so like the west bank where palestinians are constantly tortured, terrorized, killed, get their homes taken, put in prison for even sharing the photos of a dead one?

the palestinians in gaza are in an open air prison
while the palestinians in the west bank can’t have a slight bit of freedom
I think the best solution for the region is a UN peacekeeping mission similar to what happened in Haiti.
 
Feel like Israel/Palestine would benefit from a government similar to India’s, where both Palestinians and Israelis have their own states, with the two unified under one federal government.
Ethnic groups that don’t want to be together should not be forced to be together. Do people not learn from history at all?

literally right now near the ME the Kurds are waging war to get their own nation
 
No, Palestinians want their own country. Let’s work on giving them that instead
two state solution will never work, israel would never let palestine have their own anatomy you
think they would ever let palestine have an army? build military bases? freely import and export?


integrating palestine into israel would also not work it will be just like the west bank they would never have justice, hold seats in parliament or have power they would 2nd class citizens

a solution is make the region international land and dissolve current governments and open the borders have the region run by the UN and militarized by nato and egypt, prosecute idf criminals and hamas criminals and run the place until the israelis and palestinians can live without drinking each other’s blood

but something like that can never happen
 
The issue with a two state solution is that it divides the region.

All of the big Jewish holy sites are in the West Bank, which is majority Palestinian.

Plus I don’t think the Palestinians, who have rightful claim to the entire region, want a fractured Palestinian state.
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Ethnic groups that don’t want to be together should not be forced to be together. Do people not learn from history at all?
Nationalism is what doesn’t work

Imagine how much better israel and Palestine would be if they didn’t need to spend so much effort killing each other
 
two state solution will never work, israel would never let palestine have their own anatomy you
think they would ever let palestine have an army? build military bases? freely import and export?
A 2 state solution will only work after some strong arming from the west. It’s as simple as that. When discussing it we are way past taking every Israel desire into account. A compromise is needed



a solution is make the region international land and dissolve current governments and open the borders have the region run by the UN and militarized by nato and egypt, prosecute idf criminals and hamas criminals and run the place until the israelis and palestinians can live without drinking each other’s blood

but something like that can never happen
foreign occupation just doesn’t work, we’ve seen this just in the past 10 years or so
 
The issue with a two state solution is that it divides the region.

All of the big Jewish holy sites are in the West Bank, which is majority Palestinian.

Plus I don’t think the Palestinians, who have rightful claim to the entire region, want a fractured Palestinian state.
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Nationalism is what doesn’t work

Imagine how much better israel and Palestine would be if they didn’t need to spend so much effort killing each other
Dude,the entire region is plagued by conflict.Its already divided beyond any hope of a short term solution.
 
The issue with a two state solution is that it divides the region.
good, if they want their own nations it should be divided
All of the big Jewish holy sites are in the West Bank, which is majority Palestinian.
And the Muslims have holy site in Jerusalem which is occupied by Israel.

You know what modern countries do? They allow travel between the two. There’s literally no reason for a peaceful State of Israel and Palestine to not allow travel between both countries.
Plus I don’t think the Palestinians, who have rightful claim to the entire region, want a fractured Palestinian state.
Rightfully claim is a dubious argument when everybody and their mothers have stepped through the levant for the past 3000 years. Let’s focus on finding a solution now.

The PLO and PA were okay with a 2 state solution before BB and Hamas fucked that up. The Palestinian people want a nation above all, and don’t want to be bombed and jailed 24/7
Nationalism is what doesn’t work

Imagine how much better israel and Palestine would be if they didn’t need to spend so much effort killing each other
Like it or not that is a reality. Countries break apart all the time because major ethnic groups were forced to be together and 99% of the time is via bloody wars. Let’s try to avoid that
 
good, if they want their own nations it should be divided

And the Muslims have holy site in Jerusalem which is occupied by Israel.

You know what modern countries do? They allow travel between the two. There’s literally no reason for a peaceful State of Israel and Palestine to not allow travel between both countries.

Rightfully claim is a dubious argument when everybody and their mothers have stepped through the levant for the past 3000 years. Let’s focus on finding a solution now.

The PLO and PA were okay with a 2 state solution before BB and Hamas fucked that up. The Palestinian people want a nation above all, and don’t want to be bombed and jailed 24/7

Like it or not that is a reality. Countries break apart all the time because major ethnic groups were forced to be together and 99% of the time is via bloody wars. Let’s try to avoid that
It was their land before the jewish population started migrating there.
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good, if they want their own nations it should be divided

And the Muslims have holy site in Jerusalem which is occupied by Israel.

You know what modern countries do? They allow travel between the two. There’s literally no reason for a peaceful State of Israel and Palestine to not allow travel between both countries.

Rightfully claim is a dubious argument when everybody and their mothers have stepped through the levant for the past 3000 years. Let’s focus on finding a solution now.

The PLO and PA were okay with a 2 state solution before BB and Hamas fucked that up. The Palestinian people want a nation above all, and don’t want to be bombed and jailed 24/7

Like it or not that is a reality. Countries break apart all the time because major ethnic groups were forced to be together and 99% of the time is via bloody wars. Let’s try to avoid that
I think Jerusalem should just become an international territory to avoid this problem with holy sites.
 
It was an ottoman state before the British took it. And before that irrc it was the Mamaluks, and before that…

you get my point. I think we’re way past this “this is our land argument”. I don’t like it when Israel does it nor when Palestine does it.
Fair enough,but they are the last ones to actually hold the region pre-modern day Israel.Lets not forget that jews illegally migrated there.
 
Fair enough,but they are the last ones to actually hold the region pre-modern day Israel.Lets not forget that jews illegally migrated there.
But they didn’t hold the region, it was almost always ruled by someone else.

Also Mexicans owned Texas and Americans illegally settled there, you think Mexicans have a valid argument to get the entire state of Texas back?
 
But they didn’t hold the region, it was almost always ruled by someone else.

Also Mexicans owned Texas and Americans illegally settled there, you think Mexicans have a valid argument to get the entire state of Texas back?
Not today,but back in the day they had.I'm not anti-Israel,but i think creating a jewish state there was a big mistake.
 
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ok,2 states than...here are the problems with this:
Hamas:wants to take out Israel.
Israel:clearly wants to expand further,so i don't think they want a Palestinian state around them either.
For the two state solution to be implemented,Hamas needs to cease to be and some foreign superpower needs to put Israel in check.So i think the UN needs to come up with a peace keeping mission like they did in Haiti.
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Fleeing the Holocaust and post war Europe
Yes,we know it. Still a bad idea. Fled from Europe to be free of anti-antisemitism and now they are the ones doing the oppressing.
 
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