[FNZ] Role Madness Hell's Paradise Mafia #1 [Game Ended - Mafia + Survivor Win]

[Emil]

This interaction is really confusing, I haven't seen the posts where Naomi is allegedly "rude" but cake's response is quite passive agressive here

awesome, ur in the right time to vote bus cake

 

[Emil]

ok im fully caught up, this is where i am rn
feel free to ask for the reasoning on any of them!

town
hayumi
orca
watson

lean town
aurelian - weaker than the rest because if i start seeing flower as possibly non mafia, i think aurelian can be one. it's still extremely low chance based on play and i'd be surprised if he turn out one. had him town prior to his read of her anyway
polar
michelle
reloaded
seatonnes
nibel
naomi

null/town
luka - trending down due to taking the town reads on him and proceeding to not add much outside of the early game naomi/AM push
ratchet - will wait for his responses to my quotes earlier re: aurelian, ultra, flower, and cake

null/GTH reads - basically inactive PoE slots
tpein - GTH town
sallu - GTH town
kiku - GTH town
AM - GTH town
HWHNE - GTH town
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indigo - GTH scum
mango - GTH scum

null/scum
flower - likely indie / some role to either punish claims or wins after a certain condition related to them. if not indie - can see her being closer to mafia than town

lean scum
cake
ultra

 

[Emil]

is anyone town reading indigo? if so why?

 

[Emil]

@Kiku @T-Pein™ @Alwaysmind @MangoSenpai @Sallucion @HeWhoHasNoEqual @Indigo @MangoSenpai whats ur thoughts on ultra and cake this game guys?

 

[Emil]

fwiw i think the way votes grew on cake is townie for the people joining on it. its very possible town is looking for a direction and cake just happens to be the one that satisfied them most.

im very pleased with votes happening fast. means town are reaching a form of concensus after a hard faught day of conflicts

this often ends up in a scum flip in cases like this one despite the popular belief that quick wagons mean a town flip

 

[Michelle]

is anyone town reading indigo? if so why?

Spoiler

Anyway, I haven't really gotten to dive too deep into the affairs of this game

But my surface level reads are as follows;

Scum; Reloaded and Luka

Sus; Ekko

Flower; Flower (townish)

There's an eerie lack of Ultra v Ratchet, so I don't know what to make of that. But I should be careful what I wish for, null on both of them fo rnow

Thoughts so far:

Ultra: Think his approach is just different, but will keep an eye on him and see.
Indigo: I liked his read on me and his energy. Reminds me of Wrestling Game.
Fuji/Watson: Don‘t ever see Fuji faking Miller and Watson also claimed that. Just Town.
Ratchet: I like how he‘s noticing the same I did at the time. Slight Town.
Reloaded: Town at first, but he fell off a bit.
Ekko: I don‘t ever see a scum Ekko start a wagon on me when I‘m basically a consensus Town read. His reasoning is so whack, too. But he seems convinced which resembles his play from FV game. So leaning Town who just has a horrendous read.
Naomi: Just Town.
Michelle: Just Town.
Polar: Could start a push on me as scum under the pretext of me just being spiteful and acting like a jerk (which I also did as scum in Avatar), but isn‘t using this opportunity. So lean Town.
Orca: His reaction towards the push on him was overall weaker. Slight scum.
Nibel: Didn‘t like his reactions at all so far. Slight scum.
Cake: Hard struggling for content. Scum lean.
SeaTonnes: Could be Town. I like his style.
Fang: Idek.
Mango: Idek.

Oh yeah, Luka also vibes Town so far, but I can‘t help but remember Fuka from Persona Mash and that you shouldn‘t underestimate such players. But they did admit they‘re not new which is a point in their favour and shows a certain honesty which I see more coming from Town.

TOWN:
Fang | Flower | Orca | Polar Bear | Ultra

NULL:
everyone else

SCUM:
Seatonnes

TOWN:
Fang | Flower | Orca | Polar Bear | Ultra

NULL:
everyone else

SCUM LEAN:
Naomi

SCUM:
Seatonnes

Alright

Ultra. I'm not too sure to think about him. I know he is strong. I don't feel the same thing I felt the last time I played against him during the ATLA game. He seems less active which could lead me to think he's not scum like last time but strong players are hard to read when you don't know their habits. I would say null at the moment.

Ekkologix. He was defending me when I was against Flower. Maybe it's to better kill me later, I don't know. Seems like he was just trying to have fun by using the ChatGPT. The whole Flower/Ekkologix might be just TvT after all. I would say null with some town tints.

Hayumi. I would say scum leaning since she said there could be one scum between me and Naomi. She went for Orca who I town read. I felt like she was waiting for Flower to answer Naomi is town, so it could give her some credibility to lynch me later and turn the narrative in her sense.

Kiku. I'm not sure about her/him(?| I will say they now if I'm not sure about the gender), but I've a similar impression that with Hayumi, she seems to be in the background to comfort Flower and Naomi in their initial push in the objective to lead them to a mislynch in the future.

AM. He sent mostly nothing and his rare posts were useless. I will wait for more in the future. Null.

T-Pein. I think I've never seen T-Pein being serious during my whole time on WG. I'm not sure how to read them. Yesterday, they went to my "rescue" by going for Reloaded when this one wanted me to claim in early phases. Now they are asking who we are voting today, I fear it's a manner to reject the responsibility on case of we mislynch someone today. Null but I'll keep an eye on him.

Indigo. Mostly fluff posting. He voted to lynch me Yesterday and it was the only time in the game he developped any excuse to lynch someone. He could be among the persons using the wagon on me to direct a free mislynch on me. I would say null with a slight of scum lean.

Seatonnes. He went for me by following the others' wagon on me and after revealed he done it for entertainment. If was lynched on this, I would really have been pissed off. Scum leaning. Maybe it will change if he shows more seriousness.

Sallucion. Didn't even know the guy was here. Null for the moment.

Mango. I remember he went for Reloaded in early game. His latest messages were more constructive. He also talked flavor, I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing to deduct things from the lore in a game with the current rules. Null.

HeWhoHasNoEqual. Who I will call Hew starting from now. He seemed to be confident in his poorly numbered messages. Does anyone know him? Are we sure he's not a troll?

Naomi. I was in a cold situation with her yesterday. Now it was mostly due to the other situation with Flower. I asked her why she was trusting this much Flower, and she said it was thanks to her past experiences with Flower, which seems legit. The only thing I could tell about this is that she's not explaining enough how she was hinted to think Flower is looking town thanks to the past experiences with her. Since I think Naomi seems to be way too much visible by the the whole cast to be a scum. I still have doubt. Null with slight town vibes.

Luka. He was also in conflict with Flower. He argued with them but I'm not sure it was leading to anything good for the town. Null.

Retro. She's sharing some ISO and vote counts like during the recent game on OLF where she was scum but she didn't give enough yet and I don't know how she's playing most of the time. Null.

Orwellian. A difficult case. He went against Flower who went against me but I went against her too, but I'll developp about Flower later. He reminds me the game I just had on OLF where he was townie, he looks similar, he tries hard against everybody and lost his whole time disputing with another user. He also thinks Reloaded's action from yesterday is strange about asking me to claim. But we're coming for Reloaded just after. Town leaning.

Reloaded. Reloaded's behavior from yesterday gave me a strange feeling. He didn't hesitate to vote lynch me after Flower and Naomi did. He after followed Flower when she requested me to claim. Orwellian said him it was looking bad to push someone to claim Day 1 when the someone in question doesn't have so much pressure on him. He also was kind of "offering" me to leave me alone if I claim. It was really weird. Scum leaning.

Ratchet. Ratchet seems to be close to Flower. Probably another person who plays with Flower since a long time. He was mostly talking about mafia in theory and how people are usually playing. Null but if he shows us more useful posts about his reads on players, I could see him as town leaning.

The Orca. I think Orca is townie. He has central part in the game like during the ATLA despite being staying discret. He's managing the pressure and proceeds to confront the people voting him.

CakeWalker. I don't know what to think about CakeWalker. He theorised that Naomi could pocket Flower which I don't think. If there was any pocketting between the two, I think Flower would be the one pocketting, she seems the more détermined of the two. Cake also shares my worries about Seatonnes. So I'm waiting for Seatonnes to react about our questions to see how Cake will do later. Null with town lean.

Flower. Ô Flower ! I think the whole episode around her and me was just bullshit. I was mostly pissed off about her reaction to my "teasing joke" and I can conceed it was misplaced. I went on her after this because I was thinking about the link between Flower and Naomi and really thought it could lead me to something, but seems it won't. And same thing that for Naomi, she seems to be too much on the front to be scum. Town leaning.

Michelle. This one didn't give me a big impression but I don't think she might be scum. She went after me a bit but she didn't have any hostility I think and wanted me to be more clear. Null but could turn in my town reads in a near future.



Conclusion. I don't think we should go for Flower and the big heads of the show. The scums might hide between the shadows of the most active players. Be attentive to who's following the wagons discretly.

I'm here

what's the case on Ultra?

All right, i'm sheeping Fuji and Flower here

Vote Lynch Orca

did a fast read, so Fuji claims Miller, interesting

@Mr. Reloaded you scum this game again?

really?

i actually town read Flower here

putting way too much focus on themselves and trying to steer the game into a lynch, instead of fluff

if Flower gets townies lynched, won't last long

don't think that would be a good idea on D1

Ah, i got confused

i thought Naomi was talking about you, quoting the vote

Alright !
Unvote

I don't want to taste your thunder.

No. Why?

that was easy lmao

Just checking

Vote Lynch Nibel

Flower's play this game is so wild lmao

i have a theory

no need to share it right now, i will for more information

might share it on D2, depending on how things go

I don't think i can though, we can't discuss subs

Nibel's reaction was pretty bad, ngl

that unvote as soon as Flower targeted them was too much

We back to Orca now?

Vote Lynch The Orca

Change your vote to Flower.

What's the case?

just did the same, to understand the new wagon, didn't find anything

Here's my thing:

I started off by being fine sheeping Fuji and Flower here.

I believe Fuji's miller claim for now, will see what happens in the future.

Flower on the other hand started strong for me, but a few things have been making me doubt that slot since then.

I still think Nibel's reaction to unvoting Flower as soon as Flower turned on Nibel was really weak, felt like a caught scum being scared. So i won't forget that.

I didn't have much on Orca, i was just sheeping on the wagon.

The HeWhoHasNoEqual dude, i just read all of his 7 posts, didn't see much. If you guys wanna lynch there because of inactivity, sure, last few games had quite a few scum hiding in there. But his flip won't really give us a lot of info, since there's almost no interactivity.

I'm actually kinda fine voting for Flower here.

One of those things i can't discuss, since it's related to subs. So no talk here. And this is the main one tbh.

This thing combined with the self voting, and the way Flower is being extremely agressive, it makes me feel like the slot could be scum.

You realize you haven't engaged with me about that dude?

If this is the start of it, sure, let's talk.

I only read his 7 posts because i saw his votes on the VC.

I didn't even pay attention you're the one that started the wagon lmao.

What is your reasoning for having the dude on scum lock then?

Unvote

for now

I sent them way eariler, alongisde that post

now it seems like the game has once again changed, different wagons every time i show up

I'm fine with all 3 main wagons so far, so sure, i could see a Flower flip giving us a lot of info here, one way or the other

Vote Lynch Flower

You really going for Orwellian? or just sheeping Flower? (which is fine )

@Ekkologix what are your strongest scum reads so far on D1?

Cake, can you give me your strongest scum reads so far? i'm gathering info, thank you

Seatones - and this is now reinforced by this return that sort of confirmed himself as scum.

Naomi has a large potential to be scum.

Ekko is probably SK or some weird anti town indie.

It wasn't about flower.

And I could switch really at any point.

HWHNE and Tonnes don't exactly look great.

As much as I don't really like the formers wagon at all.

Okay, these are interesting

both of you think Flower is town here?

I said i was fine with a Flower wagon way before Ekko asked for it lol

Indigo have some lack of care for the lynch.
If it’s not lazy town he is scum, but I have no idea how he plays.
I agree he should be Poe and receive pressure.

 

[Michelle]

What's the VC now?

 

[CakeWalker]

HARD TOWN
CakeWalker
Flower [Replaced D1]
Orwellian
Polar Bear
The Orca

SOFT TOWN
Indigo
Alwaysmind
Ultra
T-Pein
Ratchet
Hayumi

NEUTRAL
Kiku
Michelle
MangoSenpai
Dr. Watson [Replaced D1]
Sallucion
HeWhoHasNoEqual
Nibel
Luka

SCUM POTENTIAL
Mr. Reloaded
Naomi

ANTI TOWN INDIE
Ekkologix

HARD SCUM
Seatonnes

Everyone in my bottom four is voting me. I cal that striking gold.

 

[Michelle]

@Kiku @T-Pein™ @Alwaysmind @MangoSenpai @Sallucion @HeWhoHasNoEqual @Indigo @MangoSenpai whats ur thoughts on ultra and cake this game guys?

You didn't ask me, but I will answer.
Ultra, I still think is scum. Of course, town has cold feet to lynch a champion, but I expect mafia to push him a little if he is town, but his wagon died and the attention on him is low (my perception, I didn't catch up yet, so tell me if I am wrong).
Cake has a weak presence, like she is tip toeing sometimes, and I can't make a scum case but also I can't make a town case, and that's suspicious for me.

 

[CakeWalker]

Funny it happened whist I was asleep to. Anyway back to bed for a few more hours

 

[Michelle]

I would start by lynching in the suspicious low posters, I will Iso later in the day.

I don't like Hayumi complaining about the LHF 7 poster like people voitng the slot are sus, because if we can't receive anything from a slot it's good to get rid of them sooner than later.

 

[Flower]

I'm fine with all 3 main wagons so far, so sure, i could see a Flower flip giving us a lot of info here, one way or the other

Vote Lynch Flower

Horrendous vote.

 

[Ratchet]

ultra had 2 votes, flower had 3. aurelian based his viability off of this

I explained the issue with this over and over and over again.

I can't be bothered reading any more.

 

[Flower]

So, did Ultra not even come back?

 

[Flower]

Vote Ultra.

 

[Ratchet]

yeah i dont see it, i think ur push is very weak lol. u latched onto him choosing to push one scum read over the other as some agenda driven scum motivation

flower was and is still definitly more viable lynch than ultra. this is an undeniable fact. and i don't think him pursuing his second PoE over his primary is anything scum motivated or worthy of a lynch with nearly this degree of confidence that u r displaying

what would u call this, making a mountain out of a molehill?

How can you still not understand my point, after I've explained it again and again and again and again.

What am I supposed to do with this. How can I possibly play a game with someone who just refuses to read and parse an argument crucial to understanding. I just don't want to play anymore tbh.

 

[Ratchet]

Vote: Ultra

 

[Flower]

WTF is with all those alerts, Ekko. I ain't reading all that.

I think it's time to hold Ultra over the fire.

 

[Ratchet]

ratchet - will wait for his responses to my quotes earlier re: aurelian, ultra, flower, and cake

You won't be getting anything more. I explained in very explicit detail why Fang's argument and stated thought process cannot have happened. You didn't understand, and instead insisted it was weak or making a big deal out of nothing. The thought process is pretty crucial - certainly not nothing.

I'm trying not to insult you. But I don't believe for a second that you're unable to understand that Fang compromising by voting Flower over Ultra, when Ultra and Flower had the same number of votes, makes no sense for a townie to go through. I just dont. If you don't understand my point then you don't get to say it's weak or whatever.

 

[Ratchet]

Like I actively no longer want to engage with the game. Entirely because of this bum.