Controversial General Political Discussion

[PeronaNerona]

Not really, its inexcusable. But to ignore the struggles of Palestinian existence and what got us here in the first place is cherry picked outrage. Where were you when the idf kills innocent civilians almost every week? They fit the description of a terrorist organization just like hamas.

This is not how this works, Israel is a stable country with a judicial system.

Try again.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

culmination? these two "nations" have been going at it since the 1920s. This isn't really a result of some build up, this has been going on for a century.

I'm aware, but it's all coming to a head now that palestinian face possible annihilation, those who live in gaza at the very least. One side has all the power and the capacity to work with official palestinian authorities to broker a peace where both sides can live with dignity.

 

[Malio]

This + mob celebrating in Gaza + Palestinians chanting gas the Jews in Sydney and you start to understand why these troglodytes belong in an open air prison.

Gaza should be razed to the ground, the sooner the better.

Troglodytes like that don't belong in civilized society and I have zero sympathy for whatever hell the IDF will unleash.

We got ourselves a Nazi here

 

[Toby D. Dog]

This is not how this works, Israel is a stable country with a judicial system.

Try again.

huh? So you're just gonna ignore the numerous violations of international law the idf has committed? almost on a daily basis mind you. Just because you have a judicial system doesn't prove you don't engage in terrorism.

 

[PeronaNerona]

I'm aware, but it's all coming to a head now that palestinian face possible annihilation, those who live in gaza at the very least. One side has all the power and the capacity to work with official palestinian authorities to broker a peace where both sides can live with dignity.

Peace ? Where was peace when Israel extended their hand and gave up Gush Katif ?

There won't be any peace anymore, it's over.

There is your 'peace' https://m.jpost.com/middle-east/article-765304

 

[Toby D. Dog]

they don't really do that
there was no action in gaza for months now
it's usually civilians caught in the crossfire or people the hamas hides behind

Yeah, because the idf is now protecting settlers in the west bank literally stealing Palestinian homes. Gaza is a concentration camp, and the IDF has been operating in it with impunity.

 

[Roo]

Not really, its inexcusable. But to ignore the struggles of Palestinian existence and what got us here in the first place is cherry picked outrage. Where were you when the idf kills innocent civilians almost every week?

This is literally what aboutism. What makes you think I am pro IDF killing civilians? ofc I will have a stronger reaction towards a calculated massacre where civilians where targeted over IDf bombing "hamas targets" and civilians dying over it. I think both are bad, but targeted civilains attacks will hit harder. Specially when they parade them around as some game kill.

They fit the description of a terrorist organization just like hamas.

If the IDF specifically targets civilians to cause terror on Palestine then yes, they are terrorist. I know Hamas for sure does that.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Peace ? Where was peace when Israel extended their hand and gave up Gush Katif ?

There won't be any peace anymore, it's over.

There is your 'peace' https://m.jpost.com/middle-east/article-765304

At least you're honest about being a genocidal prick.

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This is literally what aboutism. What makes you think I am pro IDF killing civilians? ofc I will have a stronger reaction towards a calculated massacre where civilians where targeted over IDf bombing "hamas targets" and civilians dying over it. I think both are bad, but targeted civilains attacks will hit harder. Specially when they parade them around as some game kill.




If the IDF specifically targets civilians to cause terror on Palestine then yes, they are terrorist. I know Hamas for sure does that.

That's the point, they both do it.

 

[Roo]

One side has all the power and the capacity to work with official palestinian authorities to broker a peace where both sides can live with dignity.

and the other side refuses to let Israel exist at all. Hamas literally has the extermination of jews in their charter.

You do realize if Israel lets Hamas go for this one it will just mean Hamas won right? They caved to their demands. Appeasement doesn't really work in geopolitics.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

and the other side refuses to let Israel exist at all. Hamas literally has the extermination of jews in their charter.

You do realize if Israel lets Hamas go for this one it will just mean Hamas won right? They caved to their demands. Appeasement doesn't really work in geopolitics.

So in exchange we're just killing everyone in gaza? Where almost everyone is below the age of 18? There's a better way, the palestinian authorities are not involved with hamas.

 

[Logiko]

There is only one way: the end of the colonization and the depravation of palestinians human rights. That's all. After this we will be able to discuss and put down hamas. But before ? Impossible.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

and the other side refuses to let Israel exist at all. Hamas literally has the extermination of jews in their charter.

You do realize if Israel lets Hamas go for this one it will just mean Hamas won right? They caved to their demands. Appeasement doesn't really work in geopolitics.

don't tell me I'm justifying terrorism when I'm trying to provide solutions while your solution is sacrificing the lives on the other side. Israel authorites are not interested in peace. What they've been doing for decades is ethnic cleansing.

 

[Roo]

So in exchange we're just killing everyone in gaza? Where almost everyone is below the age of 18? There's a better way, the palestinian authorities are not involved with hamas.

No, I dont want a genocide. But I sure as hell don't think it's a good idea to let terrorist get a win. They'll gain more support if their methods are proven to work.

In an ideal world Hamas is taken care of, Israel gets the fuck out of the west bank and lifts the blockade off gaza. But it will be retarded for any country to allow a terrorist nation to get away with large terror attakcs.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

No, I dont want a genocide. But I sure as hell don't think it's a good idea to let terrorist get a win. They'll gain more support if their methods are proven to work.

In an ideal world Hamas is taken care of, Israel gets the fuck out of the west bank and lifts the blockade off gaza. But it will be retarded for any country to allow a terrorist nation to get away with large terror attakcs.

So we bomb gaza to oblivion? In spite of what they've been doing to these poor people for decades?

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

 

[Roo]

There is only one way: the end of the colonization and the depravation of palestinians human rights. That's all. After this we will be able to discuss and put down hamas. But before ? Impossible.

Honest question. Israel and Egypt lift off the blockade off gaza and allow them to become a nation. You think Hamas let Israel exist? when it's literally in their code to erase israel?

You must be pretty naive to think so or have 0 knowledge of geopolitics

 

[Malio]

I'll always get 2nd hand cringe when I see hindutva's and their "we sappor israel saar" nonsense. They don't even get a thank you for their "support" lmao. Backup dancers

 

[Roo]

So we bomb gaza to oblivion? In spite of what they've been doing to these poor people for decades?

If we keep entertaining my hypothetical.

1. Evacuate Palestinian citizens
2. Full boots on ground assault on Hamas.
3. Agreement of new state of Palestine(or 2 states) come with reparations and full evacuation of Israeli settlements in the west bank

 

[Logiko]

But I sure as hell don't think it's a good idea to let terrorist get a win. They'll gain more support if their methods are proven to work.

The hamas is the product of the politic of 80 years of repression and colonization. Hamas wasn't there is the beginning, if you want to end Hamas, you must end first the colonization. This is not negotiable. Colonization is against human's right. As long as you will put people under pressure, they will radicalize.

Release the pressure and you will see democracy flourish.

Honest question. Israel and Egypt lift off the blockade off gaza and allow them to become a nation. You think Hamas let Israel exist? when it's literally in their code to erase israel?

Let the palestianian decides that. If you don't let them, it will only be more and more radical.

Again, this is the allegory of the cat in the box. (note that this is just an allegory, palestinians are NOT animals)

The Israel gov has put a cat in the box for 80 years, and is reducing the size of the box each year while poking the cat and get close face first.

Of course the cat will get angry, take an eye out and play with it for fun. Is it fair to kill the cat tho ?

You must be pretty naive to think so or have 0 knowledge of geopolitics

lol that's cute

 

[Toby D. Dog]

If we keep entertaining my hypothetical.

1. Evacuate Palestinian citizens
2. Full boots on ground assault on Hamas.
3. Agreement of new state of Palestine(or 2 states) come with reparations and full evacuation of Israeli settlements in the west bank

And you wholeheartedly think that the Israel government wants to help Palestinians? When they've all but enslaved them.