Powers & Abilities Now or Never: Sanji's last chance of awakening CoC

[langitbarat]

Edit: You guys shouldn't come to this thread if you don't entertain the idea of Sanji & CoC. Don't waste your time, life is short.

My post is only specifically talking about Bonney's situation and it's relation to Sanji & CoC, not about stuff like whether Sanji is qualified or not, that's for another discussion.

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For those who wants Sanji to "have" or awaken CoC, the current Bonney's situation is the only perfect & reasonable chance Sanji got.

Well, there's Pudding subplot, but that's unlikely & a discussion for another time.

A. Why now?
For power related, Zoro comes first and Sanji second. Sanji is not allowed to awaken CoC until after Zoro did.

B. Why this scene?
1. It is about woman.
2. It is a distressing situation, which Sanji rarely be in.
3. There are some proper "victims", which is Marine fodders.
4. Sanji is immobilized, but CoC outburst can still be done.
5. Luffy is exhausted, Zoro & Jinbe is not in vicinity.
6. Bonney's execution must be stopped in some way or another.

Luffy, Ace, Yamato, Zoro (all vol 100's cover characters) awakens their CoC in a dire situation.

C. What are some other factors in play?

1. Timing
- They just finished Wano, another new powerup is too soon.
+ On the other hand, Zoro is guaranteed to have one more powerup (black blade), so Sanji is guaranteed to have one too (it can be this CoC).
+ Sanji lost RS, CoC as a replacement is a fitting tradeoff (both are will related & oppose each other)

2. Luffy / Nika
- The recent flashback is about Nika, so it's possible Luffy Piece to be back.
+ On the other hand, the last time G5 gets rejuvenated, it took some time & some actions, not an instant. Luffy is just exhausted a few moments earlier.

3. Kuma
- Kuma teleporting to Egghead is definitely happening.
+ On the other hand if he somehow arrives just in time before the execution, that would be too fast & too coincidental.

4. Ancient Robot
- Robot will definitely have a piece of action.
+ On the other hand, it's movement must take time and make some noise. Everyone must have noticed it, and it would be still too late for the execution.

5. Franky
- Franky can fire some missiles from his body to interrupt the execution, it's why he's there. He can shine here ala WCI Sanji & Wano Zoro
+ Franky would have done that already if he could, not waiting until the last minute.

6. Blackbeard Pirates, Caribou, Vegapunks
- It's possible we have outside interference
+ Caribou is too chicken to confront Saturn
+ Caribou / BBP has no incentives to save Bonney
+ Other Vegapunks are located somewhere else

7. Sanji himself
- It's also possible Sanji solves & save the execution not using CoC, but by going berserk/Exo mode/whatever.
+ If he could, he would've done it already.

8. Other
- Oda loves to subvert expectations, so it's possible an unexpected development to happen. Such as Bonney herself awakens Buccaneer bloodline, or her DF awakens.

D. Sanji shouldn't get CoC for balance purpose
While this is one of the accepted reasoning why he doesn't have it/awaken it, the recent flashback showcased Rocks' crew.

The SH doesn't need to surpass Rocks' or Roger's crew in power, but having only 2 peak tiers (Luffy Zoro) can't carry the SH (who is low in quantity) to be worthy of PK title.

Sanji having CoC (only basic is enough) will always benefit Luffy, SH, and the story.

The only disadvantages are (a) Sanji being revealed to be blessed by heaven, which takes away his unique status.

And (b) Zoro having one less exclusivity over Sanji.
However he is guaranteed to have black bade (rarest ability) and highly suspected to have VoAT. These 2 abilities is enough to make Zoro to be very special far above Sanji.

 

[Cruxroux]

For power related, Zoro comes first and Sanji second. Sanji is not allowed to awaken CoC until after Zoro did.

Stopped reading here.

Again , I have said this multiple times. He has no buisness being a conqueror. Neither his dreams or values shows the traits of a king.

He's simply Crew Cook. Leave him alone

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Eh I think it’ll happen during the BB pirates since we’re shown that Pudding is imprisoned by the BB Pirates. Really wouldn’t shock me if part way through the Lafitte fight Lafitte has a fodder use her as a hostage. Which would be a better time to awaken CoC than now.

 

[Rukusho]

Stopped reading here.

Again , I have said this multiple times. He has no buisness being a conqueror. Neither his dreams or values shows the traits of a king.

He's simply Crew Cook. Leave him alone

LMFAO SAME HERE. Stopped reading after that part too.

 

[RoronoaZorro]

Zoro also has ACoC & Sanji will be capped to basic CoC. This is a definitive proof that Zoro is stronger.

One can say a non CoC user is stronger than a CoC user (like Law > Chinjao/Kata). Sanji can fall into this.

But if Sanji were also to be CoC user, the ACoC / basic CoC difference can truly separate Zoro and Sanji.

 

[Cruxroux]

Eh I think it’ll happen during the BB pirates since we’re shown that Pudding is imprisoned by the BB Pirates. Really wouldn’t shock me if part way through the Lafitte fight Lafitte has a fodder use her as a hostage. Which would be a better time to awaken CoC than now.

You really don't have to CoC to be strong. BB is the prime example to it.

Also I don't see him being Relevant in future fights either. Oda is removing focus from Every strawhat one by one.

Next turn is Zoro. There will be soon arcs with only Luffy fighting while crew runs around in the background

 

[Garp the Fist]

Sanji has barely been relevant this arc.

If he‘s ever to unlock CoC it’ll be at a time where he is important. Germa returning to the story, rescuing Pudding, All Blue, even a final fight powerup. Or maybe all four combined.

Ussop’s only chance is Elbaf. If Zoro’s hadn’t got it in Wano he would never have got it. The big thing against Sanji is that WCI was his equivelent and that’s not the route Oda went with him at all. Now, maybe that’s just because he was never going to get it before Zoro, or maybe it’s because it’s simply not the route Oda is going with him. If characters like the Admirals, Law, maybe Sabo, don‘t have it, then Sanji not getting it either isn’t a surprise.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

You really don't have to CoC to be strong. BB is the prime example to it.

Also I don't see him being Relevant in future fights either. Oda is removing focus from Every strawhat one by one.

Next turn is Zoro. There will be soon arcs with only Luffy fighting while crew runs around in the background

I agree. The only reason I think Sanji will get it is because a big chunk of sanjis story is about what it means to be a king and a ruler. Him getting CoC is the perfect middle finger to Judge.

And just like pre timeskip, Sanji will have clashes in the exploratory and set up arcs then one on one’s with completion in the war arcs imo.

Tbh the only arc I think Luffy will be the only one fighting may be if we go to Lodestar.

 

[langitbarat]

Stopped reading here.

Again , I have said this multiple times. He has no buisness being a conqueror. Neither his dreams or values shows the traits of a king.

He's simply Crew Cook. Leave him alone

LMFAO SAME HERE. Stopped reading after that part too.

Well you guys shouldn't come to this thread. Don't waste your time here.

My post is only specifically talking about Bonney's situation & it's relation to Sanji & CoC.

I didn't talk about stuff like whether Sanji is qualified or not, that's for another discussion.

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Eh I think it’ll happen during the BB pirates since we’re shown that Pudding is imprisoned by the BB Pirates. Really wouldn’t shock me if part way through the Lafitte fight Lafitte has a fodder use her as a hostage. Which would be a better time to awaken CoC than now.

Yeah. I mentioned Pudding, I don't relate her to CoC stuff because her rescue is better suited for Mr Prince type of action (especially if the opponent is Lafitte).

Secondly if he used CoC in Pudding's rescue, she would be surrounded & defended by top tiers. Sanji unleashing CoC won't work on them, not even Luffy's.

 

[HA001]

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Well you guys shouldn't come to this thread. Don't waste your time here.

My post is only specifically talking about Bonney's situation & it's relation to Sanji & CoC.

I didn't talk about stuff like whether Sanji is qualified or not, that's for another discussion.

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Yeah. I mentioned Pudding, I don't relate her to CoC stuff because her rescue is better suited for Mr Prince type of action (especially if the opponent is Lafitte).

Secondly if he used CoC in Pudding's rescue, she would be surrounded & defended by top tiers. Sanji unleashing CoC won't work on them, not even Luffy's.

I don’t think Pudding would be surrounded by top tiers, just fodder Blackbeard Pirates.

 

[langitbarat]

Sanji has barely been relevant this arc.

If he‘s ever to unlock CoC it’ll be at a time where he is important. Germa returning to the story, rescuing Pudding, All Blue, even a final fight powerup. Or maybe all four combined.

Ussop’s only chance is Elbaf. If Zoro’s hadn’t got it in Wano he would never have got it. The big thing against Sanji is that WCI was his equivelent and that’s not the route Oda went with him at all. Now, maybe that’s just because he was never going to get it before Zoro, or maybe it’s because it’s simply not the route Oda is going with him. If characters like the Admirals, Law, maybe Sabo, don‘t have it, then Sanji not getting it either isn’t a surprise.

To be fair, WCI's development for Sanji (and Enies Lobby) can only be finished in Wano (asking Robin for help).

If Sanji awakens CoC in WCI, that would mean his character development is complete (he has firm will in WCI). This can't happen.

WCI must have Sanji's will/resolve/heart to be at weak state. Unleashing CoC there is physically & mentally impossible.

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I don’t think Pudding would be surrounded by top tiers, just fodder Blackbeard Pirates.

While it may not be Top tier, she would still be properly guarded.

High tier/mid tier must exist, because BBP comes for her specifically for her importance in Poneg.

Thus rendering CoC unleash as irrelevant.

And if there's only fodders around, Sanji's speed is more than enough to deal with them. He won't resort to CoC.

 

[Julius]

CoC coating is quite overrated nowadays lets be honest, people tend to make it a more big deal than it is, specially Zoro fans who are very vocal. I don't see them wanking Future sight specially after Rayleigh wanked that ability, but make it CoC coating a more of a big deal than it really is because Kaido said the exact same thing (and even contradicted himself at the end of the fight), i wonder why? (Cough.. Coughtakuri.. Coughuffy... Cough.. Coughanji)

Surely we gonna have CoC users among the strongest, specially because you obviously need great ambition to be willing to be up there, but it doesn't automatically places a CoC coating user above everyone who isn't a CoC user, and just like the top of the verse aren't merely CoC users we still have top CoO and broken awakened rare type of Devil Fruits among those people, and probably many other abilities that have still not been revealed.

It's literally a cool Haki power to conveniently boost character's AP that screams "beware, this character has some damn great ambition"

Oda has already set up Sanji to be a power house, and it doesn't 100% needs to be related with having CoC coating because, as i said, there are many other stuff that can be explored overall. There are many other ways to make him crazy strong.

But when we talk about scientific powers (mostly lineage factor manipulation nowadays), we can expect anything because we have no standards for that aside from some Cyborgs and Lunarian toughness who is race related (thus can be manipulated through lineage factor), so Sanji can be the pioneer on this matter. Oda is combining Sanji's own competences (haki, physical strenght, battle IQ, speed, fighting style and stuff) with his genetic enhancements to create something completely new. Sanji's flames, for example, were hinted in the SBS to be completely unknown for now, "Lets keep an eye over him"

Although, narratively speaking, Sanji eventually getting CoC is something to be expected. I don't think it needs to be now but i 100% understand the appeal of this being one of his last chances of awakening it. After all Oda did called out the audience to pay attention on Sanji, spoke misteryously about his eyebrows and resistance to flame, he gave a special focus to Sanji in Egghead specifically for this matter (his powers).

We have the Science related Gorosei here, grouped with Vegapunk, who is responsible for Judge being successful on his experiments, which obviously affected Sanji's life forever, and we have the so called "Warrior of Science" who is Sanji himself according to Oda. Kuma shares a few similarities with Sanji as well, specially when we talk about turning into something of a Cyborg, for whatever reason but unwillingly, and losing your humanity... All this leads the fans to expect something..

The whole "having your mind taken over by something inside your body" already screams CoC to me, because it could be a good explanation (and perhaps the only one) for Sanji not turning evil and Judge's puppet, Sanji's will surpassed Judge's will (manifested through the experiment on his own children), thus he has absolute control of the lineage factor, he "conquered" that thing and didn't let it take over his mind

Reiju, for example, she managed to be a little bit different from her brothers through Sora's influence on her childhood, but there were still things she cannot do due to Judge intentionally creating her children to be like this, specifically.

I could even make a parallel to Mythical Zoan Devil Fruits, the Gorosei said they have a mind of their own, and Luffy seems to be completely out of himself when using Gear 5... Would Luffy be able to awaken that fruit if he didn't had CoC? Thats how i tie these abilities to CoC, perhaps this is the reason Oda decided to call Sanji "Warrior of Science" after all

Although another possibility is Sanji could awaken that against an Admiral for example, Ryokugyu seems to be someone Oda is gonna explore a lot in the story, his tattoo already hints his past and Oda even brought that to SBS, his comic similarities with Zoro (green hair, love for booze, a sword that appears to be unique) and even with Sanji himself, alongside with his opposition to some of Sanji's ideals like not caring about food and being the representation of "Nature itself" tend to make me believe Oda is building up that fight for it to be very meaningful for Sanji's character. And it's a fcking Admiral
:cheers:

 

[HA001]

CoC coating is quite overrated nowadays lets be honest, people tend to make it a more big deal than it is, specially Zoro fans who are very vocal. I don't see them wanking Future sight specially after Rayleigh wanked that ability, but make it a CoC coating a big deal because Kaido said the exact same thing (and even contradicted himself at the end of the fight), i wonder why? (Cough.. Coughtakuri.. Coughuffy... Cough.. Coughanji)

Surely we gonna have CoC users among the strongest, specially because you obviously need great ambition to be willing to be up there, but it doesn't automatically places a CoC coating user above everyone who isn't a CoC user, and just like the top of the verse aren't merely CoC users we still have top CoO and broken awakened rare type of Devil Fruits among those people, and probably many other abilities that have still not been revealed.

It's literally a cool Haki power to conveniently boost character's AP that screams "beware, this character has some damn great ambition"

Oda has already set up Sanji to be a power house, and it doesn't need to be related with having CoC coating. There are many other ways to make him crazy strong.

But when we talk about scientific powers (mostly lineage factor manipulation nowadays), we can expect anything because we have no standards for that aside from some Cyborgs and Lunarian toughness who is race related (thus can be manipulated through lineage factor), so Sanji can be the pioneer on this matter. Oda is combining Sanji's own competences (haki, physical strenght, battle IQ, speed, fighting style and stuff) with his genetic enhancements to create something completely new. Sanji's flames, for example, were hinted in the SBS to be completely unknown for now, "Lets keep an eye over him"

Although, narratively speaking, Sanji eventually getting CoC is something to be expected. I don't think it needs to be now but i 100% understand the appeal of this being one of his last chances of awakening it. After all Oda did called out the audience to pay attention on Sanji, spoke misteryously about his eyebrows and resistance to flame, he gave a special focus to Sanji in Egghead specifically for this matter (his powers).

We have the Science related Gorosei here, grouped with Vegapunk, who is responsible for Judge being successful on his experiments, which obviously affected Sanji's life forever, and we have the so called "Warrior of Science" who is Sanji himself according to Oda. Kuma shares a few similarities with Sanji as well, specially when we talk about turning into something of a Cyborg, for whatever reason but unwillingly, and losing your humanity... All this leads the fans to expect something..

The whole "having your mind taken over by something inside your body" already screams CoC to me, because it could be a good explanation (and perhaps the only one) for Sanji not turning evil and Judge's puppet, Sanji's will surpassed Judge's will (manifested through the experiment on his own children), thus he has absolute control of the lineage factor, he "conquered" that thing and didn't let it take over his mind

Reiju, for example, she managed to be a little bit different from her brothers through Sora's influence on her childhood, but there were still things she cannot do due to Judge intentionally creating her children to be like this, specifically.

I could even make a parallel to Mythical Zoan Devil Fruits, the Gorosei said they have a mind of their own, and Luffy seems to be completely out of himself when using Gear 5... Would Luffy be able to awaken that fruit if he didn't had CoC? Thats how i tie these abilities to CoC, perhaps this is the reason Oda decided to call Sanji "Warrior of Science" after all

Although another possibility is Sanji could awaken that against an Admiral for example, Ryokugyu seems to be someone Oda is gonna explore a lot in the story, his tattoo already hints his past and Oda even brought that to SBS, his comic similarities with Zoro (green hair, love for booze, a sword that appears to be unique) and even with Sanji himself, alongside with his opposition to some of Sanji's ideals like not caring about food and being the representation of "Nature itself" tend to make me believe Oda is building up that fight for it to be very meaningful for Sanji's character. And it's a fcking Admiral
:cheers:

Sanji is going into eos with basic haki. There will never be a top tier without advanced haki.
Coby > sanji

 

[soheilhazrat]

i have given up on haki for Sanji

 

[Erkan12]

True if they get CoC Haki, Lanji's must be later as Rayleigh also showed Haki types in this order, weakest to strongest types:

CoO first (Lanji's specialized Haki) > CoA second (Zolo's) > CoC third (Luffy's)

Since Zolo got much later than Luffy as second, if Lanji will get CoC as third it should be after Zolo as well.

Also as Rayleigh said you can't train CoC to be stronger it only grows with your general Haki level, but people like Luffy and Shanks specialize in CoC while people like Zolo, Mihawk and Sanji specialize in CoA or CoO, so even if they are equal level, Luffy and Shanks will always have the CoC skill and talent edge over them.

Thats why Luffy was using CoC much earlier than Zolo, when Dressrosa Zolo was much stronger than Pre-TS Luffy, or kid Doflamingo, kid Ace or kid Yamato, Zolo only unlocked CoC in Wano, thats because Zolo is specialized in CoA while they are in CoC.

 

[soheilhazrat]

CoO first > CoA second > CoC third

i rather have FS than ryou or eternal damage.

i dont think thats correct

 

[Erkan12]

i rather have FS than ryou or eternal damage.

i dont think thats correct

Lets look at the Haki users from Pre-TS:

-Satori, Gedatsu, Shura and Ohm, they can use Observation Haki, Ohm looked stronger due to his special iron cloud sword, without that he would be weaker.

-Marigold was able to use Barrier armament Haki.

Enel's priests such as Satori were much easier opponents, while Pre-TS Luffy needed G2 bazooka to overpower Marigold's Barrier Haki. Luffy's regular DF attacks were not working vs Marigold while those regular DF moves were enough vs Enel's priests or vs Enel.

Or lets look at people like Otohime, natural born observation Haki user. While people like Sentomaru when they are kid (possibly talented at armament Haki even he was a kid) would be stronger than natural born observation Haki users. So being natural born armament Haki user is better than natural born observation Haki user.

And kid Ace when he was being hold, and still knocking out Bluejam pirates with 1 move or kid Doflamingo when he was tied with ropes knocking out people who were trying to kill him is a much better power than those as well, plus making people and animals around them tamed.

 

[Albino 👑]

Sanji getting conquerors has a 50/50 chance in general imo. It could be cool for him to get it now but if he doesn’t it doesn’t stop him from getting it later on tbh

Also if wb, katakuri, Rayleigh, and Yamato can have it nothing is really stopping Sanji lol

 

[Peroroncino]

Zoro also has ACoC & Sanji will be capped to basic CoC. This is a definitive proof that Zoro is stronger.

One can say a non CoC user is stronger than a CoC user (like Law > Chinjao/Kata). Sanji can fall into this.

But if Sanji were also to be CoC user, the ACoC / basic CoC difference can truly separate Zoro and Sanji.

Oda saying that Zoro is stronger when he drew numbers 2s cover page was definitive proof