Character Discussion Why does Imu-sama, the supposed final villain of One Piece, seem like crap so far?!
Meito's do seem like they can be literally any melee weapon and there's clear evidence pointing towards that, but lets be honest, we've only seen twelve of the at least eighty five Meito in the series and given that swords are by far the most common weapon, is it really surprising that we've pretty much only seen swords so far? I mean spears are factually qualified but we've yet to see a single one for example.
Furthermore, in the Meito page it lists Yamato's club grade as "unknown" which implies it has a grade, but even so, it's a club, why would it be "unknown" if it couldn't even be graded anyway?
Don't include them in a page of Meito if they can never be considered as such lol?
To be fair we've only seen three of the twelve, and obviously Oda wouldn't waste such rare and hyped swords on fodder, he'll only give them to the strongest characters, this doesn't mean they require insane strength though, Wado is only a single grade lower but was wielded by kid Zoro and Kuina without any problems and funnily enough it's the exact same grade as Enma, weird how one can be used by a child who can't use haki but the other supposedly requires very high levels of haki, I wonder if it has anything to do with Enma's unique trait.
I can, simply because Enma has the unique property of draining it's users haki, if that person is a fodder, they're going to die, but that doesn't apply to other swords.
But in the same databooks itself, there is an emphasis on the strength of a weapon's wielder when talking about a weapon.
Or the scan of Kaidou's & Law's weapons that you posted.
To no one's surprise, only the strongest characters have Supreme Grade Blades.
The Shodai is not only a Saijo, it is also a confirmed Cursed Blade/Unruly Blade.
To no one's surprise, only the strongest characters have Supreme Grade Blades.
The Shodai is not only a Saijo, it is also a confirmed Cursed Blade/Unruly Blade.
I can, simply because Enma has the unique property of draining it's users haki, if that person is a fodder, they're going to die, but that doesn't apply to other swords.
Meito's do seem like they can be literally any melee weapon and there's clear evidence pointing towards that, but lets be honest, we've only seen twelve of the at least eighty five Meito in the series and given that swords are by far the most common weapon, is it really surprising that we've pretty much only seen swords so far? I mean spears are factually qualified but we've yet to see a single one for example.
Furthermore, in the Meito page it lists Yamato's club grade as "unknown" which implies it has a grade, but even so, it's a club, why would it be "unknown" if it couldn't even be graded anyway?
Don't include them in a page of Meito if they can never be considered as such lol?
To be fair we've only seen three of the twelve, and obviously Oda wouldn't waste such rare and hyped swords on fodder, he'll only give them to the strongest characters, this doesn't mean they require insane strength though, Wado is only a single grade lower but was wielded by kid Zoro and Kuina without any problems and funnily enough it's the exact same grade as Enma, weird how one can be used by a child who can't use haki but the other supposedly requires very high levels of haki, I wonder if it has anything to do with Enma's unique trait.
I can, simply because Enma has the unique property of draining it's users haki, if that person is a fodder, they're going to die, but that doesn't apply to other swords.
Don't include them in a page of Meito if they can never be considered as such lol?
To be fair we've only seen three of the twelve, and obviously Oda wouldn't waste such rare and hyped swords on fodder, he'll only give them to the strongest characters, this doesn't mean they require insane strength though, Wado is only a single grade lower but was wielded by kid Zoro and Kuina without any problems and funnily enough it's the exact same grade as Enma, weird how one can be used by a child who can't use haki but the other supposedly requires very high levels of haki, I wonder if it has anything to do with Enma's unique trait.
I can, simply because Enma has the unique property of draining it's users haki, if that person is a fodder, they're going to die, but that doesn't apply to other swords.
Enma only does that because its got used to prime odens haki.
Enma wasn't stealing 8 year old odens haki like this or he would be dead.
This post is so stupid.
1) Imu hasn't shown himself to omniscient because he hasn't shown himself to be anything. He hasn't even had his design shown. He is still a friggin silhouette. This is like immediately saying Kaido is a rubbish character based solely on his Pre-TS silhouette back at Enies Lobby and his low quality feat of beating Moriah, the weakest Pre-TS Warlord. Just wait for the dude to actually do something. Lel.
2) Why in absolute tomfoolery would Kaido be omniscient? Why would he ever need that as a power? Why would he need that as a character? What purpose would it serve his character or his role in the story? Would it even compliment his character design?
3) Stories don't exist to be compared to other stories in a power scaling competition. They exist to, surprise surprise, tell a self contained story. Oda shouldn't put a galaxy buster or a omnipotent reality warper in his story for "just because" reasons. If the story doesn't need those things or worse, it wouldn't make sense to have those things in the story then Oda should absolutely not artificially or arbitrarily put such things in his story for the sole purpose of wanting to see Luffy win a poll against Goku in a multiverse vs forum discussion page. That is absolutely retarded.
1) Imu hasn't shown himself to omniscient because he hasn't shown himself to be anything. He hasn't even had his design shown. He is still a friggin silhouette. This is like immediately saying Kaido is a rubbish character based solely on his Pre-TS silhouette back at Enies Lobby and his low quality feat of beating Moriah, the weakest Pre-TS Warlord. Just wait for the dude to actually do something. Lel.
2) Why in absolute tomfoolery would Kaido be omniscient? Why would he ever need that as a power? Why would he need that as a character? What purpose would it serve his character or his role in the story? Would it even compliment his character design?
3) Stories don't exist to be compared to other stories in a power scaling competition. They exist to, surprise surprise, tell a self contained story. Oda shouldn't put a galaxy buster or a omnipotent reality warper in his story for "just because" reasons. If the story doesn't need those things or worse, it wouldn't make sense to have those things in the story then Oda should absolutely not artificially or arbitrarily put such things in his story for the sole purpose of wanting to see Luffy win a poll against Goku in a multiverse vs forum discussion page. That is absolutely retarded.
Translation: "Oh crap! I haven't got a reply worth shit!! Uhhh....... Ahhhh..... Uhmmm.... I got it! I'll attempt an incredibly low quality, generic one liner response that'd make even a neck bearded Reddit moderator cringe! That'll show him!!"
Stay mad that Oda is more interested in telling a story over wanking Kaido above characters like Goku on your behalf in multiverse vs matchups.
Stay mad that Oda is more interested in telling a story over wanking Kaido above characters like Goku on your behalf in multiverse vs matchups.
See, the way i see it - Meito (名刀) is inherently just "Famed Blades", and it isn't even a thing that Oda made up - but rather the entire Grade classification exists in reality & Oda created one in his world inspired by it. The term itself literally has the Kanji for "Blade/Sword" (刀) in it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wazamono
Even the numbers of different grades are literally the same - it's a 1 to 1 inspiration from the real life system.
We already have a Naginata & Trident being part of the Meito system, so Spears would ofcourse exist - Oda just hasn't created any Lance based characters yet. These all by definition qualify because they are all bladed weapons.
A club does not qualify here and for me, simply because a databook material addressed all other weapons in the same page doesn't make a really convincing argument. We've seen so many swords shown & being referred to as Meito in the manga for example, if one such scene exists or comes up in the future for a Club/Non-Blade weapon; then i guess this becomes debatable.
Indeed, I would say that's because Wado isn't a "Cursed Blade" or a Blade with an unruly disposition like Enma or the Kitetsu trio.
I don't think every Supreme Grade blade is a "Cursed Blade" either, so this logic will apply there too.
The point I'm making is while comparing about Enma & Shodai Kitetsu alone; both are Cursed Blades (so by definition, blades which the weak fear due to them being lacking) & the Shodai is regarded as even superior than Enma.
Even if it doesn't have a straight up requirement with flowing Haki like Enma does - I would still expect it to have some form of requirement for it's wielder.
Venus need not use a KoH-esque state like Zoro or Oden, but he would still have to fulfill some requirement related to strength, to tame the blade. And i consider that requirement to be a harder test than whatever Enma poses - because the Shodai is an even superior blade to Enma.
Yea, Enma is a unique blade with a unique test of strength.
That need not apply to Shodai.
The test that it poses to it's wielder would be superior though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wazamono
Even the numbers of different grades are literally the same - it's a 1 to 1 inspiration from the real life system.
We already have a Naginata & Trident being part of the Meito system, so Spears would ofcourse exist - Oda just hasn't created any Lance based characters yet. These all by definition qualify because they are all bladed weapons.
A club does not qualify here and for me, simply because a databook material addressed all other weapons in the same page doesn't make a really convincing argument. We've seen so many swords shown & being referred to as Meito in the manga for example, if one such scene exists or comes up in the future for a Club/Non-Blade weapon; then i guess this becomes debatable.
Indeed, I would say that's because Wado isn't a "Cursed Blade" or a Blade with an unruly disposition like Enma or the Kitetsu trio.
I don't think every Supreme Grade blade is a "Cursed Blade" either, so this logic will apply there too.
The point I'm making is while comparing about Enma & Shodai Kitetsu alone; both are Cursed Blades (so by definition, blades which the weak fear due to them being lacking) & the Shodai is regarded as even superior than Enma.
Even if it doesn't have a straight up requirement with flowing Haki like Enma does - I would still expect it to have some form of requirement for it's wielder.
Venus need not use a KoH-esque state like Zoro or Oden, but he would still have to fulfill some requirement related to strength, to tame the blade. And i consider that requirement to be a harder test than whatever Enma poses - because the Shodai is an even superior blade to Enma.
Yea, Enma is a unique blade with a unique test of strength.
That need not apply to Shodai.
The test that it poses to it's wielder would be superior though.
I only see 4 Top Tiers there... Dragon, EoS Sabo, EoS Zoro & then the inseparable (Kidd/Law) tag team. 
Jk, narratively Dragon & Sabo both being there is redundant - one representative from the revolutionaries is enough tbh, which would be Dragon imo (the Wyper equivalent).
Zoro is another guarantee, but other than that i'm not sure tbh.
Jk, narratively Dragon & Sabo both being there is redundant - one representative from the revolutionaries is enough tbh, which would be Dragon imo (the Wyper equivalent).
Zoro is another guarantee, but other than that i'm not sure tbh.
名刀 predominantly means "Famed Swords", hence why Viz uses that.
Sure you can maybe rationalize it a bit and translate it as blade because Whitebeard's weapon isn't a sword, but if anything that would just prove that Oda is nowhere near as pedantic and simply considers any weapons he wishes as being potential Meito, and to add to that, I would hardly consider a lance to be a bladed weapon, it has a sharp point, if you consider that a bladed weapon you may as well consider Kaido's club as one given it has pointed spikes on it lmfao.
Also, if we're saying the real life Wazamono are a 1-1 to One Piece's Meito, well, the real life Wazamono are entirely and specifically comprised of swords, no polearms, daggers, tridents or whatever at all, so again, it shows that Oda simply doesn't care to be so hyper specific and simply does whatever he wants to.
You glossed over the Yamato bit, it's not so much her being included in the page, it's the fact her club is listed in the unknown category instead of the ungraded category, it greatly implies that her club has a grade as well as acknowledging the fact that clubs aren't impossible to have a grade, otherwise they'd automatically be placed in the ungraded section.
Also acting like it's mere databook material is downplaying it a bit, it's so official even that it literally replaced the weekly release of the manga for an entire month after 1053, that goes quite a bit beyond just another databook.
Enma is never confirmed to be a cursed blade, in fact Sukiyaki clearly highlights a distinction between them.
Again, Enma is never confirmed to be a cursed blade.
The Shodai is regarded as being superior to Enma in rank and quality, not requirement.
And I consider this absolute headcanon, we've never seen any other sword in the history of the manga have a power requirement other than Enma, being a higher grade doesn't automatically make it so.
Enma is the only blade in the manga to have any form of power test, we've seen blades of the same rank with absolutely no test (Wado), and as I mentioned, Enma isn't confirmed to be a cursed blade so in that respect Wado is no different.
Even if true this just means kid Oden >= Pre-ACoC Zoro
Also, if we're saying the real life Wazamono are a 1-1 to One Piece's Meito, well, the real life Wazamono are entirely and specifically comprised of swords, no polearms, daggers, tridents or whatever at all, so again, it shows that Oda simply doesn't care to be so hyper specific and simply does whatever he wants to.
You glossed over the Yamato bit, it's not so much her being included in the page, it's the fact her club is listed in the unknown category instead of the ungraded category, it greatly implies that her club has a grade as well as acknowledging the fact that clubs aren't impossible to have a grade, otherwise they'd automatically be placed in the ungraded section.
Also acting like it's mere databook material is downplaying it a bit, it's so official even that it literally replaced the weekly release of the manga for an entire month after 1053, that goes quite a bit beyond just another databook.
Enma is never confirmed to be a cursed blade, in fact Sukiyaki clearly highlights a distinction between them.
Again, Enma is never confirmed to be a cursed blade.
The Shodai is regarded as being superior to Enma in rank and quality, not requirement.
And I consider this absolute headcanon, we've never seen any other sword in the history of the manga have a power requirement other than Enma, being a higher grade doesn't automatically make it so.
Enma is the only blade in the manga to have any form of power test, we've seen blades of the same rank with absolutely no test (Wado), and as I mentioned, Enma isn't confirmed to be a cursed blade so in that respect Wado is no different.
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Even if true this just means kid Oden >= Pre-ACoC Zoro
I only see 4 Top Tiers there... Dragon, EoS Sabo, EoS Zoro & then the inseparable (Kidd/Law) tag team.
Jk, narratively Dragon & Sabo both being there is redundant - one representative from the revolutionaries is enough tbh, which would be Dragon imo (the Wyper equivalent).
Zoro is another guarantee, but other than that i'm not sure tbh.
Jk, narratively Dragon & Sabo both being there is redundant - one representative from the revolutionaries is enough tbh, which would be Dragon imo (the Wyper equivalent).
Zoro is another guarantee, but other than that i'm not sure tbh.
It has a blade in it no? Mainly because Oda considers a Trident like Mogura as a Meito too, which is why Spear being there makes sense too.
Let's be real, the spikes on Kaidou's club have been nothing but aesthetics tbh. It's treated as blunt damage by Oda and Kaidou clearly isn't smashing skulls in with it.
Probably you do have a point.
I agree that everything changes if Yamato's weapon gets a grade. But as far as we know, it can still be ungraded, no?
The list of "Unknown Grades" also contain weapons like Hawkins Straw Sword, Brook's Soul Solid, Franky's Franken sword & Big Mom's Napoleon.
It had even more entries, which are quite frankly absurd like - T Bone's broken sword, Bastille's sword which was shattered, Kuro's claws, Don Krieg's Spear (a Spear entry), heck even Johnny & Yosaku's swords.
Ofcourse these aren't Meito's, so i guess the Yamato argument falls apart too.
I'm not dis-crediting the source, it's 100% canon.
But just because some weapons were mentioned in the page along with Meito's doesn't mean they are Meito's.
If I remember correctly, he says something of the likes that "Enma too works very much like a Cursed Blade" & not this.
From it's own maker:
And he considers Enma to be his best ever work, a Sword that has a very high requirement for it's wielder.
Does the sword have a serious disposition/temperament? Yes.
Do people fear wielding the sword? Yes.
Did the sword test/choose it's wielder? Yes.
Were people able to tame it? Yes.
It is no coincidence that Cursed Blades lore were explained when Zoro was in the process of taming Enma, 1033 for Enma was what the Loguetown scene was for Sandai Kitetsu.
A superior ranked Cursed Blade will have an even superior requirement to fulfill, that's just simple logic.
Enma had a harder requirement than Sandai for example.
Refer the Kozaburo exposition about Swords, their Dispositions & what it means to be a Swordsman.
Let's be real, the spikes on Kaidou's club have been nothing but aesthetics tbh. It's treated as blunt damage by Oda and Kaidou clearly isn't smashing skulls in with it.
Probably you do have a point.
I agree that everything changes if Yamato's weapon gets a grade. But as far as we know, it can still be ungraded, no?
The list of "Unknown Grades" also contain weapons like Hawkins Straw Sword, Brook's Soul Solid, Franky's Franken sword & Big Mom's Napoleon.
It had even more entries, which are quite frankly absurd like - T Bone's broken sword, Bastille's sword which was shattered, Kuro's claws, Don Krieg's Spear (a Spear entry), heck even Johnny & Yosaku's swords.
Ofcourse these aren't Meito's, so i guess the Yamato argument falls apart too.
I'm not dis-crediting the source, it's 100% canon.
But just because some weapons were mentioned in the page along with Meito's doesn't mean they are Meito's.
If I remember correctly, he says something of the likes that "Enma too works very much like a Cursed Blade" & not this.
From it's own maker:
And he considers Enma to be his best ever work, a Sword that has a very high requirement for it's wielder.
Does the sword have a serious disposition/temperament? Yes.
Do people fear wielding the sword? Yes.
Did the sword test/choose it's wielder? Yes.
Were people able to tame it? Yes.
It is no coincidence that Cursed Blades lore were explained when Zoro was in the process of taming Enma, 1033 for Enma was what the Loguetown scene was for Sandai Kitetsu.
A superior ranked Cursed Blade will have an even superior requirement to fulfill, that's just simple logic.
Enma had a harder requirement than Sandai for example.
Refer the Kozaburo exposition about Swords, their Dispositions & what it means to be a Swordsman.
Dude, One Piece is not that verse. No one in One Piece is ever going to compete with Krillin from Dragon Ball or any other halfway decent fighter from DBZ. Your expectations are unreasonable and if your valuation of the quality of a story revolves around how much its characters could win in a multiversal power scaling dick measuring competition then you are completely nuts. 