And so the pope has decreed -- the church shall fall to sin.

Sad days for Roman Catholics.
The statement itself is not that bad. They have the right to accept and search for salvation. The Pope even stated that if they start to bring the abominations that some of those people ask for in liberal media they wll not be accepted.

So I don't see the issue, to be honest. Act as a proper Christian and don't try to abuse and brainwash kids and no one will care about your sexual orientation or gender identity.
 
It's not only pedophilia, but all their crimes throughout their history. Half (or maybe more) of the popes that have ever existed were perverted freaks and sometimes incestuous weirdos. Now that they have less political power things are relatively better than before but you still have rampant pedophilia which has been concealed by the church itself. Even Francis (who is supposed to be the nice liberal pope) has a history of covering for pedophiles.
The Catholic Church did the crusades and even sanctioned colonialism.
 
The Israeli strategy seems to be "close enough to the truth to call it true." I mean they circled the hospitals and bombarded from above to reach Hamas underground. When people come out and attack from the hospital that was being bombarded it becomes justification to attack within the hospital.

To me it sounds like stuff that would backfire on hostages but idk
 
So the Crusades in AL-Andalus were bad?Were the Iberians wrong for defending their land?
Nah, just presentism in action. People act as if people from the past had to follow the same morality as the ultra left from the US and judge and condemn based on that instead of trying to understand the people of that time and their morality. It's just good talking points after all.
 
Better have something like the Al-Andalus civilization in Europe than the Spanish Inquisition
Spanish Inquisition is overblown.Those death charts were propaganda the brits were spreading.
"García Cárcel estimates that the total number prosecuted by the Inquisition throughout its history was approximately 150,000; applying the percentages of executions that appeared in the trials of 1560–1700—about 2%—the approximate total would be about 3,000 put to death. Nevertheless, some authors consider that the toll may have been higher, keeping in mind the data provided by Dedieu and García Cárcel for the tribunals of Toledo and Valencia, respectively, and estimate between 3,000 and 5,000 were executed.[1] Other authors disagree and estimate a max death toll between 1% and 5%, (depending on the time span used) combining all the processes the inquisition carried, both religious and non-religious ones.[116][146] In either case, this is significantly lower than the number of people executed exclusively for witchcraft in other parts of Europe during about the same time span as the Spanish Inquisition (estimated at c. 40,000–60,000).[1]

Modern historians have begun to study the documentary records of the Inquisition. The archives of the Suprema, today held by the National Historical Archive of Spain (Archivo Histórico Nacional), conserves the annual relations of all processes between 1540 and 1700. This material provides information for approximately 44,674 judgments. These 44,674 cases include 826 executions in persona and 778 in effigie (i.e. an effigy was burned). This material is far from being complete—for example, the tribunal of Cuenca is entirely omitted, because no relaciones de causas from this tribunal have been found, and significant gaps concern some other tribunals (e.g., Valladolid). Many more cases not reported to the Suprema are known from the other sources (i.e., no relaciones de causas from Cuenca have been found, but its original records have been preserved), but were not included in Contreras-Henningsen's statistics for the methodological reasons.[147] William Monter estimates 1000 executions between 1530 and 1630 and 250 between 1630 and 1730.[148]

The archives of the Suprema only provide information about processes prior to 1560. To study the processes themselves, it is necessary to examine the archives of the local tribunals, the majority of which have been lost to the devastation of war, the ravages of time or other events. Some archives have survived including those of Toledo, where 12,000 were judged for offences related to heresy, mainly minor "blasphemy", and those of Valencia.[149][150] These indicate that the Inquisition was most active in the period between 1480 and 1530 and that during this period the percentage condemned to death was much more significant than in the years that followed. Modern estimates show approximately 2,000 executions in persona in the whole of Spain up to 1530.[151]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#Outcomes

Nah, just presentism in action. People act as if people from the past had to follow the same morality as the ultra left from the US and judge and condemn based on that instead of trying to understand the people of that time and their morality. It's just good talking points after all.
Exactly,these dumb motherfuckers don't know history.Muslims started invading Christian lands all over the place.The crusades were a response to muslim aggression.
 
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Better have something like the Al-Andalus civilization in Europe than the Spanish Inquisition
There's not much difference to be honest. As we know, based on the effects of Cordoba teachings, trying to convert to christian hood and denounce Muslim teachings were punished by death in a similar way. If we are going to just use talking points and ignore context just the land-tax was a form of oppression as well as the distinctions between muslims and musalina.
 
There's not much difference to be honest. As we know, based on the effects of Cordoba teachings, trying to convert to christian hood and denounce Muslim teachings were punished by death in a similar way. If we are going to just use talking points and ignore context just the land-tax was a form of oppression as well as the distinctions between muslims and musalina.
The Inquisition happened due to Iberia being seeing in the rest of Europe as too "oriental" because of the centuries of Muslim occupation to begin with.It was an attempt to improve their image.
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The Inquisition happened due to Iberia being seeing in the rest of Europe as too "oriental" because of the centuries of Muslim occupation to begin with.It was an attempt to improve their image.
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Então, só para deixar minha opinião aqui porque olhando meu post pode parecer que eu sou contra as ações de Al-Andalus.

Sendo 100% honesto, eu acho que o que os muslim fizeram (no contexto da época) foi uma das melhores ideias para a convivência pacifica entre os grupos e a integração entre os povos de forma natural e sem o uso de violência. Não tenho duvida de que muitas familias atualmente muslims vem de grupos que decidiram se converter para pagar menos impostos. Considerando como a Europa e Asia tratava diferentes grupos foi uma ideia genial. Novamente, levando em consideração os ideais e moral daqueles tempos.
 
Então, só para deixar minha opinião aqui porque olhando meu post pode parecer que eu sou contra as ações de Al-Andalus.

Sendo 100% honesto, eu acho que o que os muslim fizeram (no contexto da época) foi uma das melhores ideias para a convivência pacifica entre os grupos e a integração entre os povos de forma natural e sem o uso de violência. Não tenho duvida de que muitas familias atualmente muslims vem de grupos que decidiram se converter para pagar menos impostos. Considerando como a Europa e Asia tratava diferentes grupos foi uma ideia genial. Novamente, levando em consideração os ideais e moral daqueles tempos.
Ainda sim eram cidadões de segunda classe na própria terra.Condeno a invasão Islâmica.
 
Hey, stop talking Portuguese to avoid a ban, lol.

Man up !

First,fuck you for saying those people deserved to live as second class citizens.
Sounds like you're bad at historical context.

Citizen is a modern construction. And in fact they weren't second class citizens.

Exactly,these dumb motherfuckers don't know history.Muslims started invading Christian lands all over the place.The crusades were a response to muslim aggression.
Europe didn't even know they existed as Christians before the 11th century.

Oh yeah I'mma lose an hour watching the catholic talk show.
 
The statement itself is not that bad. They have the right to accept and search for salvation. The Pope even stated that if they start to bring the abominations that some of those people ask for in liberal media they wll not be accepted.
Sounds like conversion therapy :zorothink:

The EU operates as a unit in the international stage more often than not.
Don't get fooled. There is no such thing as the United States of Europe and it will never happen I our lifetime
 
Hey, stop talking Portuguese to avoid a ban, lol.

Man up !


Sounds like you're bad at historical context.

Citizen is a modern construction. And in fact they weren't second class citizens.



Europe didn't even know they existed as Christians before the 11th century.



Oh yeah I'mma lose an hour watching the catholic talk show.
I see you are not arguing in good faith.If you support what the Muslims did in the past,then don't cry about Israel doing the same.Hypocrite.
 
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