Controversial General Political Discussion

[Tobra]

Nah. Don't have time for that rn. Any chance you got a short summary?

the only palestinian lands are two
1)west bank which is supposed to be palestinian territory is terrorized by constant settlements of israelis into palestinians homes, the idf barging into ppls homes, attacking palestinians even in al aqsa mosque, provoking them

2) gaza strip which is blocked from all sides by huge walls, only way in and out is by special israeli permits which they don’t hand out basically an open air prison

israel routinely bombs gaza by claiming they’re targeting hamas militants and any innocent civilians israel claims they’re used as human shields by hamas

hamas got into power in the gaza strip around 20 years ago they are the resistance group in gaza

this is the first time hamas were able to go into palestinian territory and innocent ppl died, there’s no denying that but israel has been doing extreme propaganda by saying hamas beheaded at least 40 babies, hamas killed 260 people at a rave. in response israel has been constantly bombing gaza and innocent civilians also has been killed so the death toll has been evened out if not surpassed the israeli death toll

this is a graph showing the casualties distribution in the last decade

 

[Malio]

i think most of us agree we need an international arbiter in order to quell the violence. I wouldn’t mind a unilateral UN occupation of both Israel and Palestine and enforcing international law in those territories. Israel has demonstrated time and time again that they are not willing to liberate the Palestinian from apartheid or treat them as equals. Let a UN coalition take over the country in order to guarantee the rights of both Israelis and Palestinian civilians while systematically purging Hamas and the war criminals in the Israeli government. Then you occupy those territories for as long as it takes to create a secular and democratic state.

The UN is honestly the most useless organisation known to man, even my old incompetent post office is more useful. They couldn't and didn't do nothing during the systemic killing of Bosnian during the Bosnian war.

What's needed imo is sanctions from every country that help Israel until they seize the genocide and apartheid that they've been doing for decades. For the criminals (on all sides) to be taken to the Hague and either put down (they don't do that but one can wish) or given life in prison. Honestly the only reason Israel are so confident in what they do is because America backs them. They need to go first and everything else will eventually calm down

 

[AL sama]

I checked some history for comparison.
When israel terrorized the brits, they killed 141 soldiers and police.

Compare that the 1000+ civilians and the brutality on how they did it
yea, israel had to kill civilians over the years because they were use as meatshields by hamas and there were no other options.
Yes they were some nutjobs soldiers but those were just single crazy people
yes the pirate settlements are wrong and should have stoppedm but those never reached the brutality of the recent terror attacks.

It simply doesn't compare

I don't support what hamas is doing but do a better research on hostory mate

israel has been cruel throughout the years

 

[Peroroncino]

Hi

 

[Roo]

i think most of us agree we need an international arbiter in order to quell the violence. I wouldn’t mind a unilateral UN occupation of both Israel and Palestine and enforcing international law in those territories. Israel has demonstrated time and time again that they are not willing to liberate the Palestinian from apartheid or treat them as equals. Let a UN coalition take over the country in order to guarantee the rights of both Israelis and Palestinian civilians while systematically purging Hamas and the war criminals in the Israeli government. Then you occupy those territories for as long as it takes to create a secular and democratic state.

When was the last time foreign occupation has worked? This sounds like a bad idea imo

The best we could ask for is establishing the state of palestine and its borders with Israel, and sign a peace treaty that states if any country aggresses upon the other there will be foreign intervention.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

Hi

Heya

 

[Monkey D Theories]

yea, israel had to kill civilians over the years because they were use as meatshields by hamas and there were no other options.

Why can’t israel just put Gaza under law and order?

Why does it choose to let Gaza be run by terrorists and then engage in harmful bombing campaigns that hurt innocent people?

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712447231297503504

Oh boy...

 

[Phoenix D. King]

Why can’t israel just put Gaza under law and order?

Why does it choose to let Gaza be run by terrorists and then engage in harmful bombing campaigns that hurt innocent people?

cause terrorists arent that easy to identify.... And hamas have 0 intentions of peace or stability

 

[Monkey D Theories]

cause terrorists arent that easy to identify.... And hamas have 0 intentions of peace or stability

Almost every nation has been able to do this to lands they’ve conquered. I don’t know why israel can’t.

 

[Phoenix D. King]

Almost every nation has been able to do this to lands they’ve conquered. I don’t know why israel can’t.

this was literally just failed by the US in Afghanistan.... against basically the same coward terrorists

 

[Monkey D Theories]

America and the Allie’s de-nazified Germany, but israel can’t deradicalize this tiny strip of land they exert immense control over?

It just doesn’t make sense. Seems more likely that people like Netanyahu want Hamas to exist because it delegitimizes other more moderate Palestinian movements.

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this was literally just failed by the US in Afghanistan.... against basically the same coward terrorists

This ain’t Afghanistan tho. Gaza is tiny.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Why can’t israel just put Gaza under law and order?

Why does it choose to let Gaza be run by terrorists and then engage in harmful bombing campaigns that hurt innocent people?

Where is the logic in this post?

israel had to kill civilians over the years because they were use as meatshields by hamas and there were no other options.

''Civilians are used as meat shields so they have to be killed'' is the single most idiotic bs excuse to commit murders and genocides aggressor countries come up with.

The UN is honestly the most useless organisation known to man, even my old incompetent post office is more useful.

The truest sentence ever spoken in this thread. The UN and international laws exist mostly for show, IF they were ever applied the world would enter a state of utopian peace (which will never happen in reality)

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Where is the logic in this post?

Israel should try to integrate Gaza into the country.

Invest in the area. Flood it with troops to shut down hamas. Make Gaza an actual good place to live. Then nobody would want to become a terrorist.

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I believe in karma. So long as israel keeps enacting violence on the Palestinians, that’s all they will ever get in return from them.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712447231297503504

Oh boy...

Is this confirmed footage or random 3 year old out of context footage repurposed for the poster's agenda?

Israel should try to integrate Gaza into the country.

Invest in the area. Flood it with troops to shut down hamas. Make Gaza an actual good place to live. Then nobody would want to become a terrorist.

You mean the same Israel that levels Palestinian's homes to make space for settlers?

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

Is this confirmed footage or random 3 year old out of context footage repurposed for the poster's agenda?

Knowing red twitter, the latter. But who knows

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

450 palestinians kids killed from the bombing and I hadn't seen a single western head of state say anything about it... Even if you support Israel having the right to retaliate from Hamas heinous attacks, this really gives the impression that their lives don't matter. Dehumanization is not good, this is how actual genocides start.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

It just doesn’t make sense. Seems more likely that people like Netanyahu want Hamas to exist because it delegitimizes other more moderate Palestinian movements.

So long as israel keeps enacting violence on the Palestinians, that’s all they will ever get in return from them.

See, you're beginning to understand 👏

 

[NAMELESS]

this was literally just failed by the US in Afghanistan.... against basically the same coward terrorists

Bad comparison,Afghanistan is a country composed of mountains and lots of caves systems.The US couldn't deploy vehicles there because of the terrain and all those caves always gave the taliban the surprise element.Gaza is tiny and the combat will take place in a urban setting.

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450 palestinians kids killed from the bombing and I hadn't seen a single western head of state say anything about it... Even if you support Israel having the right to retaliate from Hamas heinous attacks, this really gives the impression that their lives don't matter. Dehumanization is not good, this is how actual genocides start.

Look up the casualties from both sides from years ago.Gaza has no air defense system,everything the idf shoots at them hits the mark basically.Its not a fair fight at all.

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This is Bernie Sanders' statement on the current events taking place in Israel and Palestine. I am 100% in agreement with everything he's saying here. Go back to this post if you ever feel the need to imply I'm excusing the murder of innocent civilians or that I support terrorists.

I cant disagree with anything in this letter.

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that's impossible for him, gaslighting is his dominant personality trait after all

If i wrote shit like this i would be banned.Too bad i'm not a friend of any moderator.Should have made a few mods my friends so i can get away with bullshit like this too.

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America and the Allie’s de-nazified Germany, but israel can’t deradicalize this tiny strip of land they exert immense control over?

It just doesn’t make sense. Seems more likely that people like Netanyahu want Hamas to exist because it delegitimizes other more moderate Palestinian movements.

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This ain’t Afghanistan tho. Gaza is tiny.

This theory makes a lot of sense.All of this attacks just help the zionists gain legitimacy in their actions.

 

[Logiko]

https://x.com/afpfr/status/1712498156309479718?s=20

France gov, continuing its way toward authoritarism and the far right..