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Comparing suffering into a hierarchy is not necessarily the best way of operating. As I've always said to people in my personal life who try to discount their experiences when they hear mine - all suffering is relative, and you cannot ever compare it.
I mean, when I was a child I had knives held to my throat. I have scars down my back. I know what it's like to have tools of murder directed at you at a young age.
I have not lost 30 people because of it, mind you. And that is a sad experience for those people.
We explain what the terrorists did, but people tend to ignore what the IDF do in response. It is here where your explanation comments lie flat. Do you think those who enacted revenge back should be pitied as well? You don't, from what I've read.
I never said "they must die," what a great comment. No. I said it's evil. They are morally responsible for their own actions and I do not believe any of them should have any justifications for their actions. Those who are angry and seek the destruction of society or property are not righteous, they are vindictive. Most revolutions result in an unprepared group taking over and often or not being just as fascistic or tyrannical as the previous dictatorship.
I will not "be careful" with calling it how it is. These people, the ones who attacked back, are evil. They were being savages, regardless of why. And it is that reality that we must accept.
I'm sorry to tell you this, Logiko, but not being in their specific place does not mean I don't have any understanding. I didn't lose 30 members of my family. But I lost the ability to trust almost anyone. I was betrayed, abused, raped and nearly killed by those who were meant to protect me. I was left with my monster by services that are meant to save you from them (police, social services). I was freed, only to have a new aggressor take up his reigns. I was homeless, I was malnourished to the point that I almost died, and I did not become a monster who would act on my base instincts.
I mean, when I was a child I had knives held to my throat. I have scars down my back. I know what it's like to have tools of murder directed at you at a young age.
I have not lost 30 people because of it, mind you. And that is a sad experience for those people.
We explain what the terrorists did, but people tend to ignore what the IDF do in response. It is here where your explanation comments lie flat. Do you think those who enacted revenge back should be pitied as well? You don't, from what I've read.
I never said "they must die," what a great comment. No. I said it's evil. They are morally responsible for their own actions and I do not believe any of them should have any justifications for their actions. Those who are angry and seek the destruction of society or property are not righteous, they are vindictive. Most revolutions result in an unprepared group taking over and often or not being just as fascistic or tyrannical as the previous dictatorship.
I will not "be careful" with calling it how it is. These people, the ones who attacked back, are evil. They were being savages, regardless of why. And it is that reality that we must accept.
I'm sorry to tell you this, Logiko, but not being in their specific place does not mean I don't have any understanding. I didn't lose 30 members of my family. But I lost the ability to trust almost anyone. I was betrayed, abused, raped and nearly killed by those who were meant to protect me. I was left with my monster by services that are meant to save you from them (police, social services). I was freed, only to have a new aggressor take up his reigns. I was homeless, I was malnourished to the point that I almost died, and I did not become a monster who would act on my base instincts.
Yeah you don't know what you're talking about. Most palestinians are Muslims, and adhere to Islamic law (and they would 100% want to be governed by it), and under that law if Hamas or anyone else under that law, targeted civilians they would be put down as that is considered murder.
There's no ifs or buts and no accidents is understandable, but outright targeting is murder and that's a death sentence.
So no im not advocating for nor am I supporting war crimes and you clearly do not know what you're talking about
There's no ifs or buts and no accidents is understandable, but outright targeting is murder and that's a death sentence.
So no im not advocating for nor am I supporting war crimes and you clearly do not know what you're talking about
Why do extremists always find ways to exploit conflicts?
Yes makes a lot of sense. Sounds like what Murica is doing. Murica best country in the world.
Don't you know? Leaving the trenches of France and the shit holes of of Germany, to go fight in lands hundreds of miles away is defence. Especially lands that didn't or doesn't belong to you.
Makes sense to me
Makes sense to me
Notice that I'm not comparing here. I know that suffering are relative. I'm only saying that there is a point of suffering when no human is immune to becoming a monster. None.
I hope you got better
In a conflict you must ALWAYS look at WHO has the power. it works as much as military that human conflict. When a kid make a very big mistake, the one with the power is not the kid, so the kid even tho he made a mistake should not be beaten.
You know the sentence :"with great power, comes great responsibilities".
When you have the power, you have the responsibility of your answer. Yes, victims on the israelian side are sad, noone is saying the opposite, but the answer is NOT to act as you have the same power as the other guy, you don't. IDF has military and the atomic power. Hamas doesn't and is very ... very small in comparison. So even then, you must act accordingly. Or its being a fool in the game.
No one is evil. We only do evil things.
Justification doesn't mean forgiveness. We MUST understand the problem to face it or we will redraw the circle of hate again and again and again.
No.
First step toward fascism: dehumanization of the ennemy
And this is sad, but you are still alive. Those guys are waiting death right now.
I don't care about their ideology I only care about their actions right now. We are not in a position to discuss ideology here.
I hope you got better
In a conflict you must ALWAYS look at WHO has the power. it works as much as military that human conflict. When a kid make a very big mistake, the one with the power is not the kid, so the kid even tho he made a mistake should not be beaten.
You know the sentence :"with great power, comes great responsibilities".
When you have the power, you have the responsibility of your answer. Yes, victims on the israelian side are sad, noone is saying the opposite, but the answer is NOT to act as you have the same power as the other guy, you don't. IDF has military and the atomic power. Hamas doesn't and is very ... very small in comparison. So even then, you must act accordingly. Or its being a fool in the game.
No one is evil. We only do evil things.
Justification doesn't mean forgiveness. We MUST understand the problem to face it or we will redraw the circle of hate again and again and again.
No.
First step toward fascism: dehumanization of the ennemy
And this is sad, but you are still alive. Those guys are waiting death right now.
I don't care about their ideology I only care about their actions right now. We are not in a position to discuss ideology here.
I believe in objective evil. If found guilty of the most heinous of crimes in a court of law (very important), then I do think that it should be allowed. It is not on the individual to administer that punishment.
I think bad things can make people into monsters, but once they become monsters they are evil.
I have gotten better. It was a long journey, however.
I don't agree. Not about the kid beating, but the concept of power being the most contributing factor. It's oppression politics and runs on intersectionality which is a divisive ideology. Law should be objective.
I am glad you accept what the Israelites received was bad. Their response has been just as monstrous.
People become evil once they commit evil. Anyone can become evil. You can also choose to be good. That is morality. I will give you that people can perceive good and evil differently, and it can depend on what side you are on, BUT, I believe in an objective morality based on things that people inherently seem to know: "Do not kill," etc.
The Soviet revolution resulted in mass starvation and eventual tyranny. That is just one example.
Which is what both the Palestinians AND the Israelites are doing to each other. The Palestinians are just as fascist in your opinion.
I was waiting for death, though. The result is proof that you can come out of it without becoming a monster, no?
Effectively, those who are aggrieved (the Palestinians) have struck back at Israel through acts of terror. It is wrong. Why does not matter.
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As you say, my concern isn't why. Anyone can become a monster. But I cannot excuse becoming one.
I think bad things can make people into monsters, but once they become monsters they are evil.
I have gotten better. It was a long journey, however.
I don't agree. Not about the kid beating, but the concept of power being the most contributing factor. It's oppression politics and runs on intersectionality which is a divisive ideology. Law should be objective.
I am glad you accept what the Israelites received was bad. Their response has been just as monstrous.
People become evil once they commit evil. Anyone can become evil. You can also choose to be good. That is morality. I will give you that people can perceive good and evil differently, and it can depend on what side you are on, BUT, I believe in an objective morality based on things that people inherently seem to know: "Do not kill," etc.
The Soviet revolution resulted in mass starvation and eventual tyranny. That is just one example.
Which is what both the Palestinians AND the Israelites are doing to each other. The Palestinians are just as fascist in your opinion.
I was waiting for death, though. The result is proof that you can come out of it without becoming a monster, no?
What does ''attacking back'' mean?
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As you say, my concern isn't why. Anyone can become a monster. But I cannot excuse becoming one.
