Chapter Discussion Monkey D. Luffy count your fucking days!

[DonWick]

I’m still a Luffy fan that will never change but this fight was ridiculous. I have never seen a fight this stupid. I’ll give you my issues with the fight one by one:

1. Oda hyped Kizarus defense and I believed it after how well he handled Gear 4 Snakeman. However, proceeds to get knocked the fuck out after one ACoC attack from gear 5 Luffy.

2. Luffy why weren’t you using ACoC from the beginning? Did you actually need gear 5? Even if you did why wouldn’t you use ACoC immediately in Gear 5 like with Kaido? This doesn’t make any sense, Luffys goal is to escape while Kizarus is to kill Vegapunk. So instead of knocking Kizaru out because you could clearly do it whenever you wanted to you wait until you’re exhausted and can’t protect Vegapunk without restarting your heart? That’s the dumbest shit ever.

3. Why would you go giant mode grab Kizaru and throw him? That’s so fucking dumb. Imaging Mihawk throwing Yoru at Zoro during their fight?

It seems like Luffy is clearly stronger than Kizaru after this first round which I don’t like. Kizaru should organically push Luffy to high diff at the bare minimum Luffy shouldn’t be down from exhaustion and be able to knock Kizaru out on the way down with one semi serious attack. That’s disrespectful to the admirals. Kizaru can’t move after one hit? Yonko > Admiral still stands but this fight was horrible.

That throw by Luffy was so dumb

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

I like Luffy vs Kizaru fight lol.

 

[zenox]

this entire fight was plain garbage
and i also blame gear5 for ruining it
We are abt to see this trend in every luffy fight

 

[Strawhats Bible]

I’m still a Luffy fan that will never change but this fight was ridiculous. I have never seen a fight this stupid. I’ll give you my issues with the fight one by one:

1. Oda hyped Kizarus defense and I believed it after how well he handled Gear 4 Snakeman. However, proceeds to get knocked the fuck out after one ACoC attack from gear 5 Luffy.

2. Luffy why weren’t you using ACoC from the beginning? Did you actually need gear 5? Even if you did why wouldn’t you use ACoC immediately in Gear 5 like with Kaido? This doesn’t make any sense, Luffys goal is to escape while Kizarus is to kill Vegapunk. So instead of knocking Kizaru out because you could clearly do it whenever you wanted to you wait until you’re exhausted and can’t protect Vegapunk without restarting your heart? That’s the dumbest shit ever.

3. Why would you go giant mode grab Kizaru and throw him? That’s so fucking dumb. Imaging Mihawk throwing Yoru at Zoro during their fight?

It seems like Luffy is clearly stronger than Kizaru after this first round which I don’t like. Kizaru should organically push Luffy to high diff at the bare minimum Luffy shouldn’t be down from exhaustion and be able to knock Kizaru out on the way down with one semi serious attack. That’s disrespectful to the admirals. Kizaru can’t move after one hit? Yonko > Admiral still stands but this fight was horrible.

That throw by Luffy was so dumb

As I said in another thread Oda needs the plot to move in expense of some characters IQ.
Happens every arc.

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this entire fight was plain garbage
and i also blame gear5 for ruining it
We are abt to see this trend in every luffy fight

That's my whole issue with Gear 5, instead of Oda drawing smart stuff from Luffy Oda will be picking the most loled scene he can draw in fights now.

 

[Gauntlet]

The Luffy vs Kizaru fight animated:

 

[Salah WG]

Oda only made Luffy go Gear 5 so that He gets Exhausted, which would leave room for this Flashback & give Bonney some time to Shine (Expect her to Use a Very Powerful Attack next, just like Momo & Koby did previously)

But when it comes to Power Levels, anyone who is Admiral & below can't handle a Powerful CoC Attack, as simple as that.
Only ones who can Fight against CoC are those who have it or Blackbeard cuz He have Two DFs instead of One

 

[DonWick]

As I said in another thread Oda needs the plot to move in expense of some characters IQ.
Happens every arc.

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That's my whole issue with Gear 5, instead of Oda drawing smart stuff from Luffy Oda will be picking the most loled scene he can draw in fights now.

Yeah Luffy was always stupid but not this stupid. He’s moving the plot with bad writing. He should have saved the admiral fight until he was ready to give him a proper showing. Gear 5 is going to get old quick if he keeps using it like this.

 

[Fn Lucci]

It's not that I have such a problem with it, but it's clear in many respects that Oda doesn't try anymore

 

[Hades]

I’m still a Luffy fan that will never change but this fight was ridiculous. I have never seen a fight this stupid. I’ll give you my issues with the fight one by one:

1. Oda hyped Kizarus defense and I believed it after how well he handled Gear 4 Snakeman. However, proceeds to get knocked the fuck out after one ACoC attack from gear 5 Luffy.

2. Luffy why weren’t you using ACoC from the beginning? Did you actually need gear 5? Even if you did why wouldn’t you use ACoC immediately in Gear 5 like with Kaido? This doesn’t make any sense, Luffys goal is to escape while Kizarus is to kill Vegapunk. So instead of knocking Kizaru out because you could clearly do it whenever you wanted to you wait until you’re exhausted and can’t protect Vegapunk without restarting your heart? That’s the dumbest shit ever.

3. Why would you go giant mode grab Kizaru and throw him? That’s so fucking dumb. Imaging Mihawk throwing Yoru at Zoro during their fight?

It seems like Luffy is clearly stronger than Kizaru after this first round which I don’t like. Kizaru should organically push Luffy to high diff at the bare minimum Luffy shouldn’t be down from exhaustion and be able to knock Kizaru out on the way down with one semi serious attack. That’s disrespectful to the admirals. Kizaru can’t move after one hit? Yonko > Admiral still stands but this fight was horrible.

That throw by Luffy was so dumb

stamina issue shouldn't exist in the first place given the heart pump he can do when he did against Kaido...and he didn't even turn old or looked in a disgusting way after his big bajrang punch.....but Oda being Oda...so inconsistent....so much expected from fight and Oda fucked up the most interesting fight.....dude's writing is so random.....Luffy should improve in handling G5 with more time he uses but Oda does the opposite...he is following same shit pattern he did with G4....G4 also regressed so much in timelimit with increasing arcs....later u will just see one punch and G5 runs out......

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stamina issue shouldn't exist in the first place given the heart pump he can do when he did against Kaido...and he didn't even turn old or looked in a disgusting way after his big bajrang punch.....but Oda being Oda...so inconsistent....so much expected from fight and Oda fucked up the most interesting fight.....dude's writing is so random.....Luffy should improve in handling G5 with more time he uses but Oda does the opposite...he is following same shit pattern he did with G4....G4 also regressed so much in timelimit with increasing arcs....later u will just see one punch and G5 runs out......

And awakening having a stamina issues is the biggest myth/lie.....Lucci can use fine....Law and Kid can use fine....Blackbeard can instantly use 2 powerful devil fruits without having "the first usage" issues...Sabo can "perfectly" use fire fist one of the "signature" attacks of ace...g5 logically shouldn't give "standard" drawback given the nature of the awakening but Oda forgets the rules he set in the earlier arc...

Also, I pretty much predicted CoC usage will become less just like how FS was practically non-existent for the majority of time in wano....

 

[DonWick]

stamina issue shouldn't exist in the first place given the heart pump he can do when he did against Kaido...and he didn't even turn old or looked in a disgusting way after his big bajrang punch.....but Oda being Oda...so inconsistent....so much expected from fight and Oda fucked up the most interesting fight.....dude's writing is so random.....Luffy should improve in handling G5 with more time he uses but Oda does the opposite...he is following same shit pattern he did with G4....G4 also regressed so much in timelimit with increasing arcs....later u will just see one punch and G5 runs out......

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And awakening having a stamina issues is the biggest myth/lie.....Lucci can use fine....Law and Kid can use fine....Blackbeard can instantly use 2 powerful devil fruits without having "the first usage" issues...Sabo can "perfectly" use fire fist one of the "signature" attacks of ace...g5 logically shouldn't give "standard" drawback given the nature of the awakening but Oda forgets the rules he set in the earlier arc...

Also, I pretty much predicted CoC usage will become less just like how FS was practically non-existent for the majority of time in wano....

Exactly. Also honestly it seems like Luffy is the only character with a stamina issue with his fruit or any drawbacks. Law said he had one but based on what we saw he didn’t. Another think why would Luffy be exhausted now when he used more haki and G5 for a longer time against Kaido? This doesn’t make sense.

 

[BlackLegFring]

Some of those sound like self-inflicted problems.

Kizaru isn’t knocked out, so you somehow missed that.
Oda offscreened part of it sure, but even with the little we saw it was just the usual clashing with them blocking each other’s attacks before Kizaru went after Vegapunk again.

It’s just the same as every usual fight with neither of them going all out right away. Luffy had to use Gear 5 because his lower modes without drawbacks weren’t sufficient. He could barely keep up with just Gear 4 and that got dismissed with their escape method Vegaforce 01 getting destroyed in the process.

Luffy knew he was going to reach his limit which is why he then used the strongest attack up to that point against Kizaru while Kizaru was still using regular beams because he was also expecting the limit. He’ll obviously use stronger now that he has to take it more seriously.

Also, what were you expecting Luffy to do after grabbing him? It’s not like Kizaru couldn’t retaliate right in his face if he weren’t careful.

 

[Herrera95]

Imaging Mihawk throwing Yoru at Zoro during their fight?

He will probably do it but not against Zoro since they are not ever fighting again.

I can totally see Mihawk throwing Yoru like a Knife and then catching it middle air to swing a surprise attack.

 

[DonWick]

Some of those sound like self-inflicted problems.

Kizaru isn’t knocked out, so you somehow missed that.
Oda offscreened part of it sure, but even with the little we saw it was just the usual clashing with them blocking each other’s attacks before Kizaru went after Vegapunk again.

It’s just the same as every usual fight with neither of them going all out right away. Luffy had to use Gear 5 because his lower modes without drawbacks weren’t sufficient. He could barely keep up with just Gear 4 and that got dismissed with their escape method Vegaforce 01 getting destroyed in the process.

Luffy knew he was going to reach his limit which is why he then used the strongest attack up to that point against Kizaru while Kizaru was still using regular beams because he was also expecting the limit. He’ll obviously use stronger now that he has to take it more seriously.

Also, what were you expecting Luffy to do after grabbing him? It’s not like Kizaru couldn’t retaliate right in his face if he weren’t careful.

He could have literally pounded him into the ground. On top of that the attack Luffy used isn’t close to being his strongest. Kizaru is conscious yet can’t move. That shouldn’t have been able to render Kizaru useless.

 

[Garp the Fist]

It’s just not a good fight.

I will say though that the defence that Kizaru and Sentomary have isn’t meant to be like Kaido or Big Mom where they can stand still and have most attacks bounce off them.

It’s that they are amazing at actually physically block attacks. Kizaru blocks all of the Snakeman hits, he doesn’t tank them.

Him getting fucked up when a hit actually lands doesn’t change much.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

I’m still a Luffy fan that will never change but this fight was ridiculous. I have never seen a fight this stupid. I’ll give you my issues with the fight one by one:

1. Oda hyped Kizarus defense and I believed it after how well he handled Gear 4 Snakeman. However, proceeds to get knocked the fuck out after one ACoC attack from gear 5 Luffy.

2. Luffy why weren’t you using ACoC from the beginning? Did you actually need gear 5? Even if you did why wouldn’t you use ACoC immediately in Gear 5 like with Kaido? This doesn’t make any sense, Luffys goal is to escape while Kizarus is to kill Vegapunk. So instead of knocking Kizaru out because you could clearly do it whenever you wanted to you wait until you’re exhausted and can’t protect Vegapunk without restarting your heart? That’s the dumbest shit ever.

3. Why would you go giant mode grab Kizaru and throw him? That’s so fucking dumb. Imaging Mihawk throwing Yoru at Zoro during their fight?

It seems like Luffy is clearly stronger than Kizaru after this first round which I don’t like. Kizaru should organically push Luffy to high diff at the bare minimum Luffy shouldn’t be down from exhaustion and be able to knock Kizaru out on the way down with one semi serious attack. That’s disrespectful to the admirals. Kizaru can’t move after one hit? Yonko > Admiral still stands but this fight was horrible.

That throw by Luffy was so dumb

Stronger ? Luffy is levels above Kizaru. You literally pointed out all the plot armor that kizaru received here and the Nerf that Luffy suffered, starting with him going to G5 without need, G2 and G3 with adcoc does the job against kizaru...

Why did he throw Kizaru into the sea instead of leaving it stuck in his hand? He could start punching Kizaru with his other available hand, a typical Oda move of nerfing Luffy's IQ.

Then he only makes Luffy get serious when the G5 is close to ending and Franky asks Luffy to do something.
See what the man who writes for the official OP website, and has knowledge about future chapters, says about Kaidou:

 

[DonWick]

It’s just not a good fight.

I will say though that the defence that Kizaru and Sentomary have isn’t meant to be like Kaido or Big Mom where they can stand still and have most attacks bounce off them.

It’s that they are amazing at actually physically block attacks. Kizaru blocks all of the Snakeman hits, he doesn’t tank them.

Him getting fucked up when a hit actually lands doesn’t change much.

Was Kizaru using the actual light field in the area to help him block snakeman attacks?

 

[SkySanji]

Definitely one of the worst fights in recent memory tbh

 

[DonWick]

Stronger ? Luffy is levels above Kizaru. You literally pointed out all the plot armor that kizaru received here and the Nerf that Luffy suffered, starting with him going to G5 without need, G2 and G3 with adcoc does the job against kizaru...

Why did he throw Kizaru into the sea instead of leaving it stuck in his hand? He could start punching Kizaru with his other available hand, a typical Oda move of nerfing Luffy's IQ.

Then he only makes Luffy get serious when the G5 is close to ending and Franky asks Luffy to do something.
See what the man who writes for the official OP website, and has knowledge about future chapters, says about Kaidou:

I’ve always had Luffy > Kizaru but it’s looking like Luffy >>> Kizaru which is ridiculous because it means the sense of danger will be non existent going forward. If an admiral isn’t a threat the it’s only BB and the WG left.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Was Kizaru using the actual light field in the area to help him block snakeman attacks?

Not sure I understand what your asking. Are you talking about the barrier that was over Egghead?

From what I can tell Kizaru just does the same as Sentomaru and is sumo-palming to block attacks. He might be using his DF to give himself some extra protection (however that’s meant to work with light).

 

[BlackLegFring]

He could have literally pounded him into the ground. On top of that the attack Luffy used isn’t close to being his strongest. Kizaru is conscious yet can’t move. That shouldn’t have been able to render Kizaru useless.

Kizaru was in Luffy’s fist, so Luffy pounding the ground wouldn’t do anything to him. He’s a logia.
Plus Kizaru could just fire a laser at him point blank too.
And yes it was the strongest attack that Luffy used up till that point. The only thing stronger we’ve seen is Bajrang Gun which would have been useless.
Even the likes of Kaido was momentarily on the ground after a weaker attack…so I’m not sure why you were expecting Kizaru to pop back up as if nothing happened? That’s just bizarre. Why set a higher standard for him?