Versus Battle Post Rose Meruem vs Charlotte Katakuri
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What can indicate how much force HxH character can produce is likely Killua opens a door whose weight is 64 tons. Does Killua use 2 hands? Hajrudin who is weaker than veteran only uses 1 hand to overpower Machvise whose weight is 10.000 tons.
There is also a difference between moving object and unmoving object. Killua opens a door which is unmoving while Hajrudin overpowers 10.000 tons which is moving.
The later has better feat. It's like when you have to face an object whose weight is 50 kg.
Is it easier to knockback that object when that object is unmoving or when that object is moving toward you?
The answer is clear it is much harder to knockback object which moves toward you since there is a force from that object which resists the force you produce toward that said object.
There is also a difference between moving object and unmoving object. Killua opens a door which is unmoving while Hajrudin overpowers 10.000 tons which is moving.
The later has better feat. It's like when you have to face an object whose weight is 50 kg.
Is it easier to knockback that object when that object is unmoving or when that object is moving toward you?
The answer is clear it is much harder to knockback object which moves toward you since there is a force from that object which resists the force you produce toward that said object.
Meruem will forever be a solid top tier in the HxH verse. With the FS and his awakening, Katakuri can put up a decent fight but Meruem will have the upper hand eventually due to his insane durability.
Meruem tanked those countless punches from Netero and the last power blast from Netero was no joke. He took them all head on and still looked fresh and pretty much unscathed.
Katakuri on the other hand was hurt with G2 Luffy’s punch after he lost his calm.
Meruem High Diffs Katakuri here..!!
Meruem tanked those countless punches from Netero and the last power blast from Netero was no joke. He took them all head on and still looked fresh and pretty much unscathed.
Katakuri on the other hand was hurt with G2 Luffy’s punch after he lost his calm.
Meruem High Diffs Katakuri here..!!
You are wrong; and your mimimi won't change anything about this scaling.
Please define "trash AP".
Compared to continent level characters? His AP is trash. Compared to large mountain/small island level, his AP IS on the same level in terms of ballpark.
Meruem's AP is superior to those with less AP than city level - he'd stomp them as well.
But Katakuri is simply on another level compared to Meruem, on a higher level!
It's quite amusing that you think we are the delusional wankers when we only use crossover battle powerscaling correctly and that's it; nothing more than amusing.
And yes, I scale Katakuri on G4th/Prime Chinjao level. What's the problem? Explain it.
Nonsense.
I clearly included the differences in stats between Katakuri and Bound Man/Snake Man, I repeat: Snake Man, despite punching weaker than Bound Man still has the same energy output, he just uses it differently; mainly for speed. Bound Man and Tank Man are both the same G4th form with the same amount of energy; its usage of the energy is just different.
And you ignored this as well: And now tell me, does Kizaru suddenly not have small continent level durability because Kaido can tank attacks from the same ballpark better?
Go ahead and explain why Kizaru suddenly jumps a tier below small continent level in durability only because Kaido can tank attacks better.
You know perfectly well how well this analogy works for Snake Man and Bound Man but you purposely excluded this part when writing your nonsensical post; pretending feigning ignorance, that's it.
The energy output, or the energy damage equivalent, is the measurement of Destructive Capacity which has been an established and valiable sorce for years and not an excuse, you clown.
If you know an alternative kind of source of measurement in terms of Attack Potency, go ahead and explain it - or shut the fuck up with your irrelevant nonsense, quite simply, don't you think so?
No.
Katakuri scaling to Luffy and Prime Chinjao is a fact. Rayleigh's words to Katakuri:
And it's the contrast.
You have to prove that Prime Chinjao is on par with the top of the high tiers and not the other way around. Katakuri's portrayal puts him above Prime Chinjao - and thus, he's scales to Prime Chinjao's feat.
Lacks of reading comprehension I see...
How did you come to this conclusion? Or do you mean that little analogy with Kaido? Don't worry, arguing about his potentials in the future chapters do not matter anyways.
Sucking off of OBD? Interesting.
I don't agree with everything OBD or VSBattles Wiki throws at someone but claiming I suck them off for taking their tiering system, including AP/DC, as credible sure makes you a genius.
Btw, could you explain me why...
...you were licking off Netero's balls that much in which you multiplid his AP feat which would makes you one of these multiplier abusers? That shit has no credibility - and the amount of attacks do not magically increase his energy output. Tf is wrong with you?
But thanks for proving once again that you absolutely do not know what you are talking about.
No, I did not say fallacy, I said no limit fallacy; it's a fallacy for putting limitless potential on a character in which you have no real way to gauge it since it is too vague. And thus, no limit fallacies are also usually forbidden in sites like VSBattles Wiki for obvious reasons.
@Chrono Weren't you saying I'm sucking off OBD? Then what's this? Lol.
Please define "trash AP".
Compared to continent level characters? His AP is trash. Compared to large mountain/small island level, his AP IS on the same level in terms of ballpark.
Meruem's AP is superior to those with less AP than city level - he'd stomp them as well.
But Katakuri is simply on another level compared to Meruem, on a higher level!
It's quite amusing that you think we are the delusional wankers when we only use crossover battle powerscaling correctly and that's it; nothing more than amusing.
And yes, I scale Katakuri on G4th/Prime Chinjao level. What's the problem? Explain it.
Nonsense.
I clearly included the differences in stats between Katakuri and Bound Man/Snake Man, I repeat: Snake Man, despite punching weaker than Bound Man still has the same energy output, he just uses it differently; mainly for speed. Bound Man and Tank Man are both the same G4th form with the same amount of energy; its usage of the energy is just different.
And you ignored this as well: And now tell me, does Kizaru suddenly not have small continent level durability because Kaido can tank attacks from the same ballpark better?
Go ahead and explain why Kizaru suddenly jumps a tier below small continent level in durability only because Kaido can tank attacks better.
You know perfectly well how well this analogy works for Snake Man and Bound Man but you purposely excluded this part when writing your nonsensical post; pretending feigning ignorance, that's it.
The energy output, or the energy damage equivalent, is the measurement of Destructive Capacity which has been an established and valiable sorce for years and not an excuse, you clown.
If you know an alternative kind of source of measurement in terms of Attack Potency, go ahead and explain it - or shut the fuck up with your irrelevant nonsense, quite simply, don't you think so?
No.
Katakuri scaling to Luffy and Prime Chinjao is a fact. Rayleigh's words to Katakuri:
And it's the contrast.
You have to prove that Prime Chinjao is on par with the top of the high tiers and not the other way around. Katakuri's portrayal puts him above Prime Chinjao - and thus, he's scales to Prime Chinjao's feat.
Lacks of reading comprehension I see...
How did you come to this conclusion? Or do you mean that little analogy with Kaido? Don't worry, arguing about his potentials in the future chapters do not matter anyways.
Sucking off of OBD? Interesting.
I don't agree with everything OBD or VSBattles Wiki throws at someone but claiming I suck them off for taking their tiering system, including AP/DC, as credible sure makes you a genius.
Btw, could you explain me why...
...you were licking off Netero's balls that much in which you multiplid his AP feat which would makes you one of these multiplier abusers? That shit has no credibility - and the amount of attacks do not magically increase his energy output. Tf is wrong with you?
But thanks for proving once again that you absolutely do not know what you are talking about.
No, I did not say fallacy, I said no limit fallacy; it's a fallacy for putting limitless potential on a character in which you have no real way to gauge it since it is too vague. And thus, no limit fallacies are also usually forbidden in sites like VSBattles Wiki for obvious reasons.
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@Chrono Weren't you saying I'm sucking off OBD? Then what's this? Lol.
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Sure, after tanking an attack far beyond the steel durability. I never said he no selled it, it is the same with the energy attack (nuke) which Meruem tanked and was still crippled to a certain degree.
How is a Pacifista more durable than Katakuri, if he tanked Hits which are far worse then the one that put a Pacifista down? That has nothing to do with Katakuri his Mochi body, since Luffy hit his true body (You already said he was injured).
I also don´t talk about the endurance/stamina. I talked about the durability, what Katakuri selled before.
If we going with stamina, OP characters like Luffy and Co. can fight for days, Admirals like Aokiji and Akainu fightning around 10 days.
How high is Meruem his endurance?
They are Cyborgs. One part of them isn´t human/biological. Also it is obvious that Kuma has a comparable alloy like a Pacifista, you saw what attacks from Zoro and Sanji did to him? Also why it is relevant if the machinery explodes? I never said Meruem would explode after a Haki punch lmao. That is of course because a Pacifista is a robot and made of different components, included Kizaru his light.
Agree, at this time his durability wasn´t different. Even Zoro couldn´t cut through him. He only scratched him with his suprise attack.
But as i said, what has the explosion to do with all that? A pacifista is more durable then a building, more durable then steel.
The current Luffy could probably oneshot the Kuma before timeskip and i don´t see what speak against it, since he already beat the likes of Doflamingo. Not all Samurai are in the same powerlevel, look at Crocodile who was beaten by Rookie Luffy. Or look at current Buggy. A regular Pacifista was a serious opponent for PTS Straw hats. Kuma is the origin and has also a Devil Fruit, which gives him more versatility.
The iron argument was already used at Daz Bonez, who was beaten by Zoro. The same Zoro who has trouble against Kuma and later against a Pacifista. Sanji nearly broked his leg against Kuma, later his kick break the neck of the Pacifista, while Zoro cut trough the Pacifista. It is obvious that Vergo is already far above iron, this guy selled an attack from Sanji without much problems. The same Sanji who breaked his leg by trying to counter Vergo his leg.
I don´t say humans have steel like durability. You are the one who compared humans to cyborgs above. It is obvious that humans in fiction are often superhuman.
Oh, yes he has. I mean, oc you can ignore the former statements, feats and scaling, but what kind of debate are we doing here?
If you didn´t accept scaling, create a topic and add the rule that scaling shouldn´t be used.
Also where did i said that "no having superior CoA doesn´t mean having superior stats"? Dafuq?
First of all, every OP characters have different stats and CoA increase the physical stats like the attacks and the durability by far. There are probably some people who are without using CoA Haki that durable and powerful (Kaido)
Wait, what? Sengoku never used Haki against Luffy, when he punched him the blood out of his mouth? Garp didn´t hurt Luffy without Haki? Only because Haki wasn´t that relevant in the early story, it ddidn´t mean it doesn´t exist.
Also you can scale previous ones, as long there is a chain that can be followed that can be traced. Like Luffy destroying a pacifista who was harder then steel and later he fought against Katakuri who only bleed a bit after those attacks. And that was even using with Koka, which makes Luffy his rubber harder and harder.
Sengoku was respected by Whitebeard and it was shown that the quake ability can keep up with his power. No Island level punch needed, since we have accurate scaling.
But i agree at the point that Moria and Shadow of Asgard Moria are different in terms of stats. Still. Moria was "only" a Samurai, not a emperor, or an Admiral. Also what has Moria his durability too do with that? We didn´t scale Moria his dura, we scale his punch against Luffy. Attack isn´t automatically = durability, even when VsBattle often thinks that is a good idea to scale it with that.
It is accepted by big Wikis, and battle boards who are debating stuff like that all day. Only because you are one of a few who didn´t accept it, it doesn´t mean we have to take your opinion as face value.
Listen, i still respect your opinion and i understand you problem with scaling. You disagree with scaling, i disagree with fancalcs which are even more worse then scaling. Or even more bad if someone uses scaling from those calcs, which is even more worse since we compare facts from fiction with headcanon.
I don´t know if the rules here are different from Battle boards, like scaling isn´t allowed here, then i will shut my mouth.
That´s why Attack Potency exist. Of course Doffy didn´t use it all day, the same like most DB characters didn´t destroy planets. They have the potency for that. You can´t scale all abilities and other powers on that, that should be logical. The same with DC/AP or Striking strength = durability, which doesn´t make sense either.
If he can do that, i don´t see there any problem. What speaks against it? I have to be fair with both sides. Scaling doesn´t only exist for Doflamingo.
You brought up a good point. Rock isn´t impressive, neither is the size. Oc you need more power to destroy a mountain which has more mass then a rock, but in terms of density they should be similar. (But even that is hard to find out, since we don´t know the constitution of it. If the rock has more minerals, or consist/is compressed of different rocks, it is harder then a regular rock. Those are unknown points, and we are going with the lowest possibility. However, a rock isn´t impressive in comparison to steel, or something that surpassed it.
Huh?
Look on his arm, he used CoA.
Didn´t see there any problem, only you use the statement seriously, when already was showed that Luffy can destroy something harder then that.
Narratively Rubber isn´t hard as steel too, and Luffy still trashed a Pacifista. Rubber can´t even destroy a stone, but it still happens. You can´t compare the elements 1:1 with the ones of our world.
How is a Pacifista more durable than Katakuri, if he tanked Hits which are far worse then the one that put a Pacifista down? That has nothing to do with Katakuri his Mochi body, since Luffy hit his true body (You already said he was injured).
I also don´t talk about the endurance/stamina. I talked about the durability, what Katakuri selled before.
If we going with stamina, OP characters like Luffy and Co. can fight for days, Admirals like Aokiji and Akainu fightning around 10 days.
How high is Meruem his endurance?
They are Cyborgs. One part of them isn´t human/biological. Also it is obvious that Kuma has a comparable alloy like a Pacifista, you saw what attacks from Zoro and Sanji did to him? Also why it is relevant if the machinery explodes? I never said Meruem would explode after a Haki punch lmao. That is of course because a Pacifista is a robot and made of different components, included Kizaru his light.
Agree, at this time his durability wasn´t different. Even Zoro couldn´t cut through him. He only scratched him with his suprise attack.
But as i said, what has the explosion to do with all that? A pacifista is more durable then a building, more durable then steel.
The current Luffy could probably oneshot the Kuma before timeskip and i don´t see what speak against it, since he already beat the likes of Doflamingo. Not all Samurai are in the same powerlevel, look at Crocodile who was beaten by Rookie Luffy. Or look at current Buggy. A regular Pacifista was a serious opponent for PTS Straw hats. Kuma is the origin and has also a Devil Fruit, which gives him more versatility.
The iron argument was already used at Daz Bonez, who was beaten by Zoro. The same Zoro who has trouble against Kuma and later against a Pacifista. Sanji nearly broked his leg against Kuma, later his kick break the neck of the Pacifista, while Zoro cut trough the Pacifista. It is obvious that Vergo is already far above iron, this guy selled an attack from Sanji without much problems. The same Sanji who breaked his leg by trying to counter Vergo his leg.
I don´t say humans have steel like durability. You are the one who compared humans to cyborgs above. It is obvious that humans in fiction are often superhuman.
Oh, yes he has. I mean, oc you can ignore the former statements, feats and scaling, but what kind of debate are we doing here?
If you didn´t accept scaling, create a topic and add the rule that scaling shouldn´t be used.
Also where did i said that "no having superior CoA doesn´t mean having superior stats"? Dafuq?
First of all, every OP characters have different stats and CoA increase the physical stats like the attacks and the durability by far. There are probably some people who are without using CoA Haki that durable and powerful (Kaido)
Wait, what? Sengoku never used Haki against Luffy, when he punched him the blood out of his mouth? Garp didn´t hurt Luffy without Haki? Only because Haki wasn´t that relevant in the early story, it ddidn´t mean it doesn´t exist.
Also you can scale previous ones, as long there is a chain that can be followed that can be traced. Like Luffy destroying a pacifista who was harder then steel and later he fought against Katakuri who only bleed a bit after those attacks. And that was even using with Koka, which makes Luffy his rubber harder and harder.
Sengoku was respected by Whitebeard and it was shown that the quake ability can keep up with his power. No Island level punch needed, since we have accurate scaling.
But i agree at the point that Moria and Shadow of Asgard Moria are different in terms of stats. Still. Moria was "only" a Samurai, not a emperor, or an Admiral. Also what has Moria his durability too do with that? We didn´t scale Moria his dura, we scale his punch against Luffy. Attack isn´t automatically = durability, even when VsBattle often thinks that is a good idea to scale it with that.
It is accepted by big Wikis, and battle boards who are debating stuff like that all day. Only because you are one of a few who didn´t accept it, it doesn´t mean we have to take your opinion as face value.
Listen, i still respect your opinion and i understand you problem with scaling. You disagree with scaling, i disagree with fancalcs which are even more worse then scaling. Or even more bad if someone uses scaling from those calcs, which is even more worse since we compare facts from fiction with headcanon.
I don´t know if the rules here are different from Battle boards, like scaling isn´t allowed here, then i will shut my mouth.
That´s why Attack Potency exist. Of course Doffy didn´t use it all day, the same like most DB characters didn´t destroy planets. They have the potency for that. You can´t scale all abilities and other powers on that, that should be logical. The same with DC/AP or Striking strength = durability, which doesn´t make sense either.
If he can do that, i don´t see there any problem. What speaks against it? I have to be fair with both sides. Scaling doesn´t only exist for Doflamingo.
You brought up a good point. Rock isn´t impressive, neither is the size. Oc you need more power to destroy a mountain which has more mass then a rock, but in terms of density they should be similar. (But even that is hard to find out, since we don´t know the constitution of it. If the rock has more minerals, or consist/is compressed of different rocks, it is harder then a regular rock. Those are unknown points, and we are going with the lowest possibility. However, a rock isn´t impressive in comparison to steel, or something that surpassed it.
Huh?
Look on his arm, he used CoA.
Heres Luffy's haki attack interacting with steel. This time no explosive Pacifista.
As you can see, all Luffy can do it dent it. Due to not having explosive machinery, he couldnt destroy the shell. Only leave his imprint on it.
As you can see, all Luffy can do it dent it. Due to not having explosive machinery, he couldnt destroy the shell. Only leave his imprint on it.
Narratively Rubber isn´t hard as steel too, and Luffy still trashed a Pacifista. Rubber can´t even destroy a stone, but it still happens. You can´t compare the elements 1:1 with the ones of our world.
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A guy on reddit came with Lightspeed Sanji. I never will forget that wank lol.
I can live with sub-relativistic to relativistic+ One Piece characters and Kizaru with Lightspeed. But Lightspeed Sanji....
I swear the next time i will argue for Foxy, who can use Noroma Photons. Perfect counter for light and lightspeed.
I can live with sub-relativistic to relativistic+ One Piece characters and Kizaru with Lightspeed. But Lightspeed Sanji....
I swear the next time i will argue for Foxy, who can use Noroma Photons. Perfect counter for light and lightspeed.
Luffy pre-time skip when he was injured and depressed from the death of his brother showed physical feats better than most of Hunter x Hunter verse
He could destroy a large portion of the giant plateau just by launching Hody into it
His city level Elephant Gatling was childs play to Katakuri also
Both Luffy and Katakuri could body Meruem easily, he would have an easier time fighting Franky
He could destroy a large portion of the giant plateau just by launching Hody into it
His city level Elephant Gatling was childs play to Katakuri also
Both Luffy and Katakuri could body Meruem easily, he would have an easier time fighting Franky
Netero who is way lower is speed of sound with body movement.
Above that with hand movement.
And his hatsu is even above that.
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Here is a note worthy calc for it.
This scan states that Netero has hit Meruem hundreds of thousands of times since they got into the tomb…
Ok, so this one is tricky, but bare with me. Youpi and Pouf leave to go find the king well after he and Netero have started fighting:
The above scan is right before a reaction shot of Meruem in a crater from Netero’s first attack.
Youpi claims that it would take 15 minutes to get from the battleground back to the palace. This is after he realizes that Meruem has gained his flight ability. Therefore, it would not be much of a stretch to say that it took Pouf and Youpi around 15 minutes to take their trip to reach their king.
However, we see here that after the statement of “Hundreds of thousands of blows”, another minute is spent battling between the two and Youpi and Pouf have not yet arrived. In fact, but the time of the rose nuke going off, they still haven’t reached the battleground.
So we’re down to 14 minutes instead of 15. But I think there’s potentially more to that than one might think. We can use the “mushroom cloud”, in this case, the rose shape, as a reference of time too. You see, mushroom clouds tend to reach their full size in 10 minutes.
So now we’re down to a time frame of 4 minutes, or 240 s.
Yep, we’re back to this one. As a reminder, Meruem is 1.942 m.
137 / 12 = 11.417 * 1.942 = 22.172 m, length of arm.
Seeing as the scan says “Hundreds of thousands”, I can’t imagine this being less than 200,000 strikes, otherwise if it were less, it would have been “Over a hundred thousand” instead.
Now here I assume that one arm extends fully on average to make a hit. I am not including the distance to draw the arm back, because Hyakushiki Kannon has the many arms that can work independently of one another. In other words, it could be making a strike at the exact same time as pulling an arm back, therefore losing no time at all.
22.172 * 200,000 = 4,434,400 m, total distance traveled by puppet arm.
4,434,400 / 240 = 18,476.667 m/s, or Mach 54.34
Just for fun, what about the highest end possible? 999,999 strikes?
22.172 * 999,999 = 22,171,977.828 m, total distance traveled by puppet arm.
22,171,977.828 /240 = 92,383.241 m/s, or Mach 271.72
Source:https://cablescalculations.wordpress.com/category/hunterxhunter-calculations/
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By keeping up with that speed Pre Rose Mereum is:
Low Ball - 54.34
High Ball - Mach 271.72
And Post Rose Mereum several times faster than Pre Rose.
Above that with hand movement.
And his hatsu is even above that.
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Here is a note worthy calc for it.
This scan states that Netero has hit Meruem hundreds of thousands of times since they got into the tomb…
Ok, so this one is tricky, but bare with me. Youpi and Pouf leave to go find the king well after he and Netero have started fighting:
The above scan is right before a reaction shot of Meruem in a crater from Netero’s first attack.
Youpi claims that it would take 15 minutes to get from the battleground back to the palace. This is after he realizes that Meruem has gained his flight ability. Therefore, it would not be much of a stretch to say that it took Pouf and Youpi around 15 minutes to take their trip to reach their king.
However, we see here that after the statement of “Hundreds of thousands of blows”, another minute is spent battling between the two and Youpi and Pouf have not yet arrived. In fact, but the time of the rose nuke going off, they still haven’t reached the battleground.
So we’re down to 14 minutes instead of 15. But I think there’s potentially more to that than one might think. We can use the “mushroom cloud”, in this case, the rose shape, as a reference of time too. You see, mushroom clouds tend to reach their full size in 10 minutes.
So now we’re down to a time frame of 4 minutes, or 240 s.
Yep, we’re back to this one. As a reminder, Meruem is 1.942 m.
137 / 12 = 11.417 * 1.942 = 22.172 m, length of arm.
Seeing as the scan says “Hundreds of thousands”, I can’t imagine this being less than 200,000 strikes, otherwise if it were less, it would have been “Over a hundred thousand” instead.
Now here I assume that one arm extends fully on average to make a hit. I am not including the distance to draw the arm back, because Hyakushiki Kannon has the many arms that can work independently of one another. In other words, it could be making a strike at the exact same time as pulling an arm back, therefore losing no time at all.
22.172 * 200,000 = 4,434,400 m, total distance traveled by puppet arm.
4,434,400 / 240 = 18,476.667 m/s, or Mach 54.34
Just for fun, what about the highest end possible? 999,999 strikes?
22.172 * 999,999 = 22,171,977.828 m, total distance traveled by puppet arm.
22,171,977.828 /240 = 92,383.241 m/s, or Mach 271.72
Source:https://cablescalculations.wordpress.com/category/hunterxhunter-calculations/
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By keeping up with that speed Pre Rose Mereum is:
Low Ball - 54.34
High Ball - Mach 271.72
And Post Rose Mereum several times faster than Pre Rose.
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Body movement is simply movement speed, which is often irrelevant in a fight. You'll rarely find characters with balanced speed on all levels across fiction in general. Sanji can run extremely fast, doesn't help him against a guy like Vergo for instance, attack and reaction speed is what matters above all.
@Chrono you do those calcs yourself ?
@Chrono you do those calcs yourself ?