Future Events Koby is going to defeat Kuzan

TheAncientCenturion

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#1
Ever since it was revealed that Kuzan is 100% an active member of the Blackbeard Pirates as its Tenth Member, there's been a lot of discussion over who will defeat Kuzan. Some people believe Kuzan will switch sides and was never truly with Blackbeard, other people believe that Trafalgar D. Law or Sanji will fight and beat Kuzan.

Sanji has no connection to Kuzan and the most people can argue is that Kuzan uses ice and Sanji uses fire, so there. Match up made. Which is the same logic that dictated King vs Sanji, so we can throw this potential match up into the dumpster.

Law is even worse off. Kuzan isn't the one who destroyed Law's submarine or brutally beat him up. That's Blackbeard, Law has nothing to do with Kuzan. This would be an even less impactful fight.

That leads us with Kuzan betraying Blackbeard, which tonally misses the entire point of Kuzan's flashback. He isn't loyal to Teach—he's apart of the crew for his own agenda, as is every other pirate. Kuzan would only betray Teach if that agenda couldn't be reached via Teach. I do not see Kuzan deciding that Teach is the wrong horse in this race now, after defeating Garp and arguably consigning him to death.

This leads Koby. Who has an obvious connection to Kuzan via their master, both using battleships as punching bags, both being prominent boxers as well. And it's not like Koby's connection ends there either. Koby has ties to Blackbeard, who recognizes him on sight, holds some value on Koby's name and takes him prisoner. Blackbeard believes Koby is valuable enough to be made legitimate.

And this all stems from Koby's involvement in Rocky Port, so Koby has a tie to both Blackbeard and Kuzan. The effective heads of the Blackbeard Pirates.

Looking at the Hachinosu chapters, it actually resembles a reverse—Marineford, stripped down a little, but the important story beats are there.

Koby = Ace
Both are young, powerful and well respected individuals in their factions. Koby is known as a hero and highly valued as a hostage by Blackbeard himself. Meanwhile, Ace was a big enough shot to turn down a Warlord invitation and then challenge Jinbe, beat him, then be recruited as the 2nd Commander in Whitebeard's crew.

Both require being rescued by their allies and mentor figure. Additionally, both are shocked at those who arrive to save them.


Garp=Whitebeard
Very self explanatory. Both are big dogs of the oldgen, legends of their factions and arrive with a ballsy attitude to rescue their students / underlings. Both suffer similar injuries, being weakened and stabbed in the chest.

The parallels keep coming.

Kuzan = Akainu
Another very obvious case—both of these guys were the only forces to take on the old legends in their respective battles. We don't see any Blackbeard pirate lasting more than a panel against Garp. Even Shiryu was punked after impaling Garp, whereas Kuzan keeps getting up for more. Very similar to Akainu in Marineford.

But the biggest parallel between them is visual. One Piece is a visual media and as such, Oda's art is responsible for telling a massive chunk of the story, including foreshadowing and drawing allusions to other works or even moments in One Piece.


TL;DR
Thematically, Koby is Ace who escaped his execution.
Koby has been referred to as the future of the marines.
Koby displayed unreal attack power, a major hint that Oda has big plans for Koby in the future (you don't randomly make characters stronger if you have no intention of using said strength).

Koby's ties to both Blackbeard & Kuzan guarantees that he's going to be the one to take down Kuzan, allying Luffy in a move that is identical to Rox fighting Roger & Garp.

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TheAncientCenturion

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#10
That would be almost fitting seeing as Kuzan is currently portrayed as a "fallen" Marine, but Koby's whole story is seeing the good in certain pirates and operating as SWORD (gray area I suppose) and I'm not yet convinced Kuzan isn't just playing along with Blackbeard for a greater good.
I think Kuzan is aiming to achieve something good, but I think he's pursuing it the wrong way. Which will probably be the realization when Koby finally beats him.
 
#11
I think Kuzan is aiming to achieve something good, but I think he's pursuing it the wrong way. Which will probably be the realization when Koby finally beats him.
Since it's operating in a gray area, Koby should be able to understand it, and so I do not think he will fight Kuzan.

He's far too weak for that anyways, but I digress
 
#12
I don't see it, at all.

1) Kuzan has his own agenda, which is what he consider greater good. This makes it unlikely that he will fall while allied with Blackbeard pirates, because he would be unable to work towards his purpose+he would be caught with people he doesn't consider close.

2) Koby seems to have a long way to go to get anywhere close to Kuzan's level. Right now, I doubt he is as strong as Dressrosa Luffy, he is still in need of 4-5 MC power ups to reach Kuzan

3) Narratively, Koby is constantly set as someone who suceeds when fighting for justice, against the worst actions people can take. You really think his claim to fame will be Kuzan who is, at best, a morally gray character?

4) You said it yourself, Kuzan panel mirrors Akainu one. Just as Akainu was standing in front of his enemies, so do Blackbeard pirates seem to be portrayed as Kuzan's true enemies, especially with Kuzan's face being frozen (hiding his true emotions) and (potentially) the word "All" being highlighted in that page.

How would it make narrative sense for Kuzan to be defeated while helping BBP, after that panel?
 

TheAncientCenturion

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#13
Since it's operating in a gray area, Koby should be able to understand it, and so I do not think he will fight Kuzan.

He's far too weak for that anyways, but I digress
Disagree, Koby is someone with a strong sense of moral justice and he's been set up as Garp's successor. There's absolutely no way Garp's students aren't fighting after Hachinosu

And he busted a mountain sized arm, I think it's safe to say Oda is going to give Koby a lot of respect.
1) Kuzan has his own agenda, which is what he consider greater good. This makes it unlikely that he will fall while allied with Blackbeard pirates, because he would be unable to work towards his purpose+he would be caught with people he doesn't consider close.
His own agenda is tied to Blackbeard, it's the entire point of joining that crew. He will fight for Blackbeard and fall with him, being the arc's Linlin to Blackbeard's Kaido.
2) Koby seems to have a long way to go to get anywhere close to Kuzan's level. Right now, I doubt he is as strong as Dressrosa Luffy, he is still in need of 4-5 MC power ups to reach Kuzan
We have no real way of knowing his exact strength, but Koby was able to one tap a mountain sized fist. That strength came out of no where and it is likely the tip of the iceberg. There's no point in Oda buffing Koby up in that scene if that isn't coming back around later.
3) Narratively, Koby is constantly set as someone who suceeds when fighting for justice, against the worst actions people can take. You really think his claim to fame will be Kuzan who is, at best, a morally gray character?
Yes. I think he'll fight his fellow apprentice, who just defeated their master.
How would it make narrative sense for Kuzan to be defeated while helping BBP, after that panel?
Because he's a Blackbeard Pirate and has staked whatever he wants to accomplish on Teach's success.
 
#14
Disagree, Koby is someone with a strong sense of moral justice and he's been set up as Garp's successor. There's absolutely no way Garp's students aren't fighting after Hachinosu

And he busted a mountain sized arm, I think it's safe to say Oda is going to give Koby a lot of respect.
The moral justice is precisely why I don't think he'll do it. If it's revealed Kuzan is a good guy in any shape or form, Koby will have a soft spot just like for Luffy.

Sure? It's a far cry from Kuzan still.
 

TheAncientCenturion

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#18
The moral justice is precisely why I don't think he'll do it. If it's revealed Kuzan is a good guy in any shape or form, Koby will have a soft spot just like for Luffy.

Sure? It's a far cry from Kuzan still.
Kuzan impaled Garp with ice, was all fine with destroying Ohara and the archeologists and killing all the pirates in the Marineford War.

His aims are good but Kuzan's skewed morally and Koby is going to correct him.
Koby is set up to bring the revolution WITHIN the marines rather than against pirates.
I agree! I think that, Post-Raftel, Koby will lead SWORD and they'll end up joining Luffy when he takes down the marines.
 
#19
Kuzan impaled Garp with ice, was all fine with destroying Ohara and the archeologists and killing all the pirates in the Marineford War.

His aims are good but Kuzan's skewed morally and Koby is going to correct him.

I agree! I think that, Post-Raftel, Koby will lead SWORD and they'll end up joining Luffy when he takes down the marines.
He was ordered to destroy Ohara, he didn't have much of a choice there, can't excuse him impaling Garp though
 
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