Controversial General Political Discussion

[Mathias]

It’s fun to change names but a mess in my head when I have to remember who is who

 

[Zenos7]

remember what you told me back then too:

Lmao, imagine wanting to be violent with someone over (online) arguments.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Spanish Inquisition is overblown.Those death charts were propaganda the brits were spreading.
"García Cárcel estimates that the total number prosecuted by the Inquisition throughout its history was approximately 150,000; applying the percentages of executions that appeared in the trials of 1560–1700—about 2%—the approximate total would be about 3,000 put to death. Nevertheless, some authors consider that the toll may have been higher, keeping in mind the data provided by Dedieu and García Cárcel for the tribunals of Toledo and Valencia, respectively, and estimate between 3,000 and 5,000 were executed.[1] Other authors disagree and estimate a max death toll between 1% and 5%, (depending on the time span used) combining all the processes the inquisition carried, both religious and non-religious ones.[116][146] In either case, this is significantly lower than the number of people executed exclusively for witchcraft in other parts of Europe during about the same time span as the Spanish Inquisition (estimated at c. 40,000–60,000).[1]

Modern historians have begun to study the documentary records of the Inquisition. The archives of the Suprema, today held by the National Historical Archive of Spain (Archivo Histórico Nacional), conserves the annual relations of all processes between 1540 and 1700. This material provides information for approximately 44,674 judgments. These 44,674 cases include 826 executions in persona and 778 in effigie (i.e. an effigy was burned). This material is far from being complete—for example, the tribunal of Cuenca is entirely omitted, because no relaciones de causas from this tribunal have been found, and significant gaps concern some other tribunals (e.g., Valladolid). Many more cases not reported to the Suprema are known from the other sources (i.e., no relaciones de causas from Cuenca have been found, but its original records have been preserved), but were not included in Contreras-Henningsen's statistics for the methodological reasons.[147] William Monter estimates 1000 executions between 1530 and 1630 and 250 between 1630 and 1730.[148]

The archives of the Suprema only provide information about processes prior to 1560. To study the processes themselves, it is necessary to examine the archives of the local tribunals, the majority of which have been lost to the devastation of war, the ravages of time or other events. Some archives have survived including those of Toledo, where 12,000 were judged for offences related to heresy, mainly minor "blasphemy", and those of Valencia.[149][150] These indicate that the Inquisition was most active in the period between 1480 and 1530 and that during this period the percentage condemned to death was much more significant than in the years that followed. Modern estimates show approximately 2,000 executions in persona in the whole of Spain up to 1530.[151]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#Outcomes


Exactly,these dumb motherfuckers don't know history.Muslims started invading Christian lands all over the place.The crusades were a response to muslim aggression.

chill out

 

[NAMELESS]

I told you to chill out because you were throwing a tantrum over fiction(Oda's work).That guy said some bullshit over the reconquista that if taken to the context of Israel-Palestine would justify Israel.we were debating serious stuff and not anime.
@Fn Lucci

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

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Classic nameless 🤡

 

[NAMELESS]

Lmao, imagine wanting to be violent with someone over (online) arguments.

yeah,its the same dude that posts bunny pics here.Shameless hypocrisy.

 

[Fn Lucci]

I told you to chill out because you were throwing a tantrum over fiction(Oda's work).That guy said some bullshit over the reconquista that if taken to the context of Israel-Palestine would justify Israel.we were debating serious stuff and not anime.
@Fn Lucci

I clearly wouldn't be on an OP forum if Oda's work caused me tantrums. But I strongly object to comparing thousands of real civilians being killed to a cartoon fight between opposing armies.

Not really a perspective disagreement for a real life event that none of our great great grandparents were even alive to witness. "First of all fuck you." Like lol okay Tupac.

 

[NAMELESS]

I clearly wouldn't be on an OP forum if Oda's work caused me tantrums. But I strongly object to comparing thousands of real civilians being killed to a cartoon fight between opposing armies.

Not really a perspective disagreement for a real life event that none of our great great grandparents were even alive to witness. "First of all fuck you." Like lol okay Tupac.

Yeah,that insult isn't like me,but since some people get away with it here.I felt the need to post that to a bad faith argument.

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Classic nameless 🤡

classic loli 🤡

 

[Okamakama]

We must unite these two for the greater good. Quick, say something that'll set Logiko off...

 

[Mathias]

I'm sure that the Spanish Inquisition isn't as bad as it was thought during the 19th century.

But it's still pretty fucking bad nonetheless.

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We must unite these two for the greater good. Quick, say something that'll set Logiko off...

Women didn't exist during the Spanish Inquisition

 

[Okamakama]

The statement itself is not that bad. They have the right to accept and search for salvation. The Pope even stated that if they start to bring the abominations that some of those people ask for in liberal media they wll not be accepted.

So I don't see the issue, to be honest. Act as a proper Christian and don't try to abuse and brainwash kids and no one will care about your sexual orientation or gender identity.

I get it, but I feel like appealing to everyone is only diluting the values of the church (but I haven't got much skin in the game as I am not Catholic). My concerns is that nobody asks Muslims to update their values for modernity. Nobody asks any other religion for these changes except Christianity... and now they're bending the knee.

 

[NAMELESS]

I get it, but I feel like appealing to everyone is only diluting the values of the church (but I haven't got much skin in the game as I am not Catholic). My concerns is that nobody asks Muslims to update their values for modernity. Nobody asks any other religion for these changes except Christianity... and now they're bending the knee.

We are not,this storm will pass.Francis is just another bad Pope.We had many of those.

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We must unite these two for the greater good. Quick, say something that'll set Logiko off...

who?

 

[Okamakama]

who?

You and Solis, my friend.

 

[NAMELESS]

You and Solis, my friend.

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

What's the current topic?

 

[Daniel]

What's the current topic?

You want me to go find one?

Vice probably makes good videos about certain global issues that can be discussed :hmm

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

You want me to go find one?

Vice probably makes good videos about certain global issues that can be discussed :hmm

Anything is good

 

[Daniel]

Here's a simple one.
Link: https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/15/us/jonathan-lewis-vegas-student-murder-charges/index.html

Eight juveniles are facing murder charges in the “senseless” beating death of a 17-year-old Las Vegas high school student that was caught on video, police say.

Jonathan Lewis died after being beaten when a fight broke out over a pair of stolen wireless headphones and possibly over a stolen marijuana vape pen, according to a police spokesperson.

The beating happened November 1 in an alley near the Rancho High School campus after school let out, Las Vegas police Lt. Jason Johansson said in a news conference Tuesday. Events in the alley were captured in a video that has been widely shared on social media. “What you see in the video is approximately 10 subjects kicking, stomping and punching our victim, Jonathan, as he is on the ground not defending himself, to the point that he becomes unconscious,” Johansson said.

“The video is very graphic and, in my opinion, is very void of humanity.”

Eight juveniles – whose names have not been released – were taken into custody and “will be charged with the crime of murder,” said Undersheriff Andrew Walsh.

The suspects range in age from 13 to 17 and are students at Rancho High School.

Half the teens arrested will be tried as adults, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported.
Those four cases were automatically transferred to adult criminal court because the defendants are 16 or 17, the newspaper reported.

The remaining defendants, between 13 and 15, will face certification hearings in family court, where a judge will determine if they also will be tried as adults, according to the Review-Journal.

CNN has reached out to the Clark County District Attorney’s Office for comment.

He was ‘a hero’
Jonathan “was a loving, kind, and protective young man who cared deeply about his friends and family,” the teen’s father told CNN. “(He) was a hero who was trying to help one of his smaller friends who was being bullied and had something stolen from him and he tried to intervene,” Jonathan Lewis Sr. said in a statement.
Jonathan died six days after the beating, according to his father. An autopsy determined that the cause of his death was blunt force trauma, police said.

The entire school district ”grieves the loss of every student,” Clark County School District said in a statement.

“While we cannot provide additional information, as this is an active police investigation, please know that District leadership and School Police are working with the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department and the District Attorney’s office so those involved are held accountable for their actions.”

Jonathan’s parents have started a foundation in honor of their son, according to the Team Jonathan website.
Jonathan’s mom came up with the name Team Jonathan while we talked about starting a foundation for our son in the hospital,” a statement on the website reads.

“After holding my son’s hand in the hospital while on life support for two days and nights and watching his life leave his body and being shocked by the immensity and horror of my beloved boy just being beaten to death, I felt a mission to act that moved me to my core,” the statement said.

Investigators say they are looking for more people who appear in the video of the beating. “If you or your child or somebody you know has seen that video and recognizes anybody that may have been a participant in this senseless crime, you need to get ahold of us and our homicide section,” Walsh said.

Tl;dr?

• Jonathan Lewis, a 17-year-old high school student, died after getting kicked the crap out of him in Las Vegas.
• Eight juveniles, aged 13 to 17, face murder charges for the attack.
• Fight happened in an alley near Rancho High School over stolen headphones and a marijuana vape pen (as if minors as young as 13 should even be allowed to touch a vape pen :()
• The beating was captured on video, showing 10 individuals assaulting Jonathan until he lost consciousness.
• Four of the accused, aged 16 or 17, will be tried as adults; their cases automatically transferred to adult criminal court.
• The remaining defendants, aged 13 to 15, will undergo certification hearings to determine whether they will be tried as adults.
• His father stated that Jonathan intervened to help a smaller friend who was being bullied and had something stolen.
• Jonathan passed away six days after the beating due to blunt force trauma.
• The Clark County School District expressed grief and collaboration with law enforcement.
• Jonathan's parents initiated a foundation in his honor.
• Authorities are seeking more information on individuals seen in the video, urging the public to come forward with any details.

Somehow i'm suspecting if the races were reversed there would be a national outrage..

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Here's a simple one.
Link: https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/15/us/jonathan-lewis-vegas-student-murder-charges/index.html

Tl;dr?

• Jonathan Lewis, a 17-year-old high school student, died after getting kicked the crap out of him in Las Vegas.
• Eight juveniles, aged 13 to 17, face murder charges for the attack.
• Fight happened in an alley near Rancho High School over stolen headphones and a marijuana vape pen (as if minors as young as 13 should even be allowed to touch a vape pen :()
• The beating was captured on video, showing 10 individuals assaulting Jonathan until he lost consciousness.
• Four of the accused, aged 16 or 17, will be tried as adults; their cases automatically transferred to adult criminal court.
• The remaining defendants, aged 13 to 15, will undergo certification hearings to determine whether they will be tried as adults.
• His father stated that Jonathan intervened to help a smaller friend who was being bullied and had something stolen.
• Jonathan passed away six days after the beating due to blunt force trauma.
• The Clark County School District expressed grief and collaboration with law enforcement.
• Jonathan's parents initiated a foundation in his honor.
• Authorities are seeking more information on individuals seen in the video, urging the public to come forward with any details.

Somehow i'm suspecting if the races were reversed there would be a national outrage..

surprised no guns were involved

 

[Daniel]

surprised no guns were involved

Guns (and other weapons) usually aren't involved if the offenders aren't purposefully willing to take a life over something (other than the perpetrators being students no less).

This could be a case of kids beating the hell out of a kid with the unfortunate consequence of the victim actually dying instead of the usual broken bones and "mma injuries" (euphemism for injuries sustained when you get beat up by someone)