't help you.
We are not saying that they are lying just that the information has not been verified yet and that it wouldn't be the first time that such story is used to kill thousands innocent people.
(yes french, sorry, I don't find the englisdh equivalent)
https://www.liberation.fr/checknews...kfar-aza-20231010_W57JMWPRV5DS7N2WU66MPRVBWI/
Also hello
https://x.com/Newsweek/status/1711745398040080473?s=20
Dehumanization is just a PART of the cake. There is everything I mentionned previously in it too.
So jno, everything is not fascism, but there are FASCIST in the gov of israel right now.
Stop with this "you call everything fascist" BS.
1. Its completely missunderstanding what I'm saying
2. Its a complete ignorance of what I usually say. I almost never call someone a fascist. I can use the term crypto fascist from time to time but very rarely the term "fascist".
3. You are patronizing an antifascist.
And finally, read that:
If after that you can comprehend the difference between supporting an oppressed state and legitimazing atrocity I can't help you.
are you guys saying all of those people are lying about the babies?
it's been posted by so many different news sources
"It is a horror, a massacre. For those asking for the source. They are multiple: Israeli army, internal intelligence service and atrocious images which reached me and which I was able to cross-check,” she said. “But the best source remains this: courageous journalists from the foreign press who were able to see / agreed to see with their own eyes the bodies in Kfar Aza."
Margot Haddad is a multimedia journalist, a field producer and on air reporter for French, U.S. and U.K. media. She most recently served as an international news field producer for CNN. She is a graduate of the Columbia University Journalism School.
Is she also lying? is this all one big conspiracy? I don't think so
seems like you'll stick to your opinions no matter what even given the evidence
of course my friend's testimony doesn't count, I can make shit up. But all of these journalists and different medias? no way
it's been posted by so many different news sources
"It is a horror, a massacre. For those asking for the source. They are multiple: Israeli army, internal intelligence service and atrocious images which reached me and which I was able to cross-check,” she said. “But the best source remains this: courageous journalists from the foreign press who were able to see / agreed to see with their own eyes the bodies in Kfar Aza."
Margot Haddad is a multimedia journalist, a field producer and on air reporter for French, U.S. and U.K. media. She most recently served as an international news field producer for CNN. She is a graduate of the Columbia University Journalism School.
Is she also lying? is this all one big conspiracy? I don't think so
seems like you'll stick to your opinions no matter what even given the evidence
of course my friend's testimony doesn't count, I can make shit up. But all of these journalists and different medias? no way
(yes french, sorry, I don't find the englisdh equivalent)
https://www.liberation.fr/checknews...kfar-aza-20231010_W57JMWPRV5DS7N2WU66MPRVBWI/
Also hello
https://x.com/Newsweek/status/1711745398040080473?s=20
A lot of people in my community have been really vocal about supporting Israel as of late. And while my heart goes out to the innocent people caught up in this mess.
I don’t think I can support the Israeli government after all it’s been doing. What’s happening now is really just one part of a larger conflict that’s been going on for decades.
And the Israeli government just seems to give zero shits about ending the conflict. They don’t want a two state solution. They want a one state solution where israel exists and Palestine is subjugated or eradicated.
When you constantly engage in violence and aggression, what’s happened this week is the only natural outcome. And unfortunately the burden of this falls on the innocent lives of those who were killed, injured, or taken hostage, as opposed to people like Netanyahu and his supporters in the Knesset.
As much as I love my fellow Jewish bros in israel, the lives of the Palestinians are just as important.
I feel like too many people are picking sides instead of realizing that there’s only one side we should be on. The side of peace and freedom for all people.
I don’t think I can support the Israeli government after all it’s been doing. What’s happening now is really just one part of a larger conflict that’s been going on for decades.
And the Israeli government just seems to give zero shits about ending the conflict. They don’t want a two state solution. They want a one state solution where israel exists and Palestine is subjugated or eradicated.
When you constantly engage in violence and aggression, what’s happened this week is the only natural outcome. And unfortunately the burden of this falls on the innocent lives of those who were killed, injured, or taken hostage, as opposed to people like Netanyahu and his supporters in the Knesset.
As much as I love my fellow Jewish bros in israel, the lives of the Palestinians are just as important.
I feel like too many people are picking sides instead of realizing that there’s only one side we should be on. The side of peace and freedom for all people.
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That's how fascism advance. Insidious, hidden.
When the gov of a country calls his opponent "animal" WHATEVER the cruelty of the atrocities, it sends a message to the population, a fascist one. It create an amalgam between those who fight and those who just live. It dehumanize and therefore negate ALL the reason why those people are doing atrocities in the first place.
I told you, the Hamas didn't exist 80 years ago. Its a product of 80 years of colonization and human right depravation, its the monster face of an oppressed people. Yes, they are doing atrocities and yes, they should not be forgiven.
BUT THEY MUST BE UNDERSTOOD.
If you don't understand the situation in gaza right now, the dehumanization process of the people and call the resistance "animals", you put ALL the citizen in danger. You create the premisse of a genocide.
Secondaly I'm not really informed about the right of minorities in Israel but I've heard that its far from a state of peace.
Thirdly, the far right gov is showing all the red fascist card right now. So we are right to be really.. really. REALLY worried about not only the situation in gaza and palestine but ALSO in Israel for people living in the country.
There is only ONE side to take:
The side of the end of the colonization of palestine and the side of the humanization of Palestianian by the Israel gov.
After that, we will talk about ending far right resistant groups in palestinian territories. But it can't be done before. Unless we want a genocide.
But if I had to sum up:
We must put an end to far right movements in general.
We still have...
We still..
We..
Wait..
That's how fascism advance. Insidious, hidden.
When the gov of a country calls his opponent "animal" WHATEVER the cruelty of the atrocities, it sends a message to the population, a fascist one. It create an amalgam between those who fight and those who just live. It dehumanize and therefore negate ALL the reason why those people are doing atrocities in the first place.
I told you, the Hamas didn't exist 80 years ago. Its a product of 80 years of colonization and human right depravation, its the monster face of an oppressed people. Yes, they are doing atrocities and yes, they should not be forgiven.
BUT THEY MUST BE UNDERSTOOD.
If you don't understand the situation in gaza right now, the dehumanization process of the people and call the resistance "animals", you put ALL the citizen in danger. You create the premisse of a genocide.
Secondaly I'm not really informed about the right of minorities in Israel but I've heard that its far from a state of peace.
Thirdly, the far right gov is showing all the red fascist card right now. So we are right to be really.. really. REALLY worried about not only the situation in gaza and palestine but ALSO in Israel for people living in the country.
There is only ONE side to take:
The side of the end of the colonization of palestine and the side of the humanization of Palestianian by the Israel gov.
After that, we will talk about ending far right resistant groups in palestinian territories. But it can't be done before. Unless we want a genocide.
But if I had to sum up:
We must put an end to far right movements in general.
Really a Coda Story journalist? Funded by the CIA side branch National Endowment for Democracy.
I mean sure you can believe this clear propaganda all you want. Don't forget about the Kuwait babies or Iraq's WMDs though.
When Journalist (foreign or otherwise) in Palestine are documenting the dead, which unfortunately include babies and toddlers, they can clearly record and photograph the atrocities. In Israel though its all about "courageous journalists saw it with their own eyes as their cameras were broken or low battery". superb evidence me thinks
I mean sure you can believe this clear propaganda all you want. Don't forget about the Kuwait babies or Iraq's WMDs though.
When Journalist (foreign or otherwise) in Palestine are documenting the dead, which unfortunately include babies and toddlers, they can clearly record and photograph the atrocities. In Israel though its all about "courageous journalists saw it with their own eyes as their cameras were broken or low battery". superb evidence me thinks
