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My argument doesn't need any justification, the 1500+ dead babies (and counting is justification enough). It has always been about white supremacy
"If 🇮🇱 didn't exist, we would invent one." It's always been about the west having a foothold in the region, and not about a persecuted group in need of a homeland.
I do not agree with civilian deaths, don't know whats so hard to understand about that ngl. Yes they are freedom fighters. The same people that called Malcolm X, MLK, Nelson Mandela & the Algerian resistance etc "terrorists", are doing the same thing now with the palestinians. Pardon me for not giving a hoot.
I did? That's news to me. Like I said before (outside of you projecting hard), I don't have the ability to make you understand what I write. That's a deficiency on your end.
I do and they need to face justice, for all the innocents they murdered over the decades.
The inability to read & understand properly, gaslighting and now projection. Oh boy are you on a role
"If 🇮🇱 didn't exist, we would invent one." It's always been about the west having a foothold in the region, and not about a persecuted group in need of a homeland.
I do not agree with civilian deaths, don't know whats so hard to understand about that ngl. Yes they are freedom fighters. The same people that called Malcolm X, MLK, Nelson Mandela & the Algerian resistance etc "terrorists", are doing the same thing now with the palestinians. Pardon me for not giving a hoot.
I did? That's news to me. Like I said before (outside of you projecting hard), I don't have the ability to make you understand what I write. That's a deficiency on your end.
I do and they need to face justice, for all the innocents they murdered over the decades.
The inability to read & understand properly, gaslighting and now projection. Oh boy are you on a role
I mean, you're free to believe that. But I don't.
Yes, yes, ok okay.
They are terrorists, not freedom fighters. If you cheer for them, then any words of "I don't agree with civilian deaths" ring hollow. Unlike yourself, I do not call Israel's actions justified. I simply understand, as a part of human nature, that people desire vengeance. Is it right? No.
You can say 'gaslighting' and 'projecting' and whatever, but we come at this from two fundamentally different views. I do not believe that terrorism can ever be freedom fighting. You have stated, and I quote "they need to face justice". Tell me, what do you want of Israel then? What is it that you desire, truly? A Palastine/Islamic led Israel? Do you want them to go to jail? Or do you want the Zionists to be killed for their 'sins'?
In your now-deleted post, which I wonder if it was removed due to you being a clear caller for genocide, you said:
"One day we're gonna hunt down Zionists and their supporters."
You're the gaslighter and more importantly, a god-damned clown.
Yes, yes, ok okay.
They are terrorists, not freedom fighters. If you cheer for them, then any words of "I don't agree with civilian deaths" ring hollow. Unlike yourself, I do not call Israel's actions justified. I simply understand, as a part of human nature, that people desire vengeance. Is it right? No.
You can say 'gaslighting' and 'projecting' and whatever, but we come at this from two fundamentally different views. I do not believe that terrorism can ever be freedom fighting. You have stated, and I quote "they need to face justice". Tell me, what do you want of Israel then? What is it that you desire, truly? A Palastine/Islamic led Israel? Do you want them to go to jail? Or do you want the Zionists to be killed for their 'sins'?
In your now-deleted post, which I wonder if it was removed due to you being a clear caller for genocide, you said:
"One day we're gonna hunt down Zionists and their supporters."
You're the gaslighter and more importantly, a god-damned clown.
No its not. People are being thrown out of their homes and those home are being given to colonizers. Nothing is complicated here.
No they are not, they are doing twice the atrocities and twice the damage. It seems that you don't want to take into question the non proportionnalities of Israelian responses.
Those who aren't dead you Einstein.
GOod to see that you are legiimizing a literal genocide
Exactly, you cannot commit oppression for 70 years on a people poke they while they are in a cage with bombs every so often and be surprised that one day when you get closer they take an eye or two from you.
This is not right, but its reality. THe reality of Israelian colonization and oppression over the palestinian for DECADES.
Then don't thrown yourself under the bus to defend litteral genocidal attacks.
SHow me the debunk, if my informations are not true I would be glad to deny that.
See, that's the problem of far right people like yourself. Once we start to poke you a little bit in the wrong side you panic. Yes the Israelian gov is on the verge of a crypto fascist turn. The simple fact that the gov is dehumanizing its ennemy publicaly is a proof of that. But I see that far righter have each others back..
No. Its not bizarre and I'm not far left, beside for politically uneducate people as yourself. I'm an entry leftist. I'm far from having radical leftist belief. But how would you know, you are so politically confused. The fact that we are defending Palestinian is just the result of the fact that leftist fight oppression. But you can't even see the oppression and the genocidal act under your own eyes, so how would you understand why we are fighting with people like Palestinians... Ridicule.
No they are not, they are doing twice the atrocities and twice the damage. It seems that you don't want to take into question the non proportionnalities of Israelian responses.
Those who aren't dead you Einstein.
GOod to see that you are legiimizing a literal genocide
Exactly, you cannot commit oppression for 70 years on a people poke they while they are in a cage with bombs every so often and be surprised that one day when you get closer they take an eye or two from you.
This is not right, but its reality. THe reality of Israelian colonization and oppression over the palestinian for DECADES.
Then don't thrown yourself under the bus to defend litteral genocidal attacks.
SHow me the debunk, if my informations are not true I would be glad to deny that.
See, that's the problem of far right people like yourself. Once we start to poke you a little bit in the wrong side you panic. Yes the Israelian gov is on the verge of a crypto fascist turn. The simple fact that the gov is dehumanizing its ennemy publicaly is a proof of that. But I see that far righter have each others back..
No. Its not bizarre and I'm not far left, beside for politically uneducate people as yourself. I'm an entry leftist. I'm far from having radical leftist belief. But how would you know, you are so politically confused. The fact that we are defending Palestinian is just the result of the fact that leftist fight oppression. But you can't even see the oppression and the genocidal act under your own eyes, so how would you understand why we are fighting with people like Palestinians... Ridicule.
All I see is a lot of emotional argumentation and very little logic. Your ability to strawman and virtue signal is second-to-none. Do note that my being opposed to terrorism is construed as far-right. As for my own framing of your own political position, you have systematically proven over the course of multiple debates to be a populist-leftist who is even shunned by people within your own sphere because you are holier-than-thou and support only what you believe will make you look good.
The left, in this instance, is encouraging terrorism. It is utilising eye for an eye philosophy and grievance politics from the past. I have always been a stalwart of the position that what happened in the past is not what matters in this instance, it was the savage barbarism of Hamas that we need to look at right now. What they did was inexcusable, regardless of their reason. If they hadn't been so extreme and raped, beheaded, tortured and kidnapped, maybe I'd have understood the attack more. There is a clear double-standard here and it stems either from a dislike of Jews or a Muslim-preference. I don't care which it is. But I do care that when a Muslim attacks it is against systematic oppression, but if Israel attacks back it's because they're monsters violating international law.
Can you not see that BOTH sides are fucking travesties? Or must you always align with one? If it was up to me I'd offer no aid to either side. Just let them do what they want to each other at this point -- but I'll condemn each time a clearly evil act takes place -- like bombing civilians or butchering them, which I am consistent on. Fuck.
The left, in this instance, is encouraging terrorism. It is utilising eye for an eye philosophy and grievance politics from the past. I have always been a stalwart of the position that what happened in the past is not what matters in this instance, it was the savage barbarism of Hamas that we need to look at right now. What they did was inexcusable, regardless of their reason. If they hadn't been so extreme and raped, beheaded, tortured and kidnapped, maybe I'd have understood the attack more. There is a clear double-standard here and it stems either from a dislike of Jews or a Muslim-preference. I don't care which it is. But I do care that when a Muslim attacks it is against systematic oppression, but if Israel attacks back it's because they're monsters violating international law.
Can you not see that BOTH sides are fucking travesties? Or must you always align with one? If it was up to me I'd offer no aid to either side. Just let them do what they want to each other at this point -- but I'll condemn each time a clearly evil act takes place -- like bombing civilians or butchering them, which I am consistent on. Fuck.
Oh.. the famous assertion, "you are not being logical". Bro, why do you think I named myself like that. You don't know how to pick your fight lmao. Your political compass is mesurable, from your transphobia to your defense of murderers, truzst me, my reasonning is nothing but logic.
I don't strawman, I say what I observe, and I observe a confused far right transphobe here. Don't you dare think that I've forgotten your point of view on LGBTQ matter. Some things are starting to stick in my mind and you are part of it. You can "you are just vertue signaling" me all you want, your reasonning speaks for yourself. You are in plain defend of a crypto fascist state here. ANd again I don't call crypto fascist anyone, but those who are logically but truly taking that path.
This means nothing.
Aww.. the basic far right rethoric, the returning of the responsability. "the left is responsible" No one is encouraging terrorist but you. Because yeah my dude.. oppressing a people and scarcing them from any ressources water and food in order to terrrorize the people enough for them to rebel against what they see as the resistants is exacly that, terrorism. I hate what the hamas did, but you are literally legitimizing terrorism.
And all of that is AGAIN, all but a logical reasonning in front of your politically uneducated and confused opinion on this conflict.
BY the way you just lied.
Because you don't see or refuse to see which party has the power here. Yes when the palestinian attack even when they are being monstruous, its under OPPRESSION, that's NOT the case of the Israelian gov. Read some sociology gosh damn it.
THey are. Literally, for decades. Only ignorants and illogical people deny that.
Its like saying, under patriarchy both men and women are under oppression. No. THere is one side that has the power over the other. That's basic.
Yes, with the one that is under oppression, its basic humanity.
I don't strawman, I say what I observe, and I observe a confused far right transphobe here. Don't you dare think that I've forgotten your point of view on LGBTQ matter. Some things are starting to stick in my mind and you are part of it. You can "you are just vertue signaling" me all you want, your reasonning speaks for yourself. You are in plain defend of a crypto fascist state here. ANd again I don't call crypto fascist anyone, but those who are logically but truly taking that path.
This means nothing.
Aww.. the basic far right rethoric, the returning of the responsability. "the left is responsible" No one is encouraging terrorist but you. Because yeah my dude.. oppressing a people and scarcing them from any ressources water and food in order to terrrorize the people enough for them to rebel against what they see as the resistants is exacly that, terrorism. I hate what the hamas did, but you are literally legitimizing terrorism.
And all of that is AGAIN, all but a logical reasonning in front of your politically uneducated and confused opinion on this conflict.
BY the way you just lied.
Because you don't see or refuse to see which party has the power here. Yes when the palestinian attack even when they are being monstruous, its under OPPRESSION, that's NOT the case of the Israelian gov. Read some sociology gosh damn it.
THey are. Literally, for decades. Only ignorants and illogical people deny that.
Its like saying, under patriarchy both men and women are under oppression. No. THere is one side that has the power over the other. That's basic.
Yes, with the one that is under oppression, its basic humanity.
Last message for the zionist sympathiser 
I don't care if you don't 
They're freedom fighters, against oppressors. That's never gonna change I promise. I couldn't careless about what a zionist sympathiser thinks rings hollow. You don't need to say it, your excuses is more than enough proof for me. Vengeance is more than justified against those that oppress people.
I will say it, cause that's what you've been doing and it'd be funny if it werent pathetic. It can't be but in this case the terrorists just bombed the 3rd oldest church in gaza, with American made weapons. For one to stop murdering and imprisoning palestinians. To stop the settler colonisation of palestinian lands. To stop the hostage taking and to release the 1300+ hostages they've taken and sent to prison. For the politician and everyone that took part in the ethnic cleansing to face trial and the killers to be given the death penalty. We can start there and then move accordingly.
lmao mate you're insignificant i promise.
Yes what of it. Criminals get hunted down. Victims getting their justice against their oppressors is in no way genocidal, regardless of what you or them moderators say or delete. If I wanted to say genocidal remarks I'd come out and say, the fucks gonna happen apart from my cartoon sight account getting deleted?
One way or another, the murderous zionist regime will get there's. They will get punished for all the murders they've committed over the years.
I mean, you're free to believe that. But I don't.
Yes, yes, ok okay.
Yes, yes, ok okay.
They're freedom fighters, against oppressors. That's never gonna change I promise. I couldn't careless about what a zionist sympathiser thinks rings hollow. You don't need to say it, your excuses is more than enough proof for me. Vengeance is more than justified against those that oppress people.
I will say it, cause that's what you've been doing and it'd be funny if it werent pathetic. It can't be but in this case the terrorists just bombed the 3rd oldest church in gaza, with American made weapons. For one to stop murdering and imprisoning palestinians. To stop the settler colonisation of palestinian lands. To stop the hostage taking and to release the 1300+ hostages they've taken and sent to prison. For the politician and everyone that took part in the ethnic cleansing to face trial and the killers to be given the death penalty. We can start there and then move accordingly.
lmao mate you're insignificant i promise.
Yes what of it. Criminals get hunted down. Victims getting their justice against their oppressors is in no way genocidal, regardless of what you or them moderators say or delete. If I wanted to say genocidal remarks I'd come out and say, the fucks gonna happen apart from my cartoon sight account getting deleted?
One way or another, the murderous zionist regime will get there's. They will get punished for all the murders they've committed over the years.
Last message for the zionist sympathiser
I don't care if you don't
They're freedom fighters, against oppressors. That's never gonna change I promise. I couldn't careless about what a zionist sympathiser thinks rings hollow. You don't need to say it, your excuses is more than enough proof for me. Vengeance is more than justified against those that oppress people.
I will say it, cause that's what you've been doing and it'd be funny if it werent pathetic. It can't be but in this case the terrorists just bombed the 3rd oldest church in gaza, with American made weapons. For one to stop murdering and imprisoning palestinians. To stop the settler colonisation of palestinian lands. To stop the hostage taking and to release the 1300+ hostages they've taken and sent to prison. For the politician and everyone that took part in the ethnic cleansing to face trial and the killers to be given the death penalty. We can start there and then move accordingly.
lmao mate you're insignificant i promise.
Yes what of it. Criminals get hunted down. Victims getting their justice against their oppressors is in no way genocidal, regardless of what you or them moderators say or delete. If I wanted to say genocidal remarks I'd come out and say, the fucks gonna happen apart from my cartoon sight account getting deleted?
One way or another, the murderous zionist regime will get there's. They will get punished for all the murders they've committed over the years.
I don't care if you don't
They're freedom fighters, against oppressors. That's never gonna change I promise. I couldn't careless about what a zionist sympathiser thinks rings hollow. You don't need to say it, your excuses is more than enough proof for me. Vengeance is more than justified against those that oppress people.
I will say it, cause that's what you've been doing and it'd be funny if it werent pathetic. It can't be but in this case the terrorists just bombed the 3rd oldest church in gaza, with American made weapons. For one to stop murdering and imprisoning palestinians. To stop the settler colonisation of palestinian lands. To stop the hostage taking and to release the 1300+ hostages they've taken and sent to prison. For the politician and everyone that took part in the ethnic cleansing to face trial and the killers to be given the death penalty. We can start there and then move accordingly.
lmao mate you're insignificant i promise.
Yes what of it. Criminals get hunted down. Victims getting their justice against their oppressors is in no way genocidal, regardless of what you or them moderators say or delete. If I wanted to say genocidal remarks I'd come out and say, the fucks gonna happen apart from my cartoon sight account getting deleted?
One way or another, the murderous zionist regime will get there's. They will get punished for all the murders they've committed over the years.
That’s not the point lol. Less than 10k Americans died in those 2 wars. The reality is if a war breaks out and America is involved the other armies will be making their beds, not the U.S.
Muh freedom fighters killing the nasty people who were oppressing them
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/arab-israeli-hamas-attacks.html
Muh freedom fighters killing the nasty people who were oppressing them
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/arab-israeli-hamas-attacks.html
That’s not the point lol. Less than 10k Americans died in those 2 wars. The reality is if a war breaks out and America is involved the other armies will be making their beds, not the U.S.
Muh freedom fighters killing the nasty people who were oppressing them
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/arab-israeli-hamas-attacks.html
Muh freedom fighters killing the nasty people who were oppressing them
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/arab-israeli-hamas-attacks.html
And send you where? Or do they just make them stateless?
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https://forward.com/fast-forward/56...0 Israelis have,advocacy group in the country.
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https://forward.com/fast-forward/56...0 Israelis have,advocacy group in the country.
my bad my bad
I misremembered a headline I read a few years ago.
Yes israel can denaturalize you for being “disloyal”, but that involves actual crimes like terrorism and espionage, not just criticism.
Critics said it was discriminatory because it would only be used against Palestinian terrorists and not Jewish ones.
I misremembered a headline I read a few years ago.
Yes israel can denaturalize you for being “disloyal”, but that involves actual crimes like terrorism and espionage, not just criticism.
Critics said it was discriminatory because it would only be used against Palestinian terrorists and not Jewish ones.
Yeah but to be fair, I think most western countries have laws like that
like I remember there being this famous case of this ISIS bride who had her British citizenship revoked
overall imo it is racist because these types of laws are only applied to minorities. White terrorists(or Jewish ones in Israel’s case) never have their citizenship revoked.
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Speaking about Jewish terrorism
one of Israel’s top ministers was literally convicted of supporting a terrorist organization
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir
like I remember there being this famous case of this ISIS bride who had her British citizenship revoked
overall imo it is racist because these types of laws are only applied to minorities. White terrorists(or Jewish ones in Israel’s case) never have their citizenship revoked.
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Speaking about Jewish terrorism
one of Israel’s top ministers was literally convicted of supporting a terrorist organization
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir
Yeah Shamima Begum. That was a massive thing when it happened. That one I at least understand to degree.
Turn out she was groomed online and then smuggled out the UK by Canadian intelligence. I am and not surprised at the same time
Yeah these tactics are used against minorities mainly. The only famous white guy I can think of is Snowden I believe.
Ben Gvir? Lmao then they made him their minister of national security. I guess Netanyahu was desperate af
Turn out she was groomed online and then smuggled out the UK by Canadian intelligence. I am and not surprised at the same time
Yeah these tactics are used against minorities mainly. The only famous white guy I can think of is Snowden I believe.
Ben Gvir? Lmao then they made him their minister of national security. I guess Netanyahu was desperate af