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Scum is evil? Town is righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history. Players who have never seen peace and players who have never seen Ly/Lo have different values. Those who stand at the top determine what’s right! This very place is neutral ground! “Justice will prevail you say?” But of course it will! Whoever wins this game becomes justice!
 
Scum is evil? Town is righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history. Players who have never seen peace and players who have never seen Ly/Lo have different values. Those who stand at the top determine what’s right! This very place is neutral ground! “Justice will prevail you say?” But of course it will! Whoever wins this game becomes justice!
youre capable of coming up with this but not a case huh
 
We have 3 mafia left. I think we would have lost even playing perfectly had Cake lived so thank god she died

Luka, Melkor

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How do you think I have equity with either Red or Orange? I was scum reading both Cake and Jesse, for starters.

I would look on people defending Cake and Jesse yesterday, I will see if I have time to check this.

Also I checked with my ability tonight that @Kiku indeed has a killing ability. Which propably clears her since as mafia member she would propably just use faction kill...
 
How do you think I have equity with either Red or Orange? I was scum reading both Cake and Jesse, for starters.

I would look on people defending Cake and Jesse yesterday, I will see if I have time to check this.

Also I checked with my ability tonight that @Kiku indeed has a killing ability. Which propably clears her since as mafia member she would propably just use faction kill...
For starters scum can distance lol. And bus.

Tell me who is scum then? Solve the game for me Melk
 
You are scum for a lack of contribution/genuine solving Melkor lol. And your reads & PoE has been horribly off almost all the time.

I expect Town Melkor to look more genuine and serious in his solving. You’re flat
 
Before we jump on this, I want to explain that this is a catch-22.

Why?

If Luka is scum and this message is from Town:
1. Whoever did this should have been far more careful delivering a message. It's too similar to the earlier frame message - the ominous end note creates suspicion and only further hurts town consensus later on if the direction changes.
For example, if Town decides to prioritize another scumread for XYZ reasons dus to mech, some other town will be deadset on a Luka lynch today. Which is not a bad thing! But it decreases flexibility.

2. Scumka would not be shaking in his boots with this. You're essentially giving him a starting point where he can easily find a way to lynch someone else and take advantage of the noise. He still has a mate that might be cemented in the thread and widely town read which makes a pre-planned lynch difficult, especially if the mate has major town credibility.

3. Several questions that can't easily be answered: What purpose does this really even serve? Why did someone send a message like this to begin with? What is the reason for it being so vague?

4. The upside to this it makes me think this ability is night only. We can narrow down some things with it and figure out more mech. Thanks, I think.

5. It may imply there's mech info on Luka that damns him.


The flip side if he's scum:

1. The previous (assuming I am correct about his play) frame message with Luka makes me think this is a message from scum, not town.
This is similar from earlier. The other message put Luka's trademark in there and ended on a strange note for Charlie, hinting at his brutal demise.

This is primarily due to the fact most Town (I hope) would rarely send ominous messages like these - they hold little value. It banks on Luka and scum reacting out of panic trying to divert the lynch. We do not know what lies ahead.

This is a weak tactic to play as Town; a strong tactic to play as Scum.


2. I imagine most town would simply share relevant mechanical information.
If the message came from Town, this is not usual Townplay. If it was, there would be more elements to it like elaborating on Luka's position. It's just a vague message that doesn't give any real input. Why is it there? Do we think Scumka would really be shaking in his boots?

3. Back to mechanical results: Destructive and deflective abilities can take care of him if there's major suspicion placed on his slot. There's no point using a message like this - I'd wager many people are placing harmful actions on him this phase regardless, some perhaps even bypassing any sort of protection he might have.

4. This in some sense is supposed to be read as a way to reaffirm our position on his slot being scum. Tonally, there's a lot wrong with this and hints at a manipulative way to gain ground.


5. Jesse was lynched yesterday. This means their numbers are incredibly low. From a scum POV, they need to find a way to gain advantage over the narrative. This points toward a potential motive.

Out of everyone, Luka had gathered an incredible amount of suspicion even with players that originally read him as town. If he somehow has protective abilities or scum used redirects on harmful actions toward him from town players, another dilemma has occured here.

BASICALLY
I'm mostly hung up on the ominous tone and the previous message to frame.

I think Luka wouldn't go for a "I'm not dumb" excuse to skate on through as scum. He's more experienced than that.

But traditionally speaking, he reads as scum and there's been a few ruh roh moments. A lot of dichotomy.

It may just be a scum message toward the red team from Cake, however.
I think whoever sent this message tonight should obviously claim at this stage.
 
My own ability gave me the item
I claimed it since Im clearly going to die today

I did not create it
Each night I get an item
I dont have any other targets in mind
red night was becuase i accused them
the name of the ability is ethereal vault
anything else?
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you know what would also persist? a case
did you have any other targets in mind,
If you tackled it head on, I probably still wouldn't believe you but you made a choice to avoid the Sun sized elephant in the room
 
If you tackled it head on, I probably still wouldn't believe you but you made a choice to avoid the Sun sized elephant in the room
oh i misread thea post
by targets for the faction kill lord melkor ofc
thats it tho. it was between them for me and rn was doing nothing while melkor at least decided to do smtn that day
 
oh i misread thea post
by targets for the faction kill lord melkor ofc
thats it tho. it was between them for me and rn was doing nothing while melkor at least decided to do smtn that day
oh also at start of night I was on baki for some reason
mostly because i was confusing it with lycanthrope from botc
before realizing I was dumb
 
You are scum for a lack of contribution/genuine solving Melkor lol. And your reads & PoE has been horribly off almost all the time.

I expect Town Melkor to look more genuine and serious in his solving. You’re flat
I admit this is not my greatest game, I will see what I can do this phase before I go to sleep.

What would you say is priority after catching up the following 10 pages, propably isoing either Cake or Jesse?
 
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