Controversial General Political Discussion

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

By this logic Americans should not give a fuck about Palestinians since they cheered the 9/11 attacks

So did Israel lol. Israeli citizens filmed the towers fall and were dancing and celebrating.

https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1

Maria says she saw three young men kneeling on the roof of a white van in the parking lot of her apartment building. "They seemed to be taking a movie," Maria said.

The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the expressions on the men's faces. "They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange," she said.

She found the behavior so suspicious that she wrote down the license plate number of the van and called the police. Before long, the FBI was also on the scene, and a statewide bulletin was issued on the van.

The arresting officers said they saw a lot that aroused their suspicion about the men. One of the passengers had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock. Another was carrying two foreign passports. A box cutter was found in the van. But perhaps the biggest surprise for the officers came when the five men identified themselves as Israeli citizens.

According to the police report, one of the passengers told the officers they had been on the West Side Highway in Manhattan "during the incident" — referring to the World Trade Center attack. The driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers, "We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem." The other passengers were his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari.

So no. I don't respect people who dance and laugh about 9/11. But I know for a fact Israelis did.

 

[Zenos7]

I dont want to do that, istead:

Restart the conversation.

Share you thoughts in a single paragraph. State your points clearly.

Accept the challenge.

What thoughts? How would i do that in a single paragraph?

And i dont really care anyway, im 99% sure ive heard all the mental gymnastics you would throw at me before anyway, because i listened to islamic apologists and scholars for countless hours
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I have no doubt that your understanding of the Quaran is superior to my own. I have not made it a focal point of my life, and, despite our clear difference in faith AND politics, I respect that you actually approached me with a long-form argument. Thank you. Allow my rebuttal.

The last part intrigues me. Those who disbelieve the laws of said land, or creed, should be driven out should they be willing to commit violence. Should this apply wholesale across the world in areas where terrorism in the name of Islam has taken place? You could argue that, by your own scripture, that Islam has no place in the West by this self-same dogma. Yet, somehow, you would not abide by Islam being driven out of Western states, would you? If not, why do you agree with these words?

He unironically posted zakir naik
Big oof

 

[Fn Lucci]

The bible is much easier to cherry pick because its not believed to be the inerrant eternal word of god.

Very few people will subscribe to nitpicks. You can always just agree to disagree.

Yeah that’s in spite of them, not because of them. Those people threaten our liberal society

Which is why as an American my perspective is that it's not about religion. You can have strong faith and that only goes so far before you run into someone who doesn't, and you just have to live with that.

 

[Zenos7]

Not talking about you, not really engaged with you in general.

So the latter, got it

 

[Roo]

So did Israel lol. Israeli citizens filmed the towers fall and were dancing and celebrating.

https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1





So no. I don't respect people who dance and laugh about 9/11. But I know for a fact Israelis did.

So you don’t respect Palestinians either?

I am not the one adhering by your retarded logic

 

[Okamakama]

Where did this happen exactly?

Im not even british, my country of residence is germany lmfao and i have never been to the uk before.

Guess you mistake me for someone else or just talking out of your ass

To be clear, I stated the following - I believe that there are a lot of issues within my country due to rampant, uncontrolled immigration and not enough integration. We have imported in cheap labour, which has also imported in more and more Islamic communities which, unfortunately, create their own insular communities, such as some London boroughs which have a 0% non-Muslim population -- where Sharia is followed.

I have grew up in poor neighbourhoods where I saw working class, British Nationals, haranged and harassed out of those neighbourhoods because of Islamic gangs.

Our police is afraid to combat it, as evidence by the Rotherham sex ring. The lack of real culpability in the murder of Sir David Amess. Among other things.

I do not hate Muslims. I grew up in a very, very multicultural environment. My family were originally immigrants who integrated into this country because they loved British culture and values. Now I see people who despise the British flag. Those who disrespect the land they live in. Those that have no loyalty, no desire to learn the language, and a true disdain for British law and culture. It does not mean all of them are this way. But I have noticed a clear connection between Islamic zealotry and anti-British sentiment amongst UK-based Muslims.

If that makes me a racist, then so be it, call me what you want. I am not. And to try and portray me as such is the epitome of middle-class individuals who've never lived in the lowest of the low. Who've never seen or had to experience such things as they've not lived in ghettos. They stare at the world from a position where they've never had to watch as their communities are overtaken and then denigrated in the name of a foreign ideology that is antithetical to the way of life of those who are living there.

Fucking hell.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

So you don’t respect Palestinians either?

I am not the one adhering by your retarded logic

I've never seen Palestinians dancing in New York while the towers fell, filming it for their bosses in Hamas. But I've seen Israelis do it for mossad.

 

[Roo]

I've never seen Palestinians dancing in New York while the towers fell, filming it for their bosses in Hamas. But I've seen Israelis do it for mossad.

So the distinction is where it happened? You’re bending over backwards trying not to break the same logic you established

 

[Roo]

Which is why as an American my perspective is that it's not about religion. You can have strong faith and that only goes so far before you run into someone who doesn't, and you just have to live with that.

Nah man, it happens so many times that at some point it’s just part of religion. Religion has it pros and cons, to view it as all good is naive

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

To be clear, I stated the following - I believe that there are a lot of issues within my country due to rampant, uncontrolled immigration and not enough integration. We have imported in cheap labour, which has also imported in more and more Islamic communities which, unfortunately, create their own insular communities, such as some London boroughs which have a 0% non-Muslim population -- where Sharia is followed.

I have grew up in poor neighbourhoods where I saw working class, British Nationals, haranged and harassed out of those neighbourhoods because of Islamic gangs.

Our police is afraid to combat it, as evidence by the Rotherham sex ring. The lack of real culpability in the murder of Sir David Amess. Among other things.

I do not hate Muslims. I grow up in a very, very multicultural environment. My family were immigrants who integrated into this country because they loved British culture and values. Now I see people who despise the British flag. Those who disrespect the land they live in. Those that have no loyalty, no desire to learn the language, and a true disdain for British law.

If that makes me a racist, then so be it, call me what you want. I am not. And to try and portray me as such, is the epitome of middle-class individuals who've never lived in the lowest of the low. Who've never seen or had to experience such things as they've not lived in ghettos.

Fucking hell.

British people acting like Rotherham was a shocking thing that only happens because of muslims cracks me up. You had Jimmy Savile you freaks. One of the most respected people in England, Stephen Fry, wrote and staged a play romanticizing gay rape between a 13 year old and a teacher and it got zero controversy. The entire British culture is obsessed with pedophilia. The police are afraid to go after it not because they're PC, but because theyre also fucking kids.

 

[Sekai Saikyō Mihawk]

British people acting like Rotherham was a shocking thing that only happens because of muslims cracks me up. You had Jimmy Savile you freaks. One of the most respected people in England, Stephen Fry, wrote and staged a play romanticizing gay rape between a 13 year old and a teacher and it got zero controversy. The entire British culture is obsessed with pedophilia.

Their dead beloved queen, protected and defended her pedophile son. Yet they have the nerve to yap about anyone being a nonce

 

[NikaInParis]

I've never seen Palestinians dancing in New York while the towers fell, filming it for their bosses in Hamas. But I've seen Israelis do it for mossad.

Tbf Israel also bombed a US battleship without so much as a peep from the US so it's pointless to bring that stuff up

 

[Okamakama]

British people acting like Rotherham was a shocking thing that only happens because of muslims cracks me up. You had Jimmy Savile you freaks. One of the most respected people in England, Stephen Fry, wrote and staged a play romanticizing gay rape between a 13 year old and a teacher and it got zero controversy. The entire British culture is obsessed with pedophilia. The police are afraid to go after it not because they're PC, but because theyre also fucking kids.

Don't get me wrong. I feel like there are predators in society, in all walks of life. But to equate my entire argument to "they're all rapists" is completely, utterly wrong.

Their dead beloved queen, protected and defended her pedophile son. Yet they have the nerve to yap about anyone being a nonsense

And I despise that prick, Andrew, and the majority of the British public do too.

But do the Islamists revile their prophet, who was also a paedophile? No.

Ultimately, if Palestinians want to play the "we're the indigenous people of the land and everyone else can fuck off" then people in other countries have equal rights to do that to migrants, no? Or is there a double-standard there? I don't even want all of them deported, unlike Palestine who would be more than happy to Israel flooded in blood. Just those who refuse to integrate with my home.

 

[notAfanboy]

I have no doubt that your understanding of the Quaran is superior to my own. I have not made it a focal point of my life, and, despite our clear difference in faith AND politics, I respect that you actually approached me with a long-form argument. Thank you. Allow my rebuttal.

The last part intrigues me. Those who disbelieve the laws of said land, or creed, should be driven out should they be willing to commit violence. Should this apply wholesale across the world in areas where terrorism in the name of Islam has taken place? You could argue that, by your own scripture, that Islam has no place in the West by this self-same dogma. Yet, somehow, you would not abide by Islam being driven out of Western states, would you? If not, why do you agree with these words?

First of all, the thing you were trying to imply was proven wrong.

Now, you want to extrapolate and make it an issue of "spread of religion".
It is a different matter and brings us to tolerance.

Again, the context in verse was of war and previous oppression.
Even in the explanation, it is stated that "...something he was stopped from doing a year before by the disbelievers of Makkah".

So, to answer your question within the context of the verse you quoted, are Muslims oppressing non-Muslims in Western countries?

Why would non-Muslims drive out Muslims from Western countries if they are not causing hindrance in the way they follow their religion?

Your pretext was proven wrong, and all you are currently implying is that Muslims should be driven out of Western countries. Am I right?

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

First of all, the thing you were trying to imply was proven wrong.

Now, you want to extrapolate and make it an issue of "spread of religion".
It is a different matter and brings us to tolerance.

Again, the context in verse was of war and previous oppression.
Even in the explanation, it is stated that "...something he was stopped from doing a year before by the disbelievers of Makkah".

So, to answer your question within the context of the verse you quoted, are Muslims oppressing non-Muslims in Western countries?

Why would non-Muslims drive out Muslims from Western countries if they are not causing hindrance in the way they follow their religion?

Your pretext was proven wrong, and all you are currently implying is that Muslims should be driven out of Western countries. Am I right?

He wants to kick the ladder, fair and square.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

So the distinction is where it happened? You’re bending over backwards trying not to break the same logic you established

Yeah generally it's more offensive if they're physically there dancing and laughing while everyone else in New York screams and panics around them. Almost makes it look like they're involved.

 

[Score]

Honestly, the amount of posts of dead children I keep seeing everyday is shocking. I've never seen a conflict with so many brutally killed children like this before, especially in such a short space of time. Only malice can prompt someone to call these murders 'surgical' and 'precise'

 

[notAfanboy]

What thoughts? How would i do that in a single paragraph?

Start with the most disturbing one. Or the one you feel most confident about.

And i dont really care anyway, im 99% sure ive heard all the mental gymnastics you would throw at me before anyway, because i listened to islamic apologists and scholars for countless hours

Heard from who? Do you want to pass the opportunity to hear it directly from a Sunni Muslim?

 

[NikaInParis]

. Only malice can prompt someone to call these murders 'surgical' and 'precise'

They are - they're hitting their intended civilian targets every time

 

[Roo]

Yeah generally it's more offensive if they're physically there dancing and laughing while everyone else in New York screams and panics around them. Almost makes it look like they're involved.

So the Jews did 9/11?

jesus what kind of antisemitic shit are you on. First it was that the nazis replaced the Jews now this? 💀