General & Others Why Is Whole Cake Island So Hated?

[Fn Lucci]

Sigh, I guess it's no use then.
You have your opinion and I have mine.
Let's leave it at that.

Yeah, Neil Gaiman once said "Remember: when people tell you something's wrong or doesn't work for them, they are almost always right. When they tell you exactly what they think is wrong and how to fix it, they are almost always wrong."

Definitely just my own immovable opinion on a lot there but thank you for taking the time to read and understand at least the objective issues like the misrepresentation of the number of chapters.

 

[AriadneWyvern]

I really like WCI. Seeing all the unique character designs, especially the females was really nice. Katakuri vs Luffy was pretty good. Even though I really like Katakuri, his character development went weird during the final parts of the fight. I honestly didnt have too much problem with the Wedding Cake plot.
Things I didnt like: This was probably my breaking point with Sanji's character. I stopped liking him during FI arc, but I just hate him now from this arc. So many tension only to fall flat. Smoothie not doing much. Pound's sacrifice being retcon in the Wano arc. HOW THE HELL DID HE LIVE THROUGH DECAPITATION?!?! I swear, if Pedro is alive, I'm gonnna be pissed

Rating: 7/10

 

[Luffy is the mc]

My main issue with the arc was sanji's treatment, he deserved a fight and to have a real moment of badassnes/payback against his family. They mocked him until the end and considered him inferior without him getting the chance to kick their ass.

I get it that oda wanted to show the difference of why luffy liked him and why his family hated him but sanji is supposed to be a top fighter in the crew. The arc didn't do him justice, we all knew he was a goddamn fine cook already.

Other than that I liked it. Luffy shined, same for nami. Jimbei and brook had some pretty good moments too.
Chopper as usual got neg diffed by every living things be it a tree or perospero. That served the comedy aspect of one piece.

Last but not least I don't care at all about how the villains are portrayed or if they suffer PIS. I don't give a shit, it is Luffy's story not big mom's story.

This type of shit happens in every manga, One Piece is no exception, I'm not going to hate an arc just because one villain looked bad.
We had katakuri's greatness too so that's enough for the villains side.

 

[Natalija]

My main issue with the arc was sanji's treatment, he deserved a fight and to have a real moment of badassnes/payback against his family. They mocked him until the end and considered him inferior without him getting the chance to kick their ass.

I don't understand why Sanji was everyone's problem. He was a mess at times, but he was in a difficult situation after all.

I see some call him out for leaving the crew, but: he felt like a burden to his own family from the start. A traumatized person like that will continue feeling like a burden his whole life. He did not want to be a burden to his crew, especially since they didn't deserve it in the least bit, so the best solution he saw was leaving. Tbh, if BM was on my back I'd run too.

I need to defend Sanji's character development here for a second:

1) He proved himself to his family since he saved their asses more than once. And they were ALL impressed by him, despite all the bullying he got in the past. Which is a huge win for Sanji.
2) He bonded more with his sister, someone who does in fact care about him deeply. Their bond is also important because it reflects from his bond with his mother.
3) 1 on 1 fights are not everything, the cake is a much more creative way to stop a villain.
4) In contrast to ALL OTHER TIMES, he was actually a huge gentleman to Pudding. He respected her wishes and tried to do right by her as well. Massive hero for telling her she is beautiful, a burden she carried her whole life was lessened in that moment.
5) For once a woman truly loved him, I can't help but be glad for him.
6) He at all times put Zeff's and his crew's well being as top priority.
7) Getting the Raid Suit is symbolic. It represents finally coming to terms with his past and overcoming it by using the suit for its powers, instead of being stubborn and pretending it doesn't exist. He accepted his family, as shitty as it is.

I'm not eloquent like some of the above, but this pretty much resolves all of his baggage.

Chopper as usual got neg diffed by every living things be it a tree or perospero.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

I don't understand why Sanji was everyone's problem. He was a mess at times, but he was in a difficult situation after all.

I see some call him out for leaving the crew, but: he felt like a burden to his own family from the start. A traumatized person like that will continue feeling like a burden his whole life. He did not want to be a burden to his crew, especially since they didn't deserve it in the least bit, so the best solution he saw was leaving. Tbh, if BM was on my back I'd run too.

I need to defend Sanji's character development here for a second:

1) He proved himself to his family since he saved their asses more than once. And they were ALL impressed by him, despite all the bullying he got in the past. Which is a huge win for Sanji.
2) He bonded more with his sister, someone does in fact care about him deeply. Their bond is also important because it reflects from his bond with his mother.
3) 1 on 1 fights are not everything, the cake is a much more creative way to stop a villain.
4) In contrast to ALL OTHER TIMES, he was actually a huge gentleman to Pudding. He respected her wishes and tried to do right by her as well. Massive hero for telling her she is beautiful, a burden she carried her whole life was lessened in that moment.
5) For once a woman truly loved him, I can't help but be glad for him.
6) He at all times put Zeff's and his crew's well being as top priority.
7) Getting the Raid Suit is symbolic. It represents finally coming to terms with his past and overcoming it by using the suit for its powers, instead of being stubborn and pretending it doesn't exist. He accepted his family, as shitty as it is.

I'm not eloquent like some of the above, but this pretty much resolves all of his baggage.

The cake thing isn't really a problem for me. My real issue is that I've seen sanji acting as a badass since he's been introduced by oda and now all of a sudden, he was shown as someone with no solution.

I didn't like that he lost his faith in luffy even if it was just for a while.

I still like him despite the pervert gags that are getting more and more omnipresent (annoying, moronic, useless?), he should get more badass moments. But to be fair I think even luffy and zoro are not being portrayed as they should be in wano.

 

[Natalija]

The cake thing isn't really a problem for me. My real issue is that I've seen sanji acting as a badass since he's been introduced by oda and now all of a sudden, he was shown as someone with no solution.

I didn't like that he lost his faith in luffy even if it was just for a while.

Hmmm but everyone has no solution sometimes. Imagine if your family wanted to sell you while blackmailing you and one of the strongest criminals was part of it, you wouldn't fare well either

If anything, the crew should be struggling more if you ask me.

When did he lose faith in Luffy?

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Hmmm but everyone has no solution sometimes. Imagine if your family wanted to sell you while blackmailing you and one of the strongest criminals was part of it, you wouldn't fair well either

If anything, the crew should be struggling more if you ask me.

When did he lose faith in Luffy?

When he beat the shit out of him while luffy didn't even try to block his attacks.
Sure it was emotional but it felt out of character for me especially after nami's and robin's arcs.

 

[Jorden625]

People bring up Sanji's "lack of faith" in Luffy a lot when talking about this arc, but what did people expect him to do? This wasn't really a matter of him not having faith in Luffy's ability to save him. This was about Zeff, even if Sanji believed in Luffy's strength, from his perspective Zeff would have been sacrificed. When he met Luffy outside the seducing woods, he had bombs strapped to his hands, Zeff's life was being threatened, his entire family was there, Luffy was exhausted and Big Mom's army was on the way. Did people want him to just be like "alright Luffy let's leave". Even if he told Luffy the truth "Luffy, these guys have bombs strapped to my hands and are threatening Zeff", Do you think Luffy would just be like "Oh ok, I'll just go away and think of a plan to save you". Sanji did what he thought was the best course of action. Was he wrong? obviously. Did he go too far? sure. There were not many choices for him though.

 

[Natalija]

When he beat the shit out of him while luffy didn't even try to block his attacks.
Sure it was emotional but it felt out of character for me especially after nami's and robin's arcs.

What? He wasn't disappointed by Luffy at all. 'Twas an act. He tried to be more persuasive particularly because he knows Luffy well.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

What? He wasn't disappointed by Luffy at all. 'Twas an act. He tried to be more persuasive particularly because he knows Luffy well.

I didn't say he was disappointed by luffy but that he lost his faith in him.
He should have dropped the act and directly ask for help. But I understand oda wanted to create suspense and tension but it didn't convince me enough.

 

[Natalija]

I didn't say he was disappointed by luffy but that he lost his faith in him.
He should have dropped the act and directly ask for help. But I understand oda wanted to create suspense and tension but it didn't convince me enough.

In that case, what @Jorden625 said above. I don't think having faith is the issue here.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

In that case, what @Jorden625 said above. I don't think having faith is the issue here.

I read it, I partially agree with it but we witnessed luffy and sanji himself turning desperate situations to positive situations, I still think oda could have treated him better.
There were too many bad moments for him and not enough good moments in the arc overall.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

From a story standpoint, the Arc was great. I see the biggest issue that people had with the arc is that they had so many predictions, and so many ways they thought things were going to go down, and the arc didn't meet those expectations. It's a common theme I see a lot in the fandom of all series. You can't approach a series with the mindset of how you want things to go down, as that ensures that you are already setting yourself up for disappointment.

Another issue I see people having, is that Whole Cake Island deviated way off the beaten path of how Oda usually approaches a full length story arc. To many fans, Whole Cake Island felt like a very long setup arc, and they would be right. The thing is, the setup is not something that is going to have an immediate payoff, and it is slowly starting to pay off as Wano goes on, and the payoff will continue to progress long after Wano is over. To Oda, this is necessary but to some of the fandom, they won't see it being as such, until the payoff has come full circle.

I myself enjoyed WCI, and I know the payoff is coming. So now it's just a matter of sitting back, and watching it all unfold.

 

[RecoomeBoom]

People bring up Sanji's "lack of faith" in Luffy a lot when talking about this arc, but what did people expect him to do? This wasn't really a matter of him not having faith in Luffy's ability to save him. This was about Zeff, even if Sanji believed in Luffy's strength, from his perspective Zeff would have been sacrificed. When he met Luffy outside the seducing woods, he had bombs strapped to his hands, Zeff's life was being threatened, his entire family was there, Luffy was exhausted and Big Mom's army was on the way. Did people want him to just be like "alright Luffy let's leave". Even if he told Luffy the truth "Luffy, these guys have bombs strapped to my hands and are threatening Zeff", Do you think Luffy would just be like "Oh ok, I'll just go away and think of a plan to save you". Sanji did what he thought was the best course of action. Was he wrong? obviously. Did he go too far? sure. There were not many choices for him though.

The problem was Zeff himself would've told Sanji to live his life and not worry about him. Zeff is an old battle-hardened chef that has seen worse things. If he dies, he would've died living a good life. He's not a helpless princess. Sanji should know this since he was raised by Zeff's strict rules.

Sanji did not trust Luffy but Zeff as well. It was a weak moment that was not in character for him.

 

[Natalija]

The problem was Zeff himself would've told Sanji to live his life and not worry about him. Zeff is an old battle-hardened chef that has seen worse things. If he dies, he would've died living a good life. He's not a helpless princess. Sanji should know this since he was raised by Zeff's strict rules.

Sanji did not trust Luffy but Zeff as well. It was a weak moment that was not in character for him.

Lol my dad tells me to not worry about his life too, but that’s not how it works

 

[Jorden625]

The problem was Zeff himself would've told Sanji to live his life and not worry about him. Zeff is an old battle-hardened chef that has seen worse things. If he dies, he would've died living a good life. He's not a helpless princess. Sanji should know this since he was raised by Zeff's strict rules.

Sanji did not trust Luffy but Zeff as well. It was a weak moment that was not in character for him.

How the hell is worrying about Zeff not in character for Sanji? Zeff could have told Sanji to his face not to worry about him and Sanji still would have done everything to protect him or did you skip Baratie?

 

[RecoomeBoom]

Lol my dad tells me to not worry about his life too, but that’s not how it works

Your dad is not a pirate who lives on a ship and can die at anytime from invading enemies. It's the life they live. At any given day, they can be killed or captured.

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How the hell is worrying about Zeff not in character for Sanji? Zeff could have told Sanji to his face not to worry about him and Sanji still would have done everything to protect him or did you skip Baratie?

If that was his goal, then he would've never left Baratie. BM/Germa aren't the only bad people out there.

 

[Natalija]

Your dad is not a pirate who lives on a ship and can die at anytime from invading enemies. It's the life they live. At any given day, they can be killed or captured.

How do you know he’s not a pirate??

Nah, but the point is you will always care about the well being of your loved ones, no matter what they do. Imagine Sanji not caring what happens to Zeff, crazy.

 

[Midnight Delight]

I feel like the biggest issue people have with the Arc is the lack of resolution for Sanji, you could say "he finally made a girl fall for him" but we already had that in Dressrossa, not only that but Pudding making him forget about her lessened any character he could have had, all because Oda still wants to write Sanji as a bachelor pervert as seen in the recent shitty Prostitute gag

You could say he had a resolution with his family but it felt so rushed, his brothers and Father going from seeing him as trash into rescuing him and giving him a RS suit should have been written better , Judge going from treating Sanji like that into Confronting Snack should have had a better build up

Then you had the issue of him not getting a "proper" fight, which to be frank seems to be an issue with all of WCI, the only guys who got a proper fight were Luffy and Pedro , everyone else got Marineford-lite Teasers and clashes that led to nowhere, I understand that Oda didn't want this arc to be a "fight" arc but if Luffy got to defeat Both Cracker AND Katakuri then couldn't Sanji beat Snack? What about Bege? Jinbei? Brook? These characters got panels where they looked cool but none of them felt satisfying enough , it's not a wonder that people see One Piece as the "Luffy show"

I don't hate WCI, as a matter of fact I welcome the Unorthodox style it had, but it had its issues

 

[trav]

hate Whole Cake Island

why must it be "hate"? disliking something is not hate.

redundant plot that lead nowhere.
participation trophy fights.
plot convenience overload.
horrible 2nd flashback.

it was unnecessarily drawn out just so Luffy could have a fight. if the SHs fled during the castle collapse the story would have been way better.
the decision making process of characters was also very questionable. I dislike it when I can not relate to the behavior of characters.