Character Discussion Why does Imu-sama, the supposed final villain of One Piece, seem like crap so far?!

[Sentinel]

Imu is weak.

Nearly killing Sabo is apparently being weak.
I guess we have different understandings of weakness.

Sabo, injured, escapes from a room with 5 PK-level guys and one guy who is stronger than all of them combined.

One of these guys easily owned Sanji (YC1 >= Sanji > YC2), Bonney and other strawhats and will most likely fight Luffy later on.
Another one carries one of the 12 supreme grade blades.
All of them are mythical zoans being awakened. Is Kaido also awakened? But well, he has powerful Haki, so he's excused but again. One Gorosei carries one of the strongest blades, so his Haki is next level by default.
It's rather the contrast. Sabo fleeing from them is hype for Sabo.

one guy who is stronger than all of them combined.

You see the contradiction in your post? How is Imu weak when he's stronger than all 5 Gorosei combined?

Oda doesn't respect Imu to the point of not even providing a decent explanation for Sabo's escape...

YOU are not respecting Imu because your agenda is flooding in your head, it's that simple. Stop acting like Oda's disrespecting the head of the WG for whatever reasons lol.

You can cry all day

I'm not the one who created this thread.

compare him, and lie about Kaido

1.) I won't compare Imu to Kaido, it's obvious the final villain shits on the mid series villain. You can only hope that Kaido will be one shot by the FV.

2.) I didn't lie about Kaido. He failed to kill any significant character in Onigashima, he even failed to kill Speed.

but it won't change Imu's initial portrayal.

Yes, it doesn't change:
He is the head of the organisation which ruled over 800 years. Unlike Kaido, who thought Nika would beat him, Imu and Co actually managed to kill Nika. The reasons are still unknown but at least Imu is a step farther than Kaido. In his introduction, 5 top tiers bowed to him. He nearly killed Sabo with a single casual move and his cruelty even shocked the Gorosei who view humans no less than insects.

 

[Steven]

I've honestly debunked both of you

Kaido is a mid series villain.He will be old news EoS.Better hope that IM cant just oneshot him

IM is most likely Mother Flare and Mother Flare oneshots Kaido

 

[Sentinel]

I've honestly debunked both of you.

No, you didn't.
You presented nothing but lukewarm air.

Certainly, you can continue discussing and making comparisons between Cobra and an old, sick man with Speed, who is stronger than Cobra. You can also invent panels where Kaido attacks Speed with blasts of heat.

So is Don Krieg. Can Kaido not kill Don Krieg with a single attack?
How does it matter that Speed is stronger than Cobra? She's a maggot compared to Kaido in terms of power. He's supposed to wipe her out with a single attack. Just like how he yeeted that one beast pirate away when he was crying about Doflamingo being defeated.

You can certainly do your best to mitigate the initial tragedy of the supposedly strongest character in the OP verse.

This thread will age very terribly but don't worry, I won't mock you for that.
It's just the case that you're reaching sanjikun levels of cope to make past villains more important and stronger than they are. You simply have to let it go my man. There's no pity being an ant compared to the final villain.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

No, you didn't.
You presented nothing but lukewarm air.



So is Don Krieg. Can Kaido not kill Don Krieg with a single attack?
How does it matter that Speed is stronger than Cobra? She's a maggot compared to Kaido in terms of power. He's supposed to wipe her out with a single attack. Just like how he yeeted that one beast pirate away when he was crying about Doflamingo being defeated.



This thread will age very terribly but don't worry, I won't mock you for that.
It's just the case that you're reaching sanjikun levels of cope to make past villains more important and stronger than they are. You simply have to let it go my man. There's no pity being an ant compared to the final villain.

Keep going, your words, not Oda's, won't change Imu's initial portrayal as a complete walking failure, character silhouettes don't justify the shortcomings. Start comparing the supposed strongest divine god to Kaido, a YC3, to justify Imu's failures; it's quite funny.

The final villain of OP, whether it's Blackbeard or Imu, both are weak. Saitama defeats the entire OP universe with one punch.

 

[Midnight Delight]

Imu is a representation of Bohemianism in the same way Akainu is a representation of Authoritarian Idealism or Blackbeard is a representation of Greed in it's purest form and Luffy is a representation of childish Adventure romanticism

Once you realise this, you would understand that Imu is Doflamingo/Crocodile/Enel on steroids. The person who achieved the dream of all bohemians.

 

[Steven]

@Sentinel can you tell me why this guy changed now the topic to Saitama the fodder?

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

If you think Enel performance in Skypia was crazy, wait for Imu performance, the timebomb in the final war will be about Imu going to destroy the entire planet or something and Luffy need to stop him doing that shit.

 

[Sentinel]

Keep going, your words, not Oda's, won't change Imu's initial portrayal as a complete walking failure, character silhouettes don't justify the shortcomings. Start comparing the supposed strongest divine god to Kaido, a YC3, to justify Imu's failures; it's quite funny.

Oda never said anything which confirms your headcanon lol.
How is Imu a walking failure when he legit won against Nika and thus wrote history? Bro, this is becoming sad. Dude is a silhuette and you already start with the downplay...

The final villain of OP, whether it's Blackbeard or Imu, both are weak.

Forget Blackbeard. Pray Kaido won't end up weaker than Shanks.

Saitama defeats the entire OP universe with one punch.

Great, then Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann comes and stomps the entire OPM, Naruto, One Piece, Dragon Ball and Bleach verse with a single punch. Why bringing up characters from other verses along lol?

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

@Sentinel can you tell me why this guy changed now the topic to Saitama the fodder?

Saitama is indeed doing well; he can defeat the OP verse and the Fairy Tail verse without even breaking a sweat.

 

[Sentinel]

@Sentinel can you tell me why this guy changed now the topic to Saitama the fodder?

He simply lost the argument.
Plus, there are countless characters capable of beating Saitama's ass. Saitama can't even beat Nintendo's plumber (Mario).

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Oda never said anything which confirms your headcanon lol.
How is Imu a walking failure when he legit won against Nika and thus wrote history? Bro, this is becoming sad. Dude is a silhuette and you already start with the downplay...



Forget Blackbeard. Pray Kaido won't end up weaker than Shanks.



Great, then Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann comes and stomps the entire OPM, Naruto, One Piece, Dragon Ball and Bleach verse with a single punch. Why bringing up characters from other verses along lol?

Literally, Imu is a failure, and you're trying to rewrite that by making comparisons to make Imu, who is already bad, look better. You're also citing incidents in which the manga didn't show the details. Can we stop this rollercoaster of headcanon?

Imu's portrayal remains as shown in the panels drawn by Oda:

• Failing to defeat Sabo, even when he had the opportunity to attack him by surprise.
• Needing more than one blow to kill a weakened, sick old man.
• Allowing Sabo to escape even when surrounded by his Gorosei.

All of the above are facts. Your "But but but Kaido this, but but but Kaido that" won't change what Oda has shown, unfortunately.
Walls of text filled with pure headcanon and implausible justifications from you. The reference to the OPM verse was just to emphasize how much of a failure Imu is as well. You bringing in other anime and manga to save Imu's face is quite amusing.

 

[Sentinel]

Literally, Imu is a failure, and you're trying to rewrite that by making comparisons to make Imu, who is already bad, look better.

Are these comparisons?
I repeat: He is the head of the organisation which ruled over 800 years. Unlike Kaido, who thought Nika would beat him, Imu and Co actually managed to kill Nika. The reasons are still unknown but at least Imu is a step farther than Kaido. In his introduction, 5 top tiers bowed to him. He nearly killed Sabo with a single casual move and his cruelty even shocked the Gorosei who view humans no less than insects.

Again, all of that while being a silhuette.

You're also citing incidents in which the manga didn't show the details.

So now you care about details but not when I told you to wait for more details?
And what kinda details do you need? Nika lost in the past and the WG wrote history. Imu and the Gorosei are not frauds as evident by the current chapters. Maybe they used underhanded methods, maybe not. But Imu definitely didn't receive any L like you portray it that way...

Can we stop this rollercoaster of headcanon?

I agree, let's stop with this circus.

Failing to defeat Sabo, even when he had the opportunity to attack him by surprise.

He actually defeated Sabo and nearly killed him.
I corrected that one.

Needing more than one blow to kill a weakened, sick old man.

Never happened.

Allowing Sabo to escape even when surrounded by his Gorosei.

Hey, we're at square one again? Didn't you just agree that PIS exist and thus matters? See there:

I can say that all the opponents Kaido failed to defeat were because of plot-induced stupidity, if it makes you feel better?!

So Sabo escaping was just PIS.

Your "But but but Kaido this, but but but Kaido that" won't change what Oda has shown, unfortunately.

Then you won't like what I'm responding next:

All of the above are facts.

Just like Kaido failing to kill Kinemon, Kiku, Ashura Duji, Denjiro, Nekomamushi, Inuarashi, Izo, Raizo, Kawamatsu and Speed. All of that are facts.

At least Imu's attack had no ACoC when nearly killing Sabo.
What was Kaido's excuse when he failed to kill a halfdead Kinemon with his ACoC blow?

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Are these comparisons?
I repeat: He is the head of the organisation which ruled over 800 years. Unlike Kaido, who thought Nika would beat him, Imu and Co actually managed to kill Nika. The reasons are still unknown but at least Imu is a step farther than Kaido. In his introduction, 5 top tiers bowed to him. He nearly killed Sabo with a single casual move and his cruelty even shocked the Gorosei who view humans no less than insects.

Again, all of that while being a silhuette.



So now you care about details but not when I told you to wait for more details?
And what kinda details do you need? Nika lost in the past and the WG wrote history. Imu and the Gorosei are not frauds as evident by the current chapters. Maybe they used underhanded methods, maybe not. But Imu definitely didn't receive any L like you portray it that way...



I agree, let's stop with this circus.



He actually defeated Sabo and nearly killed him.
I corrected that one.



Never happened.



Hey, we're at square one again? Didn't you just agree that PIS exist and thus matters? See there:



So Sabo escaping was just PIS.



Then you won't like what I'm responding next:



Just like Kaido failing to kill Kinemon, Kiku, Ashura Duji, Denjiro, Nekomamushi, Inuarashi, Izo, Raizo, Kawamatsu and Speed. All of that are facts.

At least Imu's attack had no ACoC when nearly killing Sabo.
What was Kaido's excuse when he failed to kill a halfdead Kinemon with his ACoC blow?

But Kaido is a YC3 when compared to Imu-sama, so it's plausible for Kaido to fail to kill Kinemon. However, what's the excuse for Imu-sama, a god far above Kaido, not even being able to knock out Sabo with a Haki-infused attack?
At least Kinemon didn't escape after Kaido's attack.

 

[Steven]

he can defeat the OP verse and the Fairy Tail verse without even breaking a sweat.

Funny enough,if hes just standing still,several people in FT/OP can defeat the brick

Failing to defeat Sabo, even when he had the opportunity to attack him by surprise.

But he defeated him in 1 blow lol.Fucker was on a life support

Allowing Sabo to escape even when surrounded by his Gorosei.

Plotarmor and PIS

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Funny enough,if hes just standing still,several people in FT/OP can defeat the brick

But he defeated him in 1 blow lol.Fucker was on a life support

Plotarmor and PIS

One punch, and Saitama gets the job done, man.

 

[Sentinel]

But Kaido is a YC3 when compared to Imu-sama

Nope.
Kaido is not YC3 in comparison to Imu - he's Page One to Big Mom in comparison to Imu. God tiers are on a completely different level.

so it's plausible for Kaido to fail to kill Kinemon.

Nope, it is still a massive L.

However, what's the excuse for Imu-sama, a god far above Kaido, not even being able to knock out Sabo with a Haki-infused attack?

It is basically like a hakified Gum Gum Pistol, so yes - Imu is excused.

At least Kinemon didn't escape after Kaido's attack.

Oh wow, how impressive, especially after taking an ACoC blow to his head lol.

 

[OldFashion]

Who cares how strong Imu is. Blackbeard is the real final villain and Luffy's rival

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Nope.
Kaido is not YC3 in comparison to Imu - he's Page One to Big Mom in comparison to Imu. God tiers are on a completely different level.



Nope, it is still a massive L.



It is basically like a hakified Gum Gum Pistol, so yes - Imu is excused.



Oh wow, how impressive, especially after taking an ACoC blow to his head lol.

Imu-sama's attacks are far above a Haki-coated attack from Base Kaido, considering that Kaido is a YC3...
Sabo, with his back turned and in a vulnerable position, receives an attack from the all-powerful Imu-sama and isn't even knocked out. Is there any excuse for that?!Afterward, the god Imu-sama allows the wounded Sabo to escape.

In comparison, Kaido appears better, given the fact that on both occasions when he caught someone off guard, he managed to knock out Oden and temporarily kill Luffy, while Imu-sama didn't achieve either against Sabo. (And Oden and Luffy are stronger than Sabo). Well, well, it seems things are getting tough for the all-powerful and hypothetical god Imu.

Unless, of course, you believe that Kaido wouldn't have knocked out a Sabo carrying an old man on his back with a completely lowered guard, especially considering his track record of knocking out much stronger individuals.

 

[Steven]

Imu-sama's attacks are far above a Haki-coated attack from Base Kaido, considering that Kaido is a YC3...
Sabo, with his back turned and in a vulnerable position, receives an attack from the all-powerful Imu-sama and isn't even knocked out. Is there any excuse for that?!Afterward, the god Imu-sama allows the wounded Sabo to escape.

In comparison, Kaido appears better, given the fact that on both occasions when he caught someone off guard, he managed to knock out Oden and temporarily kill Luffy, while Imu-sama didn't achieve either against Sabo. (And Oden and Luffy are stronger than Sabo). Well, well, it seems things are getting tough for the all-powerful and hypothetical god Imu.

Kaido is most likely just a insect for IM lol

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Kaido is most likely just a insect for IM lol

Kaido at least managed to knock out Oden and Luffy when they lowered their guard. Imu-sama isn't even doing that against weaker individuals than Oden and Luffy, such as Sabo, even when Sabo is carrying an old man on his back.

It seems like Imu-sama is failing to demonstrate a significant power gap compared to someone like Kaido.