Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

I never omitted anything. In fact, I literally made a comment about it yesterday. Hamas committed terrorism. Their supporters want a genocide. Israel has committed warcrimes. Their government are endorsing genocide.

Both are batshit insane.

Actually, Israel is also commiting acts of terrorism.

Bombing a population in the clear goal that the population will either leave or turn against hamas is called terrorism.

Furthermore, there is a dehumanization process and a blind bombing process meant to clearly eradicate a population, this is called genocide.

AND there is a clear will of moving an entire population and eradicate it from a territory. This is called ethnical cleansing.

So yes Israel is guilty of many.. MANY war crimes.. but this cryptofascist state is also guilty of:

- Terrorism
- Ethnical cleansing
- Genocide

Add that to:

- Oppression of a population
- Control of a population against its will
- Locking of a population
- Colonization

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

I never omitted anything. In fact, I literally made a comment about it yesterday. Hamas committed terrorism. Their supporters want a genocide. Israel has committed warcrimes. Their government are endorsing genocide.

Both are batshit insane.

Yeah but you describe them like they are two nations at war.
This is more like a giant squeezing a kid and complaining when the kid throw him rocks.
Israel is the most technologically advanced country after the US, specially in Military.
Have created an apartheid state, cementified water sources, shot civilians, and all the stuff i mentioned already and that you didn't comment about it.
Of course you did not.
For 60 years they have created a violent, racist occupation.
And now you are very democratic in "both are at fault".
Dante used to put people that refuse to take position in hell, and he did it rightfully.
Because there are different levels of responsibility, and i will never say that the bully and the one that fight the bully are both ar fault.

 

[Logiko]

Yeah but you describe them like they are two nations at war.
This is more like a giant squeezing a kid and complaining when the kid throw him rocks.
Israel is the most technologically advanced country after the US, specially in Military.
Have created an apartheid state, cementified water sources, shot civilians, and all the stuff i mentioned already and that you didn't comment about it.
Of course you did not.
For 60 years they have created a violent, racist occupation.
And now you are very democratic in "both are at fault".
Dante used to put people that refuse to take position in hell, and he did it rightfully.
Because there are different levels of responsibility, and i will never say that the bully and the one that fight the bully are both ar fault.

The concept of "Both" is very liberal and neoliberal in its origin. Its the sociological deny of the notions of power and domination.

We have this problem in feminism, we call them the "profem" its the guys who because they have understood that the patriarcat is also detrimental to them will say "both women and men are oppressed under patriarchy." When the reality is that men are actually benifiting from the oppression of women.

This is the deny that there is someone in power and someone under the pression of this power.

Here, its the deny that Palestinian don't have the same power as IDF.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

The concept of "Both" is very liberal and neoliberal in its origin. Its the sociological deny of the notions of power and domination.

We have this problem in feminism, we call them the "profem" its the guys who because they have understood that the patriarcat is also detrimental to them will say "both women and men are oppressed under patriarchy." When the reality is that men are actually benifiting from the oppression of women.

This is the deny that there is someone in power and someone under the pression of this power.

Here, its the deny that Palestinian don't have the same power as IDF.

I don't care, don't derail the topic wifh your lgbt stuff because i don't care.
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/the-woke-space.47372/
Write it in your containment thread

 

[Logiko]

I don't care, don't derail the topic wifh your lgbt stuff because i don't care.
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/the-woke-space.47372/
Write it in your containment thread

I don't care that you don't care.

This is a political thread. And political values are deeply linked between each other. Don't understanding that is being ignorant at best.

So here. I'm adding value to the fact that the deny of power domination is something that is highly related to the rightists and the liberal so called "centrists."

 

[Okamakama]

I don't care that you don't care.

This is a political thread. And political values are deeply linked between each other. Don't understanding that is being ignorant at best.

So here. I'm adding value to the fact that the deny of power domination is something that is highly related to the rightists and the liberal so called "centrists."

Breh, fight da power.

Seriously though. It's not anything besides having a nuanced take rather than demonizing one side to suit personal agendas. How do people not realise that both sides are at fault here?

And yes. I do believe that.

Ultimately, it does take two to tango.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Breh, fight da power.

Seriously though. It's not anything besides having a nuanced take rather than demonizing one side to suit personal agendas. How do people not realise that both sides are at fault here?

And yes. I do believe that.

Ultimately, it does take two to tango.

You are disgusting.
Vietnam USA, takes two to tango?
Armenia Turkey, takes two to tango?
Natives in America and USA, takes two to tango?
Incas, Mayans, Aztecs vs Spanish, takes two to tango?

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I think it’s fucking disgusting how the ADL weaponizes antisemitism to support israel.

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/...zionist-language-left-and-right-vilifies-jews

If you read this article, you will notice how on numerous occasions you have sensible pro Palestinian arguments being shown alongside quotes from literal neo nazis as examples of antisemitism.

 

[Okamakama]

You are disgusting.
Vietnam USA, takes two to tango?
Armenia Turkey, takes two to tango?
Natives in America and USA, takes two to tango?
Incas, Mayans, Aztecs vs Spanish, takes two to tango?

I care not for your opinion of me. If I did care about people's opinions above anything else I'd be a leftist.
I think the constant 'black' and 'white' view of people these days is appalling.
NOT every conflict is two to tango, and to try and twist my words to make it seem that way is indicative of your character. However, given Palastine/Hamas' response, it is that way. There are ways to deescalate, but neither want it. I sincerely do not believe that Palestine is a peaceful nation that is just constantly bullied by big bad Israel. They're certainly the victims, but that does not make them 100% innocent. Conflict has two sides. Stop making it 'good vs evil'. Fucking hell.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

the first meme is obvioisly true but we all know why you are sharing it

 

[Logiko]

Breh, fight da power.

Its not about fighting the power (it is) its about understanding the balances of domination.

How do people not realise that both sides are at fault here?

And you are doing it again. No one is saying that hamas are the good guys, some of those guy have done horrible things and the radicalized structure of Hamas shall be brought to justice BUT what you are doing here is putting Hamas/palestinian and IDF back to back.

Its not a "they are both at fault" here. Its "One did horrible things out of anger and radicalization and the other has done horrific things for decades and decades out of pure far right and cryptofascist ideology".

Its not this:

Its THIS:

Ultimately, it does take two to tango.

No it doesn't. That's the mindset of a bully. Do you think the jews are a "bit" responsible for the Shoa ???

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

I care not for your opinion of me. If I did care about people's opinions above anything else I'd be a leftist.
I think the constant 'black' and 'white' view of people these days is appalling.
NOT every conflict is two to tango, and to try and twist my words to make it seem that way is indicative of your character. However, given Palastine/Hamas' response, it is that way. There are ways to deescalate, but neither want it. I sincerely do not believe that Palestine is a peaceful nation that is just constantly bullied by big bad Israel. They're certainly the victims, but that does not make them 100% innocent. Conflict has two sides. Stop making it 'good vs evil'. Fucking hell.

Ahahaha.
Two sides. You are just willingly ignorant.
You have not addressed any of the causes of Hamas existancd i the first place, but it's probably because you cannot really grasp it because you have a limited understand of reality, what we could refer as an useful idiot.
Hopefully you'll realise one day that you were saying that genocide perpetrators and the one defending againdt it are not equal.
But i doubt it.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Ultimately, it does take two to tango.

shit take
omg and what a shit take it is

 

[Monkey D Theories]

The worst of these quotes was that they defamed this was was this:

“By putting tribal allegiance to Israel over fundamental commitment to universal human rights, however, Zionist Jewish organizations in the US and the West in general consciously abet in propagating the racist, indeed anti-Semitic, myth that Israel speaks on behalf of the entire world Jewry and that it is entitled to do so. Reducing Jews to a monolithic group that thinks alike and that is automatically expected to ignore suffering by other humans when the oppressors are themselves Jewish is not only anti-semitic [sic]; it is categorically false and deceptive.”

• Omar Barghouti (co-founder of Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions Movement), August 2011

This statement is 100% true yet they list it as antisemitism and show it alongside neo nazi quotes.

These fuckers are literally pushing this agenda on the backs of real Jewish suffering from antisemitism and it honestly infuriated me.

Yes, turning a blind eye to a country’s war crimes because they are the same ethnicity/religion as you is the definition of tribalism.

its true when Turks deny the Armenian genocide, or when Russians support the war in Ukraine.

But no the ADL feels the need to hold Jews to a completely different standard.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

you miss a lot of historical info, context, and facts that led up to the nakba

Like?

 

[Logiko]

yeah I didn't know that
@Logiko "take your meds" wasn't personally at you or your condition, sorry if you felt that way.

Its ok but please. get that freaking flag out of Luffy's hand. Luffy is fighting against oppression. You are making him doing the exact opposite here. That's a shame for a One Piece fan.

 

[Okamakama]

Ahahaha.
Two sides. You are just willingly ignorant.
You have not addressed any of the causes of Hamas existancd i the first place, but it's probably because you cannot really grasp it because you have a limited understand of reality, what we could refer as an useful idiot.
Hopefully you'll realise one day that you were saying that genocide perpetrators and the one defending againdt it are not equal.
But i doubt it.

Given that you're literally just parroting the view points of other people, I feel disinclined to engage in that topic, but sure. The funding of Hamas is irrelevant. Ultimately it's not like they are plants. These people were not just placed there by Israel for a false flag. They held these radical views. They desired blood and violence. They are responsible for their actions. If anything, it is indicative of the culture in the area and what a Palestinian group will do if they have a little tiny bit of power. They'll attack.

I have acknowledged that the IDF is committing evil acts upon Palestine.
I also believe that Palestine would commit evil acts of Israel if they had any sort of power.

Welcome to the world of religious zealotry.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Psychophobia now ?

Stop making up words

 

[Logiko]

Stop making up words

Educate yourself about this

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Given that you're literally just parroting the view points of other people, I feel disinclined to engage in that topic, but sure. The funding of Hamas is irrelevant. Ultimately it's not like they are plants. These people were not just placed there by Israel for a false flag. They held these radical views. They desired blood and violence. They are responsible for their actions. If anything, it is indicative of the culture in the area and what a Palestinian group will do if they have a little tiny bit of power. They'll attack.

I have acknowledged that the IDF is committing evil acts upon Palestine.
I also believe that Palestine would commit evil acts of Israel if they had any sort of power.

Welcome to the world of religious zealotry.

Not worth engaging in coversation with retards like you.
Go chase foreigner because they steal UK culture mate, you'll have better luck with that.