General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[DavyJones]

I know i'm not seeing people try to debunk logiko with the numerology stuff. As much as I dog Logiko for his system at least they are objectively real portions of character design and storytelling. I think he says a whole lot of nothing most of the time, but the number stuff is practically schizo theories.

The only reason I don't make fun of numerologists is because of Oda's extremely suspicious reply, which I feel more him finding it wild a reader made such a connection. But objectively speaking its as much tea leaf reading as Logikos arguments.

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Has oda ever actually confirmed that number theory or do people just treat it like it's canon?

No confirmation, but Oda did his usual whimiscal silly reply to the number theory. I don't consider it a tell because he made similar comments about Sanji's eyebrows and Moms being stronger than Kaido.

 

[Woozles]

Also would be weird if Bonney is Ginny. Not cause I'm against the clone idea, but because she doesn't look like Ginny, which is uncommon for a oda kid design

Bonney and kid bonney that oda drew have straight hair. Ginny has a very unique hair style complete with ahoge and Ginny has freckles.

 

[Vivi4Nakama]

this is my bet on this, Vivi would eat the nikyu-nikyu no mi model sea cat. if im not mistaken, oda plan one piece to end one arc after skypia, that mean the original robin doesnt needed cause no history pg puzzle need be to solve, and vivi supposed to join and as final nakama, but since one piece become so polular he stretch it and put vivi on hold and use robin as a substitute and plot device, that the reason why he put emphasis on vivi goodbye and promise to meet again. she is a final member specialy made for the end of one piece.
what her role and power you ask?
healer. why? cause its easier to take someone pain away then use regular medicine and operation and wait for them to heal naturally. not to mention we gonna have big war arc. and fast recovery will be nearly impossible.

remember she doesnt wanna see people her care about or her friend get hurt? yup healer.

and what her Shining nakama action? heal robin, as a sign she forgive and reconsiled with her.

wait what about chopper?
chopper want to make a medicine that can heal anything no? thats not a doctor job that chemist job ,remember…

oda fuse draft ussop and that klabautermann to be shipwright at first in case of one piece only going for short time, and then separated it again and fuse klabautermann and that alchemist guy who look like pre cyborg franky.

now chopper are reaponsible to be chemist and doctor in the crew, and i believe oda gonna separated it again to be chemist chopper and healer vivi.

so now our beloved chopper can go back to berserker on drugs like he used to be

yeah this is the hill im die on.

 

[Woozles]

Sayin Vivi is going to take chopper's doctor role of all things.

That's gotta be a top 5 delusion. Aint never seen something so unreal.

 

[HurricaneBilly]

Sayin Vivi is going to take chopper's doctor role of all things.

That's gotta be a top 5 delusion. Aint never seen something so unreal.

Agreed. Vivi won't be replacing Chopper as the ship's doctor, even if she does eat the Nikyu Nikyu no Mi and rejoin the SHs. Though admittedly I wouldn't be surprised if she were to sometimes support the rest of the crew by using her new DF powers to heal their wounds as needed.

Realistically, Vivi would probably be the ship's Diplomat.

 

[Vivi4Nakama]

Sayin Vivi is going to take chopper's doctor role of all things.

That's gotta be a top 5 delusion. Aint never seen something so unreal.

well atleast now you seen one~

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Agreed. Vivi won't be replacing Chopper as the ship's doctor, even if she does eat the Nikyu Nikyu no Mi and rejoin the SHs. Though admittedly I wouldn't be surprised if she were to sometimes support the rest of the crew by using her new DF powers to heal their wounds as needed.

Realistically, Vivi would probably be the ship's Diplomat.

feel free to debunk my theory

 

[Warback]

Those are called puns. What I deny is the foreshadowing the fan are thinking Oda is doing with numbers. I deny it simply because there is no clear evidences of that.



What is the pun here ?



Simple coincidence



Its not better than my system, its worse in everyway, it doesn't predict a thing. Why ? Because this is a complotist mindset based system that that is not retroactive and is not used in prediction but in case of coincidental results. In other words it is proven right only when it aligns with a bias prediction system AFTER the release.

Ex. Saying 804 was the introduction of Carrot therefore 1104 will be the reintroduction of Carrot is just pure bullshiting and nothing here is based on actual logical reasonning and relevant data.



When you search, you find. Basic logical mistake
That's a the same mindset complotists have.

All of this is completely irrelevant.

I literally just told you it works to predict luffys bounty and you ignored it lol

 

[ShiShiShi]

chopper want to make a medicine that can heal anything no? thats not a doctor job that chemist job ,remember…

He learned everything he knows about medicine from Dr. Kureha. He’s a doctor.

Oda isn’t going to replace/change a Straw Hat’s role just to have someone else join. That’s not how it works.

I don’t think she even has any medical knowledge. Kaya would make more sense here.

 

[Sigran101]

@Paperchampion23 is really convincing me about Kuma. The ship guard role is perfect, it's been an established role since east blue and he literally guarded their ship for 2 years. He has a VERY strongly established dream. Huge connection to Luffy through Nika, which gives him plenty of motivation to join his crew. Currently in the middle of his tragic childhood flashback while Luffy prepares to fight his personal villain. On his way to Egghead now. His devil fruit even fits the number theory, which I don't really care about, but it's icing on the cake. Ya'll say what you want about death flags (Jinbei anyone?) But Kuma currently has WAY more going for him than any other candidate.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...and-we-know-the-next-user.49892/#post-4877421

Its over, Vivi is back

You've betrayed Stussy?

 

[DavyJones]

@Paperchampion23 is really convincing me about Kuma. The ship guard role is perfect, it's been an established role since east blue and he literally guarded their ship for 2 years. He has a VERY strongly established dream. Huge connection to Luffy through Nika, which gives him plenty of motivation to join his crew. Currently in the middle of his tragic childhood flashback while Luffy prepares to fight his personal villain. On his way to Egghead now. His devil fruit even fits the number theory, which I don't really care about, but it's icing on the cake. Ya'll say what you want about death flags (Jinbei anyone?) But Kuma currently has WAY more going for him than any other candidate.

The deathflags are the only reason I didn't join the Kuma train unironically. Him being allowed to resume guard duty after the time-skip makes sense, and with him on the ship Franky and Chopper can try to fix him.

But I just expect him to die instead of joining, as happy as I would be to see him on the ship.

 

[Sigran101]

The deathflags are the only reason I didn't join the Kuma train unironically. Him being allowed to resume guard duty after the time-skip makes sense, and with him on the ship Franky and Chopper can try to fix him.

But I just expect him to die instead of joining, as happy as I would be to see him on the ship.

I just don't accept "death flags" as a legitimate counter argument after Jinbei. I think we all know deep down that Oda doesn't have the balls to kill off Kuma.

 

[DavyJones]

I just don't accept "death flags" as a legitimate counter argument after Jinbei. I think we all know deep down that Oda doesn't have the balls to kill off Kuma.

Kuma's deathflags are on a different level than Jinbei's though, I'm sure you can agree.

But you are right that Oda probably doesn't have the balls to kill Kuma off... but I have faith that dark piece stays for a little longer. Many doubted he'd kill off Ace, and this close to the end of the series I'm expecting us to see another death on that level of narrative impact.

 

[Vivi4Nakama]

He learned everything he knows about medicine from Dr. Kureha. He’s a doctor.

Oda isn’t going to replace/change a Straw Hat’s role just to have someone else join. That’s not how it works.

I don’t think she even has any medical knowledge. Kaya would make more sense here.

i mean ussop used to be a go-to guys for repairing ship and get title as sniper only after franky came he start slowly abbandoning his use of hammer as a one of his signature weapon.
but maybe i word it wrongly , chopper still be a doctor after a battle end, but she like a quickfix, painkiller or spray aid for injured football player mid game, and i dont think you need medical knowledge to just push the pain away?

 

[RobinsFeet]

Vivi is so boring

 

[Sigran101]

Kuma's deathflags are on a different level than Jinbei's though, I'm sure you can agree.

But you are right that Oda probably doesn't have the balls to kill Kuma off... but I have faith that dark piece stays for a little longer. Many doubted he'd kill off Ace, and this close to the end of the series I'm expecting us to see another death on that level of narrative impact.

Not at all. We had Jinbei stay behind and Luffy is like "we'll definitely meet again in wano" and then he doesn't show up and they're like "Jinbei will definitely be here!". Nothing in particular is pointing to Kuma dying, people just seem to think it makes sense.

 

[DavyJones]

Not at all. We had Jinbei stay behind and Luffy is like "we'll definitely meet again in wano" and then he doesn't show up and they're like "Jinbei will definitely be here!". Nothing in particular is pointing to Kuma dying, people just seem to think it makes sense.

Kuma has lost everything he had sans bonney, already escaped a narrow death from Saturn before, is having a long extended sad backstory rn, claimed to be a shell on some unknowable mission, multiple characters are set up for death and without one it will probably deflate the WGs menace. Theres a bunch of smaller stuff thats kind of reaching, but Jinbei being late to Wano wasn't a death flag.

Though I do know a lot of people took it as fact and changed the narrative at the time. Jinbei dying would have destroyed a lot of the set up his arc was about and he promised he would meet back up with them in Wano. Oda just teased the readers for a bit with the possibility for tension and that lasted for only a short time. Though not going to lie, I considered him a crew member ever since FI when he was given the all clear and had to put in his resignation.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Vivi is so boring

Vivi4nakama

 

[Sigran101]

Kuma has lost everything he had sans bonney, already escaped a narrow death from Saturn before, is having a long extended sad backstory rn, claimed to be a shell on some unknowable mission, multiple characters are set up for death and without one it will probably deflate the WGs menace. Theres a bunch of smaller stuff thats kind of reaching, but Jinbei being late to Wano wasn't a death flag.

Though I do know a lot of people took it as fact and changed the narrative at the time. Jinbei dying would have destroyed a lot of the set up his arc was about and he promised he would meet back up with them in Wano. Oda just teased the readers for a bit with the possibility for tension and that lasted for only a short time. Though not going to lie, I considered him a crew member ever since FI when he was given the all clear and had to put in his resignation.

Losing everything except his daughter doesn't mean he'll die, especially now that Nika, the one his father promised him would take him out to sea, is finally here. Escaping death before isn't any kind of death flag. Having his tragic flashback actually points to him surviving and achieving his dream. The only one I get is the idea that he's some kind of shell of his former self, but with an author like Oda, I think it's much more likely that that leads to having his memories restored rather than sacrificing himself.

 

[DavyJones]

Losing everything except his daughter doesn't mean he'll die, especially now that Nika, the one his father promised him would take him out to sea, is finally here. Escaping death before isn't any kind of death flag. Having his tragic flashback actually points to him surviving and achieving his dream. The only one I get is the idea that he's some kind of shell of his former self, but with an author like Oda, I think it's much more likely that that leads to having his memories restored rather than sacrificing himself.

Well those are common things I see used to set up or foreshadow deaths. They might just be coincidental up until now. Though I'd be excited to have Kuma, personally I see deaths hand on his shoulder.