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No deflecting. You're just mad because I called you out for being bias. You are doing the same thing I called other fan base out for.
Zoro did beat King at his at best. As I said before, King did the same thing any logical person would do in that same situation. If you have a defensive mode you no longer believe will protect you for your opponent's offensive power and you're capable of making yourself harder to hit by fighting at a distance and switching you to a fast mode you're going to. That would be the smart thing to do. It would be dumb to continue fighting in you current mode.
Somehow it's too hard for some fans to comprehend.
Zoro did beat King at his at best. As I said before, King did the same thing any logical person would do in that same situation. If you have a defensive mode you no longer believe will protect you for your opponent's offensive power and you're capable of making yourself harder to hit by fighting at a distance and switching you to a fast mode you're going to. That would be the smart thing to do. It would be dumb to continue fighting in you current mode.
Somehow it's too hard for some fans to comprehend.
It is clear that Zoro defeated King with his maximum power. In fact, the finisher is a clash of power against power with the best attacks proven in combat. That King decided to deactivate the flame is something he decided himself and there will be a reason.
If you want to argue that Zoro isn't YC1 for not hurting King with the flame, then neither is Luffy for not hurting the Seraphim of Kuma. It either applies to all characters or none. That's what impartiality is all about.
If King decided after Zoro used the KOH to do without the flame and start seriously defending himself against Zoro's attacks, it is because he assumed that he would not be able to neutralize them. Maybe the AdvCoC is the key to damaging a Lunarian, because yes, Zoro has it even if you don't admit it and coincidentally neither Luffy nor Zoro used it against the Seraphines.
I consider Zoro to be at the top of the YC1, but for other reasons that have nothing to do with harming a Lunarian, something we have not seen anyone do. It seems like a ridiculous argument to me, but I can't expect much from you either.
If you want to argue that Zoro isn't YC1 for not hurting King with the flame, then neither is Luffy for not hurting the Seraphim of Kuma. It either applies to all characters or none. That's what impartiality is all about.
If King decided after Zoro used the KOH to do without the flame and start seriously defending himself against Zoro's attacks, it is because he assumed that he would not be able to neutralize them. Maybe the AdvCoC is the key to damaging a Lunarian, because yes, Zoro has it even if you don't admit it and coincidentally neither Luffy nor Zoro used it against the Seraphines.
I consider Zoro to be at the top of the YC1, but for other reasons that have nothing to do with harming a Lunarian, something we have not seen anyone do. It seems like a ridiculous argument to me, but I can't expect much from you either.
Bunch of non sense.. Kaido is not removing his scales to let Luffy beat him.. It's part of his powers..
Zoro didn't beat King at his best.. Especially when it's slicing related..
King's best feat against Zoro is blocking his Black Rope Dragon Twister which cut Kaido's scales..
It's simple.. Zoro did not defeat King at his best.. Which is the reason King is YC1, his Lunarian defense..
I said Zoro is YC1 for his KoH power up.. He's not Admiral level though..
Zoro didn't beat King at his best.. Especially when it's slicing related..
King's best feat against Zoro is blocking his Black Rope Dragon Twister which cut Kaido's scales..
It's simple.. Zoro did not defeat King at his best.. Which is the reason King is YC1, his Lunarian defense..
I said Zoro is YC1 for his KoH power up.. He's not Admiral level though..
Luffy has also not harmed a Lunarian nor does he have feats that show he can do so, so you have three options:
1- As Luffy has not shown to be able to harm a Lunarian, like Zoro, they are both at the YC1 level. I don't share the opinion, but at least you prove to be impartial and at most you will be a wrong person.
2- Assume that King knows more than you about his powers and limitations and I consider that after the KOH his defense was not effective and he decided to enhance his speed. Therefore Zoro, Luffy and many more characters can harm a Lunarian. What most of us do. At least we are impartial.
3- Continue with the nonsense that Zoro is YC1 and Luffy is above even though Luffy neither hurt nor demonstrated the ability to hurt a Lunarian. In which case it will be proven that you are a Zoro hater.
Seeing the nonsense of the argument that Kaido does not remove his scales, as if that would provide him with some benefit like King extinguishing his flame that gives him speed and perhaps serves to enhance his attacks, I suppose you will continue with the third option.
Nothing surprising from someone who opened 20 topics about Zoro's non-AdCoC.
1- As Luffy has not shown to be able to harm a Lunarian, like Zoro, they are both at the YC1 level. I don't share the opinion, but at least you prove to be impartial and at most you will be a wrong person.
2- Assume that King knows more than you about his powers and limitations and I consider that after the KOH his defense was not effective and he decided to enhance his speed. Therefore Zoro, Luffy and many more characters can harm a Lunarian. What most of us do. At least we are impartial.
3- Continue with the nonsense that Zoro is YC1 and Luffy is above even though Luffy neither hurt nor demonstrated the ability to hurt a Lunarian. In which case it will be proven that you are a Zoro hater.
Seeing the nonsense of the argument that Kaido does not remove his scales, as if that would provide him with some benefit like King extinguishing his flame that gives him speed and perhaps serves to enhance his attacks, I suppose you will continue with the third option.
Nothing surprising from someone who opened 20 topics about Zoro's non-AdCoC.
I assume you know how the properties of rubber work. Two people clashing does not result in both in getting propelled backwards. This is Luffy's power in G5. It's has nothing to do with Lucci. Also as we speak Lucci hasn't even seen fit to use armament in his awakening form despite Zoro pulling out KoH.
Seraphim are superior to King. Zoro who could defeat King was not able to do anything against the Seraphim despite figuring out the connection.
Zoro before figuring it out:
Zoro after:
Zoro himself has said cutting through Lunarian defense while the flame is active is impossible.
Maybe it's about time people learn to accept the obvious.
Seraphim are superior to King. Zoro who could defeat King was not able to do anything against the Seraphim despite figuring out the connection.
Zoro before figuring it out:
Zoro after:
Zoro himself has said cutting through Lunarian defense while the flame is active is impossible.
Maybe it's about time people learn to accept the obvious.
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Seraphim are superior to King. Zoro who could defeat King was not able to do anything against the Seraphim despite figuring out the connection.
Zoro before figuring it out:
Zoro after:
Zoro himself has said cutting through Lunarian defense while the flame is active is impossible.
Maybe it's about time people learn to accept the obvious.
Zoro before figuring it out:
Zoro after:
Zoro himself has said cutting through Lunarian defense while the flame is active is impossible.
Maybe it's about time people learn to accept the obvious.
King began to dodge and defend against Zoro after he used AdvCoC. Until then, he also did not receive any damage, just like the Seraphines.
So no, the Seraphnes are not stronger than King, they simply did not find themselves in the need to extinguish their flame like King did because Zoro was much more serious.
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It's for the plot. as he said, once Oda is done Zoro will end Lucci.
Whatever you can say, Luffy used his ultimate form for Lucci. For lucci's lvl, G5 is overkill. No need of haki since pre skip Luffy defeated Lucci without any haki.
Zoro used adv.coc on his swords but not on Lucci. You really think Lucci gonna tank two hits when a lunarian got three shot ? lmao!
Luffy didn't use his haki like Zoro won't use Ashura, because no need for Lucci.
G5 and now KOH is only to show lucci that SHP are a yonkou crew. You will have your answer soon.
Whatever you can say, Luffy used his ultimate form for Lucci. For lucci's lvl, G5 is overkill. No need of haki since pre skip Luffy defeated Lucci without any haki.
Zoro used adv.coc on his swords but not on Lucci. You really think Lucci gonna tank two hits when a lunarian got three shot ? lmao!
Luffy didn't use his haki like Zoro won't use Ashura, because no need for Lucci.
G5 and now KOH is only to show lucci that SHP are a yonkou crew. You will have your answer soon.
Zoro’s stocks have been falling since whole cake island. In WCI Oda skipped him completely, in Wano (supposedly Zoro’s arc) Oda skipped all his backstory and put it in an SBS. Now on egghead, he was first struggling against the seraphims and now against Lucci. Not hoping for much from him in future as well. At best, he will get to fight fraud hawk and fragile old Gorosei gandhi. At worst, Oda will offscreen that too.
Let's see, boy, it's not that difficult to understand.
- Comparing the level of rivals, if you do it with all characters equally, is a good argument and is impartial.
- If you focus on hurting King but it only works for Zoro, that's a bad argument and it's being biased.
If you want to tell me that Zoro is level YC1 because he doesn't defeat anyone above that level, then I'll buy it from you. If you want to tell me that Zoro is YC1 because he couldn't hurt King with the flame, something we haven't seen anyone do, not even Luffy, that's being a hater.
Yes, you have it very easy and yet you insist on showing that you are haters.
- Comparing the level of rivals, if you do it with all characters equally, is a good argument and is impartial.
- If you focus on hurting King but it only works for Zoro, that's a bad argument and it's being biased.
If you want to tell me that Zoro is level YC1 because he doesn't defeat anyone above that level, then I'll buy it from you. If you want to tell me that Zoro is YC1 because he couldn't hurt King with the flame, something we haven't seen anyone do, not even Luffy, that's being a hater.
Yes, you have it very easy and yet you insist on showing that you are haters.
Don't deviate from my point and it's pretty simple..
Zoro did not beat King at his peak which makes him YC1, his Lunarian defense..
King's Lunarian defense is part of his whole kit of what makes him YC1.. It's like Marco not using his Pheonix
regenerating powers in a fight against someone just because.. No..
That's not the point..
Zoro did not beat King at his peak which makes him YC1, his Lunarian defense..
King's Lunarian defense is part of his whole kit of what makes him YC1.. It's like Marco not using his Pheonix
regenerating powers in a fight against someone just because.. No..
That's not the point..