It also doesnt favor an argument about a supernatural being
Created and creation both imply creator(s). My very first response on this tangent was that something doesn't come from nothing. You can't point to a rock formation and say "oh it just happened" when it took years of weather and shit. And there's a reason for that weather to do what it did and so on. I'm not saying humans have irrefutable knowledge but the onus is on proving something that doesn't follow the scheme that everything else does.
 
something doesn't come from nothing.
Based on? Are there experiments on nothing to see if anything can come from it?
Obviously no, because we cant grasp nothing. So this isnt based in anything and just personal incredulity.

Also everything spontaneously forming out of nothing isnt what scientists necessarily believe anyway. The universe could be eternal the same way theists make the case for the god of their choice.


Contrary to popular belief, the big bang isnt the beginning of the universe
 
My very first response on this tangent was that something doesn't come from nothing.
What if "something" was always there ? There is a theory called the Big Crunch that explains that the universe is bound to Expand and be crushed under its own mass (?) to revert back to the plank state and recreate a big bang again.
 
Really ? I'm unaware of this. Which theory cancelled it ?
I think it's the 2011 Nobel prize in physics.

"for the discovery of the accelerating expansion of the Universe through observations of distant supernovae"

If I'm not wrong, it cancels the Big Crunch theory. I may have misunderstood these theories though.
 
I think it's the 2011 Nobel prize in physics.

"for the discovery of the accelerating expansion of the Universe through observations of distant supernovae"

If I'm not wrong, it cancels the Big Crunch theory. I may have misunderstood these theories though.
Oh maybe. I thought they were compatible. But it make sence. Well neither of them is really fun when you think about it..
Its slow death VS paintfull death.
 
*especially* if we have casualties

Based on? Are there experiments on nothing to see if anything can come from it?
Obviously no, because we cant grasp nothing. So this isnt based in anything and just personal incredulity.

Also everything spontaneously forming out of nothing isnt what scientists necessarily believe anyway. The universe could be eternal the same way theists make the case for the god of their choice.


Contrary to popular belief, the big bang isnt the beginning of the universe
Got any good reads on the 15-30 billion years ago range?
 
13.8 billion years*

But no i dont. Its an estimate based on the expansion rate that mathias mentioned above.
I'm saying before the big bang, and one blurb I read from June just mentioned that it's possibly twice the age we know so I'm talking way out if we're going with "eternal" theories.

Where can I find the estimate on what was before the big bang?
 

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Don't think that going back as far as the big bang is needed to figure out that the existence of religion (such as Islam and Christianity) served a purpose for humans to adhere to when the majority of these people lived in a time far harsher than what our Gen Z mentality can cope with.

Conformity and adherence to the law (which may or may not tie in with certain religious principles) comes first in a society that focuses on trying to keep itself stable first. Freedoms and rights for individuals come secondary to that (including certain "privileges" :amazing: that we Westerners usually take for granted, although whether ways of life rooted in the Bible will come back to the US in full force or not remains to be seen).
 
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It does favor the argument that intelligence preceded creation,because everything in creation has a logic and why behind it.Nothing is random.
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anyone hear about this?
How is Sudan still at war?

At least I can understand israel because of the whole holy land thing.

but what’s so special about Sudan that people have been killing each other there for 20 years?
 
How is Sudan still at war?

At least I can understand israel because of the whole holy land thing.

but what’s so special about Sudan that people have been killing each other there for 20 years?
dunno,lots of ethnical wars in africa
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care to elaborate?prove a natural phenomena that is random?by random i mean no apparent cause.
 
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